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Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

Welcome to Auspol December.

Image by MaliciousOnion.




Last Month:
Negligent trolled some people.
Turnbull assigned Noted Child Torture Engineer Scott Morrison to the position of treasurer, this set off the LNP far right wing to denounce Morrison as their lord and savior and decided a potato was more right wing and deserving of their worship.
Wyatt Roy drew the short straw and is the current LNP scapegoat.
Boats were towed back to indonesia, Australia smuggled people onto shore, we were eventually told about this.
The NBN got more expensive and fell further behind.
The offshore detention centres were partly burned down in a riot, the media portrayed this as uppity browns being insolent. The riot was quelled with force.
Tony Abbott said some stupid poo poo to europeans and the cameras recorded it instead of ignoring him, he came home and sat on the backbench.
Blop Spitstorm's ratings dropped further, leadership speculation. yawn.
Bench Stacking
Racist bogan with a face tattoo claimed he wasnt racist and had a buddy from bangladesh he called Bangladesh.
Fiona Patten tabled a bill to exclude protests from 150m of a sexual health clinic and the Victorian parliament passed it. Religious placard carriers were told to move.
Boomers Raged, Bolt reported, Clive claimed responsibility for rolling Abbott.
Scott Ludlum played D&D at PAX
PARIS
SYRIA
Russian plane shot down, Bill shorten makes a face like a puckered rear end in a top hat, Turnbull winces.
Discussion about speed limits
More but this list is getting long.




Whos in politics?

The Australian Greens
Placed first since almost everyone who regularly posts in this thread is a member. The Greens are a left wing party of hippies who have unreasonable and impractical policy ideas and an infantile fascination with fairness and decency. They stubbornly refuse to give up and accept that the only way to make real change in the world is to roll over and accept neoliberal rule.


The Australian Labor Party
The ineffective and incompetent right wing opposition party led by an empty suit. Subject to numerous attempts at "change from within" that would be laughable if they weren't so sad. As an ineffective alternative to the government it has meekly agreed with almost everything the government wants to do that involves the brutal treatment and dehumanisation of refugees.


The Australian Liberal Party
The Liberal Party stands for just about every wrong headed thing you can think of. As a result they are wildly popular among both the rich shithead and poor shithead demographics. Sadly these are large demographics in Australia. They have recently been reaching out to the Fascist demographic as well. Their only saving grace is that they are so incompetent that they can't do so much as sneeze without making GBS threads themselves publicly.


Palmer United Party
A comedy party led by Mining magnate Clive Palmer who is the only person who rightly treats public office like the media circus it is. He bids outgoing members goodbye and rehashes popular dance songs into campaign jingles while dressing in fursuits.


The National Party
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The Australian Sex Party
Like the Greens but with human policies put above environmental ones the ASP is led by Fiona Patten and would like to see drugs legalised, abortion legalised, reduced religious influence in politics and a bunch of other touchy feely stuff. Unf.


Katters Australia Party
A more functional National party resident in Queensland led by Bob Katter, a ten gallon hat wearing homophobe.


There is an irc channel, #auspol on synirc where Australians discuss things, presumably dark spooky things that man was not meant to know.

IRC Rules: Dont be a shithead, dont say racist, sexist, or nasty things. Dont discuss verboten topics.

bumpunisher69

Heres a link to a past thread with more info in it. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3739446

Now on with the show.


Negative Entropy fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Dec 1, 2015

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Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

MysticalMachineGun posted:

Isn't Kommando a member or former member of the Sex Party?

..ye--esss?

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009


Merry Christmas Island. a classic.

I've noticed that it's inside, not outside, someone's house.


we all knew this as gen x and Ys, we're never getting a pension. Age of entitlement and all that.

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

oh derp. who has a house number inside?

:hurr:

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

thatbastardken posted:

who bought the loving banner ad you fucker I hate you.



werent we talking about this at goonmeet? maybe it was ket

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

Au Revoir Shosanna posted:

Good morning Auspol!

A Letter Signed by 600 Detainees on Manus Island Pleads for Their Assisted Suicide

http://www.vice.com/read/a-letter-signed-by-600-detainees-on-manus-island-is-pleading-for-their-assisted-suicide

ah cripes.

