Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

How really effective are the paragliders? They only hold two people at a time, they're slow as gently caress and both the alleged video of them over the rave and the propaganda video didn't seem like they had a lot. I could see them using these to get past the barriers in small numbers for infiltration, intelligence gathering and sabotage, but claiming this is some sort of airborne assault is a bit laughable. You're deploying fire teams with those numbers, not whole companies of fighters behind enemy lines.

The skies would need to be filled with them to be an effective airborne fighting force. The only reason it seems is to make a claim about sophistication.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

theCalamity posted:

https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1714314827173175680?s=46

Mostly posting this because of the screenshot since it was eventually deleted. Probably felt that it made them look too much like the villain especially after bombing a hospital during their genocidal massacre

It may have been deleted because of international optics, but that is apparently a transcript of Netanyahu's speech to the Knesset.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Madkal posted:

Hamas does good for Palestinians as long as those Palestinians don't identify as LGBTQ and their ideas of non Muslims living in Palestine/Israel is a little bit problematic

Ah, trying to pinkwash, aren't you? Don't look up what the status of interracial and same-sex marriage in Israel!

Also, one of the targets that Israel bombed last night in Gaza was an Orthodox Christian church that was sheltering mixed denomination refugees.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Hamas released two American hostages, largely in part to Qatari negotiations, and, specifically pointed out in statements, no thanks to "Joe Biden and his fascist administration".
https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1715413571427811694?s=20

The hostages are Judith Raanan and her daughter Natalie of Evanston, Illinois.



Meanwhile, Netanyahu is busy writing off hostages in front of their families so he can continue his bombing campaign, even throwing in ringers as fake family members.
https://x.com/abesilbe/status/1714852909576339876?s=20

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Former Republican Representative of Michigan, Justin Amash, reports that several of his family members were killed in the bombing of the Saint Porphyrius Church in Gaza.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/20/gaza-church-strike-saint-porphyrius/
https://x.com/justinamash/status/1715470077196194068?s=20

Edit: I edited out some editorializing because I felt it was crude.

Young Freud fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Oct 20, 2023

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Ms Adequate posted:

It does feel like "Rolling the tanks into Gaza City and loving razing the place" is something the IDF would be ready to do on like, 48 hour's notice, max, so yeah I get the feeling that someone, somewhere high up in Tel Aviv is extremely gun-shy about it. Though I would propose a couple of alternative reasons to Neurolimal's suggestion that they anticipate it'll cost them a lot more than they want to pay: one is that they are in serious back-channel negotiations for hostage releases and are holding off until those conclude one way or the other; two is that regardless of the degree of ground casualties they expect they're willing to sit back and keep hammering the place with air power before they go in.

I don't think the latter is actually very likely at all, because I think their anger and machismo is too amped up for it, and my inclination is to think they're trying to work out a hostage deal. Or possibly trying to figure out how to make sure nobody else like Hezbollah or in the West Bank hits them in the flank while they're busy doing their ethnic cleansing in Gaza.

Israel has not won a major ground operation against near parity opponents since the '70s. And they're poor at attrition warfare despite being a conscripted army. Invading Gaza would be like trying to subdue a rogue Texas, too close for comfort. And that's not getting into if West Bank and Lebanon get dragged in further.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

MadSparkle posted:

I don't understand how Netanyahu has been strengthening Hamas for years, instead of working with Abbas for statehood, and telling Likud to do the same if they wanted to avoid establishing a Palestinian state.... yet no one is holding him accountable for an of this? How is no one calling him out? He's never wanted a 2-state solution at all, he's entirely just turned a blind eye to Hamas and then deliberately ignored Abbas. It's driving me crazy that I'm not seeing any of this really being talked about on news.

It's because Israeli internal dissent is being actively suppressed.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

mrfart posted:

True. hamas doesn’t have javelins, artillery or any nice stuff to take on tanks from a distance. Maybe they’ll try with grenade dropping drones or something. But I guess that as long as they keep these tanks out of narrow streets/rubble, they’ll be fairly safe. Infantry is another story.

Grenade-dropping drones aren't a hypothetical, Hamas had video of their drones blowing up listening posts and brewing up Merkavas.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Counterpoint: Yes they should. This shithead line is only as old as the GWOT. Everyone used to negotiate for the release of hostages. That's why hostage negotiation exists. It's only due to the fascist American death drive, shared by Israel, that conscripts all civilians into itself as willing martyrs for the cause that, 'we don't negotiate with terrorists' has become policy.

