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Kith posted:the usual D&D dogpile aside all irony needs to do is apologize and also never do that poo poo again. easy as I actually meant to hit the report button not the quote button. 
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Raenir Salazar posted:I actually meant to hit the report button not the quote button. im going to laugh at you now
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It'd probably be good to get back on topic. State Dept. as expected is looking into it or whatever. They'll circle back on this at the next standup for sure. https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1782573217967673753
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https://twitter.com/WOLPalestine/status/1782570510657769799 https://twitter.com/jenniferjjacobs/status/1782489572657492239 Apparently, students at other universities are also protesting with sit-ins or camping. Crazy that this is the response to what has largely been a peaceful protest
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The complete and utter erasure of anti-zionist jews from the protests and even the narrative is just chilling. I saw more of them during the cring video of the woman with the 'jew' t-shirt today, posting how unsafe she felt at a campus protest (while hundreds of supposedly murderously anti-semitic people around her barely took notice) and a group with a Jews-for-Free-Palestine sign could be seen for a couple of seconds in the background.
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Sephyr posted:The complete and utter erasure of anti-zionist jews from the protests and even the narrative is just chilling. https://twitter.com/BesDMarx/status/1782496936173441434 You talking about this one, right?
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HazCat posted:Obviously not an ideal solution if your preference is a slower-paced thread, but if this thread closes you can at least use it as a stop-gap measure to avoid having to watch mainstream media or unfiltered online media. I can’t avoid the brain breaking brutality of it all, but I can at least handle it better. Well, at least the existence of it. The minimizing, denial and justification is still something I need to figure out how to contend with, even though logically, no one should have to simply deal with any of this.
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Nonsense posted:https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1782470614512542119 yes, and also never underestimate the extent to which hyperventilating idiots have vibes based priorities
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Iamgoofball posted:Please stop telling people to post SAD threads, SAD's moderation has made it very clear they do not want people to complain about D&D moderation in SAD. You can contact the mod who made him IK. I'm sure that will be just as productive.
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Marenghi posted:You can contact the mod who made him IK. I'm sure that will be just as productive. You can also wait until the D&D feedback thread opens for two hours the next time the omens are right and Mars is in conjunction with Uranus.
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Quantum Cat posted:Honestly we are belabouring this too much, Irony just be a normal human being and not a DnD poster about it for half a second and cop to a hastey probe and apologize. Nothing about this is complicated. If Irony could do that I don't see why the rest of us can't also be normal people about it and move on. It's truly hilarious how fast these derails would end if mods would just say "oops sorry" when they make a mistake instead of doubling down with threats and punishment to get back on topic. It would make their role so much easier but they won't do it. Not to mention the improved goodwill, trust, etc Or if there were a feedback thread people could go instead of PMs (ignored) or SAD (stop bothering us about D&D, thread closed) VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Apr 23, 2024 |
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We’ve seen your feedback. If you have any additional comments, feel free to send me a PM. Please let the thread get back to its regularly scheduled programming.
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Will there be an answer to any of the feedback, and how will it be communicated? In this thread, in individual PMs to everyone who commented, in a new thread to avoid derailing this one again, or in the quasi-quarterly feedback thread if it isn't forgotten? Or am I misinterpreting your response and this is a "you had your say now shut up and forget about it" note
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VitalSigns posted:Will there be an answer to any of the feedback, and how will it be communicated? *awkward pause* We don't do that here
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VitalSigns posted:Will there be an answer to any of the feedback, and how will it be communicated? Posting in bad faith, posting about posters, user has been banned.
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Sephyr posted:The complete and utter erasure of anti-zionist jews from the protests and even the narrative is just chilling. don't remember which article this clip is from (its from months ago), but yes  
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Exactly what discussion is possible when you can be ejected for appearing to be unfair to American media?
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moths posted:Exactly what discussion is possible when you can be ejected for appearing to be unfair to American media? Discussion that is only deferential to and unquestioning of American media, as desired.
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Nebalebadingdong posted:don't remember which article this clip is from (its from months ago), but yes https://twitter.com/jakemgrumbach/status/1782525218621407349 A Jewish peer making others uncomfortable by being anti-genocide, pro-Palestine
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How does someone protest against what Israel the country is doing without being labeled antisemitic? Like I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume someone parading around with a Russian flag these days is in support of what their country is doing to Ukraine, and I think it's perfectly reasonable to call that person out on it. But because the flag they are parading is an Israeli flag, calling them out for being in support of their government makes people antisemitic?
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Nebalebadingdong posted:don't remember which article this clip is from (its from months ago), but yes Anti-zionist Jews have been completely erased from the narrative about protests against the genocide in Gaza inspite of them making up a very large chunk of the people getting arrested for protesting (or perhaps especially because of this).
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Boris Galerkin posted:How does someone protest against what Israel the country is doing without being labeled antisemitic? Like I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume someone parading around with a Russian flag these days is in support of what their country is doing to Ukraine, and I think it's perfectly reasonable to call that person out on it. But because the flag they are parading is an Israeli flag, calling them out for being in support of their government makes people antisemitic? You don't avoid it. You get labeled antisemitic.
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Boris Galerkin posted:How does someone protest against what Israel the country is doing without being labeled antisemitic? Like I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume someone parading around with a Russian flag these days is in support of what their country is doing to Ukraine, and I think it's perfectly reasonable to call that person out on it. But because the flag they are parading is an Israeli flag, calling them out for being in support of their government makes people antisemitic? You can't, because Zionists will smear any criticism of Israel's repugnant conduct and ongoing genocide as anti-Semitism. It is an accusation that is almost always used in bad faith in this context. For an example look at the ongoing media discourse about supposedly rampant "anti-Semitism" (protests against Israel's genocide) on US college campuses.