:cripes:

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

it's called compromise.

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

then direct complaints to your greens member.

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

Au Revoir Shosanna posted:

Good morning Auspol!

A Letter Signed by 600 Detainees on Manus Island Pleads for Their Assisted Suicide

http://www.vice.com/read/a-letter-signed-by-600-detainees-on-manus-island-is-pleading-for-their-assisted-suicide

first response when I shared this to fb

David posted:

FFS Drew. They went past 20 other countries before stopping here. Australia has EVERY right to establish their identity and actual status before making a decision on their applications and if they would stop destroying their paperwork before they arrive it would go much faster for them. They can ask to go elsewhere at any time they like. They are not being illegally detained. Get off your effing high horse.

outside the echo chamber of the thread this is what your average Australian believes.

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

some more good news today

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-03/same-sex-couples-civil-partnership-recognition-restored-qld/6999708

quote:

Same-sex couples' civil partnerships to again be recognised in Queensland

Same-sex couples in Queensland will again be allowed to hold a state-sanctioned ceremony to celebrate a civil partnership.

Queensland Parliament has restored laws that were unpicked by the former LNP government, which only allowed the registering of partnerships.

About half of the LNP's members voted with Labor to pass the laws after they were allowed to cast a conscience vote on the issue.

Former attorney-general Jarrod Bleijie, who drafted the Newman government changes, was among those who supported the bill.

Attorney-General Yvette D'Ath told Parliament it was the third time the issue had been voted on in recent years.

"Let's hope this is the last time we have to have this debate in Queensland Parliament," she said.

"Let's also hope these laws are here to stay. Whether this is about changes in the laws or whether members are responding to shifts in public attitudes, perhaps today can be the line in the sand that demonstrates that Queensland has finally moved forward."

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk told Parliament the changes would have a positive effective on younger lesbian, gay and bisexual people who had been struggling with their sexuality.

"By reinstating these ceremonies we reinforce the message that these are healthy and loving relationships," Ms Palaszczuk said.

"We reinforce acceptance and tolerance."

Katter's Australian Party MPs did not support the move, arguing marriage is between a man and a woman.

"We see civil unions as a stepping stone to marriage. Many people would see it as the next step," Mt Isa MP Robbie Katter said.


Rolling back the Newman years.

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

EXAKT Science posted:

Wait, y'all don't have gay marriage yet?

No. surprisingly America beat us to that.

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

I support Greenpeace but this instance, 25 tons of australian nuclear waste which had to be shipped to France for processing is coming home, its our responsibility and we're doing the right thing. Its uneconomical to process it here as we lack the infrastructure, throughput, expertise and political will to process nuclear waste. We need Lucas Heights to make radiolochemicals for medical needs, breast screenings and x-rays, Cancer treatments, gamma sterilisation of medical instruments and various other uses that are not nuclear medicine.
And I absolutely understand the need for security on this, its a potential catastrophe in risk level should something drastic happen to the container as its transported to Lucas Heights. In the past Anti-GM activists broke into GM test farms and wrecked the experiments spreading the GM crops far and wide. Imagine if that happened here, some well meaning protesters sabotaged the convoy and ended up spreading the material and contaminating some sydney suburbs. Thats why this is done with a level of secrecy.

We're being responsible for the waste produced by our frankly necessary radioisotope production.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-05/activists-descend-on-port-ahead-of-nuclear-waste-ship's-arrival/7004088

quote:

Greenpeace campaigners descend on Port Kembla for arrival of nuclear waste ship BBC Shanghai
By Emily Laurence and staff



A major security operation is underway at Port Kembla, on the New South Wales south coast, where a shipment of nuclear waste has arrived.
On board the BBC Shanghai is 25 tonnes of nuclear waste, processed in France, for long-term storage in Australia.
A number of spectators gathered to see the ship arrive and about a dozen Greenpeace activists positioned themselves on the port's southern break wall.
Earlier, Greenpeace activists took to the water to protest the ship's arrival.
More than 50 water police were involved in on-water operations on jet skis, tactical response boats and command vessel Nemesis.
About 500 police will be involved in the land-based operation as the waste is transported by truck to the Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation (ANSTO) facility at Lucas Heights, in Sydney's south, tonight.
The Federal Government is in the process of finding a permanent site for the dump and the waste will be kept at ANSTO in the interim.
Six areas have been named on its shortlist, including three in South Australia.
South Australia is currently holding a royal commission to investigate whether the state should become more involved in the nuclear industry.
Public consultation about the site of a permanent waste facility is underway and the Federal Government will narrow down the list to just three sites early next year.