Also a counterpoint: Ronald Reagan, the person who said "we don't negotiate with terrorists", negotiated with terrorists.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Groovelord Neato posted:

The IDF HQ is in the middle of Tel Aviv so your wish was granted.

https://x.com/elivalley/status/1716121672304955739?s=20

The central hospital in Tel Aviv sits more or less than a half-kilometer from the IDF's version of the Pentagon, regardless if you go from the center of the main hospital building or the specialist buildings at the end. If Hezbollah or Syria used their ballistic missiles, the hospital is well within their circle error probability (where 50% of missiles will fall within).

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

An outrageous poll results broadcast on MSNBC
https://x.com/Bilalbay/status/1719520725663387773?s=20

And that's from a couple weeks ago, it's has to be larger now. Regardless, how is President Biden think ignoring this is a good idea?

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Willo567 posted:

Is there a better translation of what he's saying other than Memri? Also, would they even be able to repeat it at the moment?

Believe it or not, Coup frontman and director Boots Riley has been on this. Riley is pretty political, having been an activist since he was 14 and being involved in Occupy Oakland, outreach for Bernie Sanders, and shouting out union actions, so I would trust his view on the matter, at least as a counterpoint.

He says the translation is accurate but the MEMRI piece is heavily edited to take things out of context. He goes over it in some detail in this thread.
https://x.com/BootsRiley/status/1719783509613789300?s=20
https://x.com/BootsRiley/status/1719845290146943442?s=20

He retweet his original thread with new information, after finding the unedited video.
https://x.com/BootsRiley/status/1719864481055211780?s=20
https://x.com/BootsRiley/status/1719866507419877437?s=20
https://x.com/BootsRiley/status/1719892163415453895?s=20

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Hong XiuQuan posted:

There are videos of fighters running up to and attaching explosives to tanks with 0 infantry support. You may not be seeing this but the Israeli ground forces are currently a running joke and the air forces are seen as only good enough to bomb hospitals.

I literally could not believe that. There's a loving dude in a bright blue fake Adidas tracksuit hiding amongst dry brush not loving 20 meters from a Merkava and no infantry at all. Even the tank crews are buttoned up in open terrain, supposedly where tanks are most advantageous.

And then his buddy not only puts a charge on the upper deck of Merkava but turns around and hits another Merkava with a PG-7VR.

Young Freud fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Nov 3, 2023

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Dubar posted:

If hamas is in fact hiding in ambulances, the solution is not to blow up every ambulance. No one is being forced to murder children

Like seriously, doesn't Israel have these super loving commandos we keep hearing about? You think if you're trying to kill or capture a single guy, you'd just risk a bunch of squaddies to stop an ambulance and haul off with the guy.

It's like that the goal isn't to stop terrorists, it's to blow up ambulances.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

BUUNNI posted:

https://twitter.com/netanyahu/status/1720400053347438719

Bibi keeps upping the fascist call backs in his unhinged twitter rants, claims Israel is actually 1,000 years old :allears:

What the gently caress is he talking about? 1000 years ago, that land was constantly being traded between various Arabic dynastic empires and then the Crusaders.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

The IDF did some intelligence work today and raided a HAMAS stronghold.
https://x.com/JoeTruzman/status/1720501575624618111?s=20

https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1720510546464682141?s=20
https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1720513404031439094?s=20

Not sure if there was anybody there. The video from the raid makes it look abandoned.

BTW, sure doesn't look like a tunnel complex under a hospital.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

punishedkissinger posted:

We know that Israeli armor cant magically shrug off RPG attacks. They had 20 Merkavas knocked out in Lebanon in 2007. Armor technology hasnt really changed since then.

With the same type of RPGs even.

PG-7VRs, of which we have seen in use and the RPG-29 is a derivative of, is capable of penetrating the side hull of an Abrams and getting a motive kill.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Kunabomber posted:

i expect the top part to shoot up like a champagne cork and come crashing down

That's apparently a bug specific to Soviet-era tanks (which even the modernized T-90 stuff counts since it's just upgraded T-80 and T-72 designs), because of the ammo carousels underneath the turret. Almost everyone else started designing their ammo storage around blow-out panels, which caused their turrets to balloon and the Merkava was no exception.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Neurolimal posted:

In retrospect it shouldn't be that crazy; it's not like they have X-ray vision, and their approach to punishing Gaza naturally incentivizes building underground where they can't see. The best they can do is blackmail Gazans into becoming informants, but....Well, despite how much effort Hamas has put into being more acceptable on an international scale, they still freely execute informants when they find them.

