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Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
Kinda wish I read the book after watching the show instead of before. Some of the changes they make in the first 4 episodes are strange. Otherwise show is good, kinda wished some real company would've picked it up instead of a cable TV channel. You can really tell its made for TV.

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Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
One of the changes I really don't like so far is the mis-characterization and almost sidelining of Miller. In the book he's almost a dark storm cloud wherever he goes but in this he's like goofy. Plus it seems like they're almost completely ignoring Miller altogether in favor of the golden child Holden I guess.

I think they should've scrapped the book 2 Earth stuff and given Miller his actual role as a main character.

I'm super Salty though about one line. When he talks to that dad near the train station he says "nah no kids, missed that boat" ugh so boring. In the books he says (he's 2 1/2 years old) "I got a divorce about that age" which is an awesome line

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
Maybe I don't have a good opinion about Miller because he's had like 10 minutes of screen time across 4 episodes. Maybe the rest of the show gets it better but so far I feel like Miller has been sidelined. Also mental image aside, Miller is literally pointed out and laughed at as an alcoholic washout. I don't get boozed out loser from show Miller but Thomas Jane is killin it regardless

I feel like they've hit everything that Holden and co. have done so far but they've missed a lot of what Miller has been doing.

Phi230 fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Jun 22, 2016

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
I mean I'm enjoying what I'm watching. Its not like I'm angry that they're ruining the adaptation so much as I feel like they're missing opportunities. Like the line I referenced.

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
So I made it to Episode 8, Adam Jensen's character is cool. Amos being a loose cannon doesn't fit him in the book but I can see how since they haven't met Miller yet he's gotta fill that internal conflict role that Miller did post-Eros.

I also assume that Ep. 8 is gonna be the Eros shitshow, which I hope they don't gently caress up (they haven't been loving up very much so here's to optimism). I understand that its on TV and not like HBO/Showtime/whatever and they can't do R rated stuff (But somehow AMC can?) but they did blow Shed's head off and have the blood sphere so who knows. Maybe we'll see headless torsos crawling around and vomit zombies maybe we'll see more blue fireflies and a nondescript sphere of blue.

I kinda wish Miller would start hallucinating Julie already, but I guess its too late.

Also kinda don't like how they're making Fred some shady enemy guy. I also don't like how they made the OPA generic bad guys.


I also got a little confused on how they accelerated Holden's storyline to find the Anubis on the asteroid, without Miller.

I'll be exceptionally disappointed if they don't pull the "Mars/Earth is uninvolved, it was evil Protogen all along" twist in lieu of "Oh Mars is just the bad guy"

Phi230 fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Jun 23, 2016

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
I'm really surprised they showed Julie in the bathtub as described in the book. I was sure they were gonna handle the Protomolecule completely different.

Phi230 fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Jun 23, 2016

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
The casting is p. much perfect except the literal whitewashing of Ade.

Alex putting on the MCRN uniform and being unable to zip it because of his pot belly is 10/10

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Tree Dude posted:

I think they can wrap LW up in like 4 episodes and have that midseason shocker that GoT is making popular.

Yea I can see that. Book 2 begins on episode 5

when does season 2 air btw?

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
Yeah the casinos were more pronounced. Like to get anywhere on Eros you had to go through what essentially were 3 casino floors like out of lovely Atlantic city casino

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
my bones are of average density

suck it belters


belters dont drink milk, no calcium, no strong bones

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Zsinjeh posted:

Came to post this. Egg shells used to be the classic thing way back in the old days (at least here in the Nordics) when you brewed coffee in your pot over a fireplace/stove. Since you only had that one pot with you out camping/the fields you added egg shells from the hardboiled eggs you made before and it would bind the ground coffee to the bottom of the pot and make it easier to pour in a cup without adding coffee grounds (plus less bitter). Also it totally sounds like something a Belter would do (if they had space eggs available :v:)

So glad I started reading this thread with a chemex brewed cup already in my hand, with an obligatory hard bread and liver paste

There's no reason belter's wouldn't have eggs or livestock

I know Air and Water are at a premium, but food wise just feed them the recycled dead like they do with everyone else. Belter beef would be pretty bad I would imagine though, very low muscle on those cows.

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Vanderdeath posted:

Space Turtle is as smart as he is deadly. We should all aspire to be part of his murderous entourage.

How is he space turtle? He is competent and successful with women.

He is more like space Billy Walsh/Drama hybrid

Alex serves more as a space Turtle, space Vince obviously is Jim, Naomi is space E.