Australians do not want waste, activists say

Greenpeace said the Australian public did not support the return of the nuclear waste.

It commissioned a poll, which showed nearly three quarters of Australians opposed plans to store nuclear waste for other countries.
The ReachTEL poll conducted in November surveyed 3,144 people.
It found 72.1 per cent of respondents opposed the idea of relocating waste to Australia, 9.6 per cent were undecided and 18.3 per cent supported it.
The poll had a margin of error of 1.9 per cent.

Greenpeace spokeswoman Emma Gibson is on board a boat following the BBC Shanghai and said it appeared unsuitable to transport the radioactive waste.
"It's a right rust bucket of a ship which is what I was expecting," she said.
"It's been banned by the US government from carrying any kind of government cargo at all, but the Australian Government has decided that this ship is good enough to transport highly radioactive nuclear waste from France to Sydney.
"This is the first shipment of nuclear waste of many that are coming back from different parts of the world and we've seen that the Australian Government has cut corners on safety by using this ship.
"We're also really concerned about [Prime Minister] Malcolm Turnbull talking about Australia maybe becoming a host for nuclear waste coming from all kinds of different countries.
"So we could be taking more and more of this stuff and that's a really, really bad idea because the more you transport nuclear waste the more trouble there is, the more chance there is of something going wrong."

Ms Gibson said the Government had not been transparent in revealing the exact nature of the waste being transported.
"We found out in the last few days that there's confusion about what's actually on the ship.
"The Australian Government is playing down the nature of what's on the ship.
"They're saying its intermediate level nuclear waste like gloves, protective clothing, but the French authorities have told Greenpeace that this is high-level nuclear waste containing plutonium, that's the most dangerous kind of nuclear waste you can get."
ANSTO have said Greenpeace's comments about the presence of plutonium were inaccurate, and maintain the waste is safe and medium level, and that high-level waste stems from weapons and energy production.



Bringing reprocessed waste back to Australia

In the past two decades Australia has sent eight shiploads of waste overseas.
In the 1990s, the Federal Government made a deal with France to take some of our nuclear waste.
Australia does not have the capacity to reprocess it to make it safe for long-term storage.
France has now done that and what is left is on a ship coming home.
Eight shipments were sent to France, the United Kingdom and the United States in the 1990s and early 2000s.
The waste sent to the UK will return in the second half of this decade and the waste sent to the US will remain there.

Some more info on nuclear reprocessing and Storage in australia and ANSTOs FAQs

Which i will quote:

quote:

Q. Why did Australia export spent fuel? A. Australia does not have a facility capable of converting spent fuel into a form suitable for long-term management. France has developed this capability due to its large nuclear energy program. Exporting the spent fuel to France has allowed the removal of residual uranium and plutonium, which will be recycled.

The reprocessed waste will be safely immobilised in a durable vitrified (glass) form. With appropriate ongoing management, the resulting vitrified waste can be safely managed for thousands of years - allowing any remaining radioactivity to safely decay over time.

Q. What did France do with the spent fuel? The material was sent to France's La Hague nuclear fuel recycling facility. The reprocessing plant at La Hague extracts the unused uranium and the plutonium for reuse in nuclear fuel. The remaining waste is processed, producing a durable solid waste form that can be safely managed for thousands of years.

Q. How much uranium and plutonium was extracted in France? A. The spent fuel was exported to France in four shipments that occurred between 1999 and 2004. The spent fuel amounts to 20 stainless steel canisters and a total weight of 10 tonnes, which is removed during reprocessing and will be recycled and used for nuclear energy generation. The remaining waste will be vitrified and returned to Australia for safe storage.

Q. Were there guarantees that the recycled uranium and plutonium were used peacefully? A. Yes. All nuclear material (uranium and plutonium) extracted from the spent fuel is subject to the peaceful uses provisions of the Safeguards Agreements between Australia and France. It continues to be tracked by ASNO as Australian Obligated Nuclear Material.