Maybe at some point they actually had incredible & legendary super-intelligence, maybe it was always a cultural invention, either way it's clear post-Oct 7 that Israel's military and intelligence are just as incompetent as any other Western state's, if not even more hamstrung by incredible racism.

Exempting Hamas' SOP with informants, another point is that why would any Palestinian become an informant now? It's not like the Israelis are going to rehouse them or let them stay in Gaza. They've made their intentions know and the Palestinians aren't a part of it, so why cooperate?

I recall something happened with the Nazis in Russia and the Eastern Front: at first, they'd got collaborators to hunt down partisans but after they started massacre whole villages et al, the collaborators stopped working with them gathering intelligence since they knew they'd be next against wall after the partisans got hunted down.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Jimbozig posted:

It's not just that Egypt "don't want refugees." They can actually think two steps ahead.

Okay, suppose all of Gaza is emptied into Sinai. Now Hamas is operating from Sinai, launching rockets at Israel from Sinai.

What does the IDF do next? We all know what they do next, they start bombing Egypt.

Egypt doesn't want a war with Israel. If they did, they'd have joined in by now.

Everyone saw what happened with Lebanon. Pushing Palestinians into the Sinai is soon followed by Israeli soldiers in the Sinai to keep them from attacking Israel.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Flopsy posted:

https://twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1733229697641697404

Question is how do they get the fucker out of power quickly. He set this up to make it as difficult as possible.

idk IDF or Shin Bet pulls a President Park Chung Hee? Doubt a military-intelligence junta would be better for the situation than Bibi and his Likudniks, but at least it would be more honest of Israel than "the Middle East's only democracy".

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Neurolimal posted:

Also hard to gauge the thickness of Merkava armor, especially because if you google anything about the Merkava you get vacuous articles masturbating about how badass it is (followed by War Thunder threads complaining that Merkava armor isn't OP in the game, citing those articles), but we do have some images of the Merkava 1/2:



These tanks were designed when Israel had fewer resources and next to no design experience, so a lot of it is cribbed from tanks they managed to pilfer or information provided by other countries. From what I could gather? Israel never bothered with ERA on these two versions, because [from what I understand] for ERA to work the armor has to be thick enough to withstand the explosion of the ERA itself, which the Merkava might not have been able to. From what I could find almost half? of Israel's tanks are these two versions.

One of the things I recall about the Merkava is that the engine is in the front of the tank to provide additional crew protection and I can definitely think that may have been a compromise if they couldn't produce a front glacis thick enough to withstand most tanks.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Ravenfood posted:

Love that they stole the "he felt threatened" excuse that will never be examined from US cops. No follow-up questions will be asked on, exactly, why a bunch of armed soldiers supposedly felt threatened by shirtless unarmed civilians waving a white flag.

Absolutely the IDF routinely shoots anyone they see moving and the only reason this is different is that they shot hostages. What's more surprising to me is that there was any confirmation from military officials at all instead of them claiming they were killed by Hamas gunfire despite all evidence to the contrary, a la Abu Akleh.

I think one of the more infuriating things about this, outside of the obvious genocide, is seeing CopLogic and CopSpeak on such a large scale. It's no wonder the marginalized in America feel so much sympathy for the Palestinians, they're seeing all these "accidentally police shootings" and "died in police custody" incidents writ large by Israel, a nation of cops.

I have to wonder if what came first, American police deferral of responsibility or Israel's "blamelessness" regarding war crimes? Did Israel teach that to our cops like everything else in the LEO/security industry they've set up or did they learn that from us? Or is it a convergent evolution of cover-ups and victim blaming?

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Sephyr posted:

Between that and the "Dude, having sex after you snuff the life out of someone's eyes is the BEST" cop lecturer that had trained like 1500 precincts, color me unsurprised.

Imagine David Grossman (apt name) losing business to the Israelis and video games.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Alchenar posted:

As long as the risk is 'we will fly a helicopter out and try to hijack you' rather than Iran's 'we will flood the gulf with mines and fling missiles at anything that passes' the threat is probably manageable.

poo poo, they could hijack a couple of ships, sail them into the canal and Evergiven them intentionally at any point. We all saw how long it took to dislodge one ship, what happens if you have two?

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

punishedkissinger posted:

BDS was pretty helpful against South Africa and is effective enough against Israel that AIPAC has worked with many states to make it illegal.