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Pro-Israel people have always used accusations of antisemitism to try to discredit criticism of Israel. It doesn’t seem to be working anymore, with public approval of Israel in America still steadily declining during Israel’s genocide. Which does make fear that in failing to discredit criticism of Israel, they discredit accusations of antisemitism generally.
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deadking posted:You can't, because Zionists will smear any criticism of Israel's repugnant conduct and ongoing genocide as anti-Semitism. It is an accusation that is almost always used in bad faith in this context. For an example look at the ongoing media discourse about supposedly rampant "anti-Semitism" (protests against Israel's genocide) on US college campuses. Yeah my question was in context of the current media discourse in the U.S. It seems like all of these protests and sit ins and what have you are just automatically labeled as antisemitism?
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Boris Galerkin posted:Yeah my question was in context of the current media discourse in the U.S. It seems like all of these protests and sit ins and what have you are just automatically labeled as antisemitism? it's the same poo poo we went through with Iraq where any criticism got labelled as traitorous anti-american talk, but now it's extra spicy because the warhawks get to conflate the peace movement with Adolph Hitler.
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Gripweed posted:Which does make fear that in failing to discredit criticism of Israel, they discredit accusations of antisemitism generally. they know, and they don't care Alan Dershowitz is currently penning thinkpieces about how peace protests are more terrifying than the actual Charlottesville nazi rally, and Bibi famously is more than happy to pal around with white supremacists because he and they are ideologically aligned. They do not have any issue with actual anti-Semitism, they just like the term as a cudgel against anyone who opposes them, because the credulous/complicit will not push back or ask follow-up questions. there's no real winning move, you just gotta accept that you'll get labeled and tell anyone who argues in bad faith to gently caress off. Whatever that does to screen actual nazis is on them.
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Israel/Zionism has always excelled at getting their narrative out first; it was a genuine blindside when they suddenly started attacking Feminist organizations in tandem with the release of the debunked NYT article Screams Without Words, as an example. They're good at shoving out a message ASAP. This is effective if the audience is getting their news from a source that isn't going to display anything that would challenge it (Television, Newspapers), but obviously falls apart in a catastrophic way if they're getting their news from a more publicly abrogable source (Twitter, TikTok, Online websites, Forums). Which we're seeing play out in the growing chasm of support for Israel between ages under-40 and over-40. Like, anyone using Twitter is going to hear about the "antisemitic Jew-hating campus pogroms", but they're also going to see this: https://twitter.com/simonerzim/status/1782606749205180869 https://twitter.com/simonerzim/status/1781543520089583959 https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781382612046463248 Which is only going to make younger generations more distrustful of traditional news sources.
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Neurolimal posted:Israel/Zionism has always excelled at getting their narrative out first; it was a genuine blindside when they suddenly started attacking Feminist organizations in tandem with the release of the debunked NYT article Screams Without Words, as an example. They're good at shoving out a message ASAP. Not that it's anything new but poisoning that well is certainly disastrous for keeping people from falling into disinfo, rage bait, and conspiratorial thinking. You know, the same things that drive people into the arms of actual anti-Semitic hate groups, elder protocols of Zion poo poo. Seeding misery for Jews in general to serve the interests of genocide, it's utterly repulsive.
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Professor Beetus posted:Not that it's anything new but poisoning that well is certainly disastrous for keeping people from falling into disinfo, rage bait, and conspiratorial thinking. You know, the same things that drive people into the arms of actual anti-Semitic hate groups, elder protocols of Zion poo poo. Seeding misery for Jews in general to serve the interests of genocide, it's utterly repulsive. FYI that is a loaded term to use quote:Additionally, well poisoning was one of the three gravest antisemitic accusations made against Jews during the pre-modern period (the other two being host desecration and blood libel)
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mawarannahr posted:FYI that is a loaded term to use Ironically, the Haganah intentionally poisoned wells during the Nakba. In fact Ben Gurion himself seems to have participated. quote:...the excerpts from the diary of the man who would become Israel’s first prime minister are traces of his involvement in a secret operation to poison the drinking water of Arab communities during the War of Independence. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...c7-fefed64d0000
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mawarannahr posted:FYI that is a loaded term to use poo poo, thanks for pointing that out, I had no idea. It's putting poo poo in the sandwich I guess, p much same concept.
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Professor Beetus posted:poo poo, thanks for pointing that out, I had no idea. It's putting poo poo in the sandwich I guess, p much same concept. It's sadly unavoidable to be called antisemitic when criticizing Israel. I think it's worth not giving ammunition or invoking a trope that is demeaning to all Jewish people. There is a lot of antisemitism embedded in English (probably most European languages?) so it's easy to do so accidentally.
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punishedkissinger posted:Ironically, the Haganah intentionally poisoned wells during the Nakba. In fact Ben Gurion himself seems to have participated. Israel can just do anti-semetic tropes and then when they get accused of them they can call them libelous anti-semetic tropes
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Gripweed posted:Pro-Israel people have always used accusations of antisemitism to try to discredit criticism of Israel. It doesn’t seem to be working anymore, with public approval of Israel in America still steadily declining during Israel’s genocide. It's a win-win when it comes to justifying Zionism and antisemitism both, both narrative exceptionalize jews as a uniquely "apart" and inherently more powerful group that can only be "safe" when confined to a nation state of their own, and the only fundamental disagreement is if Jews are "good" or "bad." The conflation of Israel and all Jews also lets non-Jewish Zionists have their cake and eat it too, they can openly support the colonial and military project of Israel while demonizing Jews in their own country as traitors.
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