Miller is space Ari

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Baronjutter posted:

Yeah, realistically not only would ever single ship in the system be real time tracked by several countries/agencies at all times, but nearly every asteroid or space rock or bit of debris from a mining accident would all be tagged and tracked automatically. A lot of those wouldn't need constant real time monitoring, but their projected orbit would be recorded and depending on where the object is heading it would get different levels of monitoring.

If you went onto an abandoned space station and found a big cargo container you wanted to steal and pushed it by hand out an airlock, someone would know about it. Someone would know about it because you logged your flight plan with some authority. If you didn't, various agencies would pick up your flight and there would be 100 long range telescopes watching your every move. They'd see you board the station, they'd see you open the airlock, they'd see you push the container out and track it. If you picked it up they'd pick you up on some sort of illegal looting charge. If someone else came by later to pick it up, they'd get them too.

The only place anything secret or criminal could go down is inside the space stations. Ships dock, people get out, who knows what happens inside. But in space everyone knows what everyone and every rock is doing.

Actually if the Space Station was properly abandoned, with the owner of both the station AND the property inside the station either cannot reasonably be determined or have intentionally abandoned said station and property, then even under normal property law the finder of said cargo container can claim ownership.

Not sure about maritime law, but I'm sure space falls under international waters thus abandoned property at sea would fall under salvage laws and be completely legitimate to take.

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Phanatic posted:

That is not how salvage laws work. Salvage law encodes the notion that if you recover lost property, you are entitled to a reward commensurate with its value and your level of risk, *not* that you can just take it and it becomes yours.

http://www.sailfeed.com/2013/07/salvage-law-do-you-get-to-keep-an-abandoned-boat/


If the factors determining reward weight sufficiently towards the salvor, then the reward might equal the value of the property, in which case the owner can say "Just keep the property you saved." But if a boat in a storm starts taking water and the crew abandons ship and the boat just floats up and runs aground on the beach, you don't get to just walk up to the boat and claim it as yours.

ah you say lost property now but in the original hypo you said abandoned

huge legal difference between lost and abandoned

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Phanatic posted:

There is, but the only relevance that has for salvage is if you're a crew on the vessel in the first place. If your ship breaks and you abandon it without permission, then *you* can't benefit from salvaging the ship and cargo that you abandoned. If the ship's master gives an abandon ship order, then you subsequently can get paid if you salvage it.

That's it. There's no circumstance where salvaging a ship or cargo just means you get to keep it for yourself.

ok so I feel the relevant fact here is going into an abandoned space station,

does the interior of a space station continue to fall under maritime law? Or does it count as "land" under the jurisdiction of whatever sovereign entity that owns it? If so, then you can keep the cargo container in question after following any relevant procedure of the jurisdiction the abandoned property falls in.

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Baronjutter posted:

I'm running a loving pen and paper scify game with some nerds and a lot of the plot is around this as they own a salvage and repair ship. Contract law and salvage law comes up a lot.
Also running a hard scify rpg is hard as hell.

Traveller or what?

Also Post v. Jones (60 U.S. 150) has much relevance in the world of the joining of Contract and Salvage law

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
And I'm arguing from a Watsonian perspective here, so based on ALex's statement of "its legitimate salvage" and from the amount of activity in space in The Expanse we can assume there is a good body of common law based around space operations or a treaty may have just established space as maritime law

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Phanatic posted:

Right now, today? No. It falls under the Outer Space Treaty and that space station is the property of whatever country's registry it was on when it was launched and you can't do poo poo to it without that country's permission.

If it fell under maritime law, and you recovered it after some risk to yourself you'd be entitled to a reward. You wouldn't be entitled to the space station.

I'm talking cargo essentially converted from the space station.

And yeah, from a Watsonian perspective, there is an assumption the law has changed as of The Expanse

I feel that if the owner of the space station was impossible to find, IE the station was "mislaid" then I feel you could enforce a claim of title until the true owner revealed himself

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
i hate how Fred and Jim are made to be enemies when Fred is chillman in the first book at least

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
Is that sequence the end of book 1?

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Atarask posted:

Well that explains the whole Canton. They must have kept rolling 1s and the whole initial campaign got derailed for a bit.

Miller's that rear end in a top hat who keeps trying to split the party

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Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

NmareBfly posted:

The healer was played by someone who got a job in another city and had to ditch the group like three weeks into the campaign.

One of the biggest additions in the show compared to the books is that the books the main party gels a lot faster in a way that doesn't feel as believable. It's more obvious that it's just a bunch of people who sat down at a table together, and in the show they add some extra tribulations before trust is gained.

Its because the main party, sans Johnson or Miller, have already spent years with each other on the Cant

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