Before he championed against "anti-Italian discrimination" on The Sopranos, Steven Van Zandt got together pretty much every big name artist at their peak popularity and fame to declare they would not play Sun City...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fR2r8Qlyyk
(brief aside, I hadn't really seen this video in something like 40 years and Jesus, it still has an energy to it.)

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

kiminewt posted:

Speaking of Israel being "careful", here's a tweet by Israeli Economy minister after 14 soldiers have died during the weekend:

https://x.com/NirBarkat/status/1738857576425460159?s=20

Google translate:
"I am worried. Unfortunately we are too nice and considerate. It is unthinkable that we would endanger our soldiers, and send them exposed in all kinds of buildings, without having bombed them beforehand. Surrendering to any external pressure, even if it is from our best friends, is a grave mistake for which we pay heavy prices. Our role as the government of Israel is, first and foremost, to take care of the vital interests of the State of Israel. Don't give up because of any pressure!"

The government is preparing the excuse that they failed because they were stopped and were "too considerate". Same poo poo they said in previous engagements.

Incidentally, the IDF released their count of 8,000 terrorist operatives killed. So I guess by their count, 12000 civilians is considerate.

They're probably counting the "8000 terrorists" as any "military-aged" (@16-49yo) male they've killed.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Sephyr posted:

Apparently the Israeli Supreme Court has (narrowly) struck down Bibi's power grab of the last months. It remains ti be seen if this will cause him to pause and regroup to sustain his coalition, or if he'll double down on the slaughter to try and deliver -something- to the public, and thus come across as their defender compared to the meddling/corrupt/weakling judges trying to stop him from saving everyone.

I know where I'd place my chips, especially now that the US seems to have just gone "what's mine is yours' regarding its whole weapons materiel stockpile.

Literally an hour later after the Israeli Supreme Court announced the decision, we get news that Israel is pulling troops out of Gaza. It's not a ceasefire or a complete retreat, but a regrouping supposedly to engage Hamas in at a lower intensity. Later in this Al Jazeera piece, they mention a whole bunch of friendly fire incidents and IDF deaths caused by weapons malfunctions and equipment failures as opposed to enemy fire, so my guess is that they're pulling back excess conscripts that keep getting themselves killed and keeping elite veteran units who are trained and experienced well enough at least not to shoot themselves.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/1/israel-says-it-will-pull-out-thousands-of-troops-from-gaza

quote:

The Israeli military has announced that it will withdraw thousands of its soldiers from the besieged Gaza Strip in the first significant pullback of troops since the war there began in October.

Israel has come under increasing pressure from its principal ally, the United States, to move to a more low-intensity war that has fewer civilian casualties.

But in the southern city of Khan Younis, fierce fighting has continued as Israel reaffirms its pledge to press on with the war until its goals have been achieved, including destroying the Palestinian group Hamas, which killed around 1,140 people in attacks on southern Israel on October 7, according to Israeli officials.

In a statement, the military said on Monday that five brigades, or several thousand troops, were being taken out of the enclave for training and rest.

Army spokesperson Daniel Hagari did not say whether the decision meant the war was entering into a new phase during a briefing on Sunday that first announced the troop withdrawal.

“The objectives of the war require prolonged fighting, and we are preparing accordingly,” he said.

New stage?
Shlomo Brom, a retired brigadier general previously in charge of strategic planning in the Israeli military, said the troop changes may be due to US pressure and could signal a shift in the way Israel is conducting the war.

“The war is not stopping,” said Brom. “It is the beginning of a different mode of operations”.

Israeli officials have said they would wage the war in three main stages. The first was intense shelling to clear access routes for ground forces and encourage civilians to evacuate. The second was the invasion of the Gaza Strip that began on October 27.

With tanks and troops having now overrun much of the Strip, largely asserting control despite Palestinian gunmen continuing their ambushes from hidden tunnels and bunkers, the military is moving to the third stage, an Israeli official, who could not be named given the sensitivity of the issue, told the Reuters news agency.

“This will take six months at least, and involve intense mopping-up missions against the terrorists. No one is talking about doves of peace being flown from Shujayea,” the official was quoted as saying, referring to a Gaza district ravaged by fighting.

Surprisingly, it looks like US is also de-escalating in the region...

quote:

Separately on Monday, the US announced that it would be taking an aircraft carrier strike group back from the eastern Mediterranean and replacing it with an amphibious assault ship and accompanying warships.

Palestinian health authorities say at least 21,978 people have been killed in the Israeli assault on Gaza since October 7.