Q. How much waste will return to Australia?
A. The intermediate-level waste returning from France will comprise up to 20 stainless steel canisters (containing the vitrified waste) with a total weight of about 10 tonnes. The total volume of vitrified waste will be 3.6 cubic metres.

The stainless steel canisters will be placed inside a single large shielded dual-purpose storage/transport container which will weigh about 112 tonnes.

In addition, Australia will also receive six drums of intermediate-level waste in cement. These are technological wastes such as gloves, protective clothing and obsolete equipment that have been generated during reprocessing and vitrification. The six drums of waste is proportional to the amount and activity of the waste reprocessed in France.

The total volume of all the reprocessed waste, including the technological wastes, to be returned from France to Australia will be approximately 6.8 cubic metres.
- See more at: http://www.ansto.gov.au/NuclearFacts/Managingwaste/Returnofwaste/Frequentlyaskedquestions/index.htm#sthash.88gNfVOU.dpuf

Negative Entropy fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Dec 5, 2015

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

or in simple terms.

Australia is big, and far away from other countries. Our sophisticated medical technology makes use of radiopharmaceuticals to make people well or diagnose why they are unwell. These medicines dont last very long after they are made and so would be ineffective if we had to ship them in from overseas, also they make people very uneasy when they cross borders.
So we make them here, true blue aussie nuclear medicine from true blue aussie uranium. Made right here in the south of sydney, and when expired they gets sent to france to be processed (because some agreement in the 90s) and then the leftovers are sent back here to be stored across the road underground from where they were made.

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/12033696/Paralysed-Opec-pleads-for-allies-as-oil-price-crumbles.html

crude oil has dropped from $110 to 40 per barrel. OPEC is continuing to supply and there are tankers on sea with no buyers.
on land storage is full in several places.

can someone with more financial knowledge provide some commentary.

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

Ket posted:

I think the real question is do you reckon you could convince conspiracy nutters that the Australian Embassy is a Muslim haven

RIP Vile Rat

Solemn Sloth posted:

we're doing a documentary about indigenous recognition starring a white guy racist

asio posted:

Att Brisgoons

http://m.brisbanetimes.com.au/queen...social_facebook

The Kingsford Smith Drive upgrade contract has been signed and Graham Quirk announced himself Santa.

It's now pretty obvious he's on the take because even RACQ has come out opposing the plan (guess they should have donated more).

The ALP has opposed it because they're scared of big numbers and only wanted to dump $150 mil into it instead of the current $650 mil.

The greens support trees over people so they want it left alone altogether.

I'm thinking it could be stopped/retarded by the residents in the area, who are fairly active and vocal against other recent poor development proposals in the toowong area, and they will probably stand up against having more homes and parks demolished for the upgrade. Other than this sort of piecemeal grassroots activity there isn't really much else to stop it going ahead at this point.

Merry Christmas Brisbane

Kingsford Smith drive has needed work for far too long. And to do it they need to resume some Old Qlders, fancy houses and build out over the river.
what Brisbane really needs is a ring road and better cheaper public transport but that's not happening.
:shrug:
after Newman's tunnels and putting suicide barriers on the Story Bridge I have trouble giving a poo poo.

bulldoze Brisbane flat, start over.
:killdozer:

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

:vince:
:getin::getin:
wow that's a massive undertaking.

I wonder if they need some data analysts.

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

EXAKT Science posted:

Hey Kommando, do you have a link to a full-size version of the cartoon in your av?

http://m.smh.com.au/photogallery/federal-politics/cartoons/david-pope-20120214-1t3j0.html

It's the one from 26 Nov '15

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

instead of looking into why people want to kill themselves and boosting mental health services, they were cut and barriers were put up instead.

So now people will jump in front of trains or off KP Cliffs.

people jumping off bridges was causing traffic problems and that wasn't good for Newman's traffic easement message.

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

nevermind me. I'm ovrrsimplifying things.

I read something about Donald Trump wanting to call Bill Gates to shut off the internet and got irritated.

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

I'm making poo poo quips about Newman and suicide and being generally belligerent.