The Israeli military said last week that at least 172 soldiers had been killed since the ground operation began in late October, including 18 by friendly fire and 11 by weapons or equipment malfunctions.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Kalit posted:

As a reminder, the Republic of Yemen is the internationally recognized government in the country. It's baffling how you wouldn't take them into consideration while talking about how the civil war is "on pause".

Also, that article says nothing about STC's reaction. So it seems like an extreme stretch to claim that they are united with the Houthis against the US because of the strikes...

E: Looking at another article about this incident, it seems like your claim that it was an attack is even false: https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2024/01/12/UKMTO-receives-report-of-incident-in-Red-Sea-near-Yemen-s-Aden

UKMTO confirms basically confirms the attack, see #551

https://www.ukmto.org/indian-ocean/recent-incidents

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

What Israeli sites in Iraq? Is that just Iranian conjecture?

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

ABC News is confirming the strikes on the Consulate...
https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...al_twitter_abcn

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Hong XiuQuan posted:

Here's a tweet that mentions it: https://x.com/LumpyLouish/status/1751042267043762630?s=20


In other news, the UK, Australia, Italy and Canada have followed the US in the disgracefully cynical move to cease funding UNWRA in order to punish Palestinians for the ICJ adjudication. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68104203
The responses from the governments of the UK, the US and Canada to the ICJ have all been atrocious. They are expending enormous political capital to do this and they're laying waste to the world's safety as a result.

Can't help but notice that most of this appears to be using AI art. It's like they can't find a decent marketing team or are doing this on the cheap.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Apparently, Israeli intelligence has determined where Hamas got the weapons used in the 10/7 attacks: from the Israeli military itself, usually in the form of weaponized unexploded ordnance as well as theft from poorly-guarded bases.
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/...keyword=dlvr.it

quote:

LONDON – Israeli military and intelligence officials have concluded that a significant number of weapons used by Hamas in the Oct 7 attacks and in the war in the Gaza Strip came from an unlikely source: the Israeli military itself.

For years, analysts have pointed to underground smuggling routes to explain how Hamas stayed so heavily armed despite an Israeli military blockade of the Gaza Strip.

But recent intelligence has shown the extent to which Hamas has been able to build many of its rockets and anti-tank weaponry out of the thousands of munitions that failed to detonate when Israel lobbed them into Gaza, according to weapons experts and Israeli and Western intelligence officials.

Hamas is also arming its fighters with weapons stolen from Israeli military bases.

Intelligence gathered during months of fighting revealed that, just as Israeli authorities misjudged Hamas’ intentions before Oct 7, they also underestimated its ability to obtain arms.

What is clear now is that the very weapons that Israeli forces have used to enforce a blockade of Gaza over the past 17 years are now being used against them.

Israeli and American military explosives have enabled Hamas to shower Israel with rockets and, for the first time, penetrate Israeli towns from Gaza.

“Unexploded ordnance is a main source of explosives for Hamas,” said Mr Michael Cardash, the former deputy head of the Israeli National Police Bomb Disposal Division and an Israeli police consultant.

“They are cutting open bombs from Israel, artillery bombs from Israel, and a lot of them are being used, of course, and repurposed for their explosives and rockets.”

Weapons experts say that roughly 10 percent of munitions typically fail to detonate, but in Israel’s case, the figure could be higher.

Israel’s arsenal includes Vietnam-era missiles, long discontinued by the United States and other military powers.

The failure rate on some of those missiles could be as high as 15 per cent, said one Israeli intelligence officer who, like others interviewed for this article, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.

By either count, years of sporadic bombing and the recent bombardment of Gaza have littered the area with thousands of tons of unexploded ordnance just waiting to be reused.

One 750-pound bomb that fails to detonate can become hundreds of missiles or rockets.

Hamas did not respond to messages seeking comment. The Israeli military said in a statement that it was committed to dismantling Hamas but did not answer specific questions about the group’s weapons.

Israeli officials knew before the October attacks that Hamas could salvage some Israeli-made weapons, but the scope has startled weapons experts and diplomats alike.

Israeli authorities also knew that their armouries were vulnerable to theft. A military report from early 2023 noted that thousands of bullets and hundreds of guns and grenades had been stolen from poorly guarded bases.

From there, the report said, some made their way to the West Bank, and others to Gaza by way of Sinai.

But the report focused on military security. The consequences were treated almost as an afterthought: “We are fuelling our enemies with our own weapons,” read one line of the report, which was viewed by The New York Times.

The consequences became apparent Oct 7.

Hours after Hamas breached the border, four Israeli soldiers discovered the body of a Hamas gunman who was killed outside the Re’im military base.

Hebrew writing was visible on a grenade on his belt, said one of the soldiers, who recognised it as a bulletproof Israeli grenade, a recent model.

Other Hamas fighters overran the base, and Israeli military officials say some weapons were looted and returned to Gaza.

A few miles away, members of an Israeli forensic team collected one of the 5,000 rockets fired by Hamas that day. Examining the rocket, they discovered that its military-grade explosives had most likely come from an unexploded Israeli missile fired into Gaza during a previous war, according to an Israeli intelligence officer.

One Western military official said that most of the explosives that Hamas is using in its war with Israel appear to have been manufactured using unexploded Israeli-launched munitions.

One example, the official said, was an explosive booby trap that killed 10 Israeli soldiers in December.

Hamas cannot manufacture everything. Some things are easier to buy from the black market and smuggle into Gaza.

Sinai, the largely uninhabited desert region between Israel, Egypt and the Gaza Strip, remains a hub for arms smuggling.

Weapons from conflicts in Libya, Eritrea and Afghanistan have been discovered in Sinai, according to Israeli intelligence assessments.

According to two Israeli intelligence officials, at least a dozen small tunnels were still running between Gaza and Egypt before Oct 7.

A spokesperson for the Egyptian government said its military had done its part to shut down tunnels on its side of the border. “Many of the weapons currently inside the Gaza Strip are the result of smuggling from within Israel,” the spokesperson said in an email.

But the besieged streets of Gaza are increasingly a source of weapons.

Israel estimates that it has conducted at least 22,000 strikes on Gaza since Oct 7. Each often involves multiple rounds, meaning tens of thousands of munitions have likely been dropped or fired – and thousands failed to detonate.

“Artillery, hand grenades, other munitions – tens of thousands of unexploded ordnance will be left after this war,” said Mr Charles Birch, the head of the UN Mine Action Service in Gaza. These “are like a free gift to Hamas.” NYTIMES

There's really no stopping this. Israel drops more bombs in any modern conflict, a bunch fail to detonate and end up being used by Hamas to fight back the Israelis. The IDF is such a loving Keystone Kops operation that has been relying on their reputation from the 1967 war, when their army is so poorly trained that they can't keep their loving armories from getting looted. And they want to kick the Palestinians into the Sinai, where they will just get even more access to black market arms.

There is no military solution for Israel.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

It's been overshadowed by Gaza, but Israeli real estate developers and settlers have been encroaching into the Armenian Quarter of Jerusalem for months now. There's been a land deal between the Armenian Patriarch Nourhan Manougian and Australian developer Danny Rothman and his company, Xana Gardens, to buy the Cow's Garden area of the Quarter for a hotel entertainment complex. The Armenian community, who have lived there for 1600 years, didn't take this lightly and protested against the deal and it took Jordan and the Palestinian Authority threat to revoke the recognition of the Patriarchate, which forced the Patriarch to relented in late October.

Since then, Israeli settlers have been assaulting Armenians, tearing down fences, and attempt to bulldoze sections of the Quarter. Here's a thread I caught off Bluesky, with links to the news articles mentioned in the thread.


https://www.newarab.com/investigations/israeli-firm-attack-jerusalems-armenians

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/11/24/we-wont-leave-armenians-in-jerusalem-push-back-against-armed-settlers

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israeli-settlers-jerusalem-take-over-armenian-quarter-force


https://www.newarab.com/investigations/ben-gvir-associate-settlers-intimidate-jerusalem-armenians

https://www.newarab.com/analysis/how-secret-land-sales-threaten-jerusalems-armenian-quarter

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/06/jerusalems-armenian-community-fears-erasure-after-controversial-land-deal/

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Israel is looking to expand the war into Egypt, with their media manufacturing consent for a war with Egypt.
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-786386

quote:

Egypt may become an unstoppable enemy for Israel, former IDF general warns
"For years, they've been building highways into Sinai. We're the target. They're not building the army for anywhere else," retired Major General Yitzhak Brik said.

At the beginning of the program on 103FM, Arel Segal and the guest presenter, retired Major-General Yitzhak Brik, discussed the progress of the fighting in the Gaza Strip and the weakening of Hamas.

"There are reports that the head of the Mossad is formulating the Israeli response to the mediators' proposals, although it is unclear if there is a coherent strategy in light of Hamas's response," said Segal. "How can we advance here before we're in a military event? The issue of the hostages is a strategic event."

He added further, "We see that the IDF's ability to tail Hamas is diminishing, as well as the level of operational mistakes. The question after today is very significant. There was a