It feels like there is rarely a sensible decision being made in brisbane. The constant focus on everything bad, im not discussing sensibly.

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

hooman posted:

Newstart is 502 a fortnight for a single. So 13k a year. For the cost of the offshore detention program we could give 1200000000/13000 = 92307 refugees a new start in Australia. Not to mention that every cent of that money would go straight back into our economy because newstart is woefully low.

Also that assumes that none of them get jobs which is pretty unlikely.

really? she it was that low. 251 per week. can you even find non share rental accommodation and eat for that much?

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

we paid $42 million to put in a bid to host the world cup.

that's like several schools and hospitals worth.
how about paying for some new teachers.. pay them 60, 70 gently caress it $80k per year. pay them enough so people actually want to teach.
that's 525 new teachers positions. at 80k.

$1.2 billion...
the mind reels at what that could achieve.

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

Solemn Sloth posted:

a fun project for a what now?


You can get rent assistance as an additional payment (It's still a loving pittance)

I know you can get rent assistance, I was on and off it for years but mercifully I've been employed for the last 5.

It still shocking to see how low it is and how it has not increased.

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

open24hours posted:

Can you get vaccinated against chicken pox?

[EDIT: You can. Bloody spoiled kids these days they should have to suffer like I did.]

A pox on you!

:arghfist::barf:

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Greg Hunt, which is surprisingly not rhyming slang for "oval office".

He literally wrote a thesis on the implementation of an emissions trading scheme, so some people considered it a bit hypocritical that he was the environment minister for a government that tore down the ETS.



It's not easy being green

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

SynthOrange posted:

Taxpayers shell out $1,700 for three beanbags for Julie Bishop's creativity initiative Beanbags were purchased for $590 each to outfit innovationXchange, described by Bishop’s as a ‘gorgeous little funky, hipster, Googly, Facebooky-type place’

labah waaaaste

http://lovesac.com.au

Negative Entropy fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Dec 14, 2015

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

adamantium|wang posted:

The LNP executive has blocked Ian MacFarlane's defection to the National Party.

lol.

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

Laserface posted:

Or just stop posting loving first dog, like everyone wishes you would.

I like firstdog and friendly jordies

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009


ok. maybe first dog should write a column...


"hello" he lied.

TIL that "third world" did not originally mean poor or undeveloped countries, rather those not aligned with the major powers of the Cold War era. Since then its use has come to mean undeveloped but this is somewhat derogatory especially considering its original definition. Some of those countries have created the Non-Aligned Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement

Ergo, first world problems might more accurately reflect issues regarding political alignment and free trade agreements with aligned powers.

My elected leaders signed a secret trade agreement with the US! #firstworldproblems

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

MythLisp posted:

Originally in the 90s there was a health announcement that Lyme would be on the rise and for doctors to look out for symptoms. The testing done at Westmead failed to get any positives and so it was determined that the disease wasn't here rather than the tests weren't working or optimized for Australia's borrelia - which exists in Europe/the Americas/Africa/Asia.


I used to work in the private lab that tests for Borrelia.
They do inhouse PCR with their own primers and 2 kits - one serological and one based on cell activity EliSpot - a method also used for TB and HIV. I can say for sure we had positives from the kits from people who never left the country. A few of the doctors who actually call themselves Lyme specialists tend to have Lyme also which is the reason why they got into it.

The PCR primers are the company's intellectual property and according to my old boss some of the researchers had asked for access to the primers in use for studies which my boss refused.

I have also heard that doctors that have gone out of their way to diagnose people who have never left Aus with Lyme have been threatened with deregistration.

Lyme/borrelia is a bugger to treat when you have it in a chronic condition. I collected blood from people who had been sick for 10 to 20 years and turned up positive on the tests. Not only that, you could have a number of coinfections like Rickettsia or Bartonella that give you different symptoms. In some cases, victims would get a bullseye rash from the bite - a universal sign of borrelia infection but not here apparently.

It's my personal opinion that it is here, but the majority of registrars and doctors in the hospital i work at now don't believe so at all.

Could go more into it but heading into work now.

very interesting. Why would you boss refuse access to the primers? or did he offer his PCR services to the researchers instead?

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Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

End of year

end of thread


Thanks for playing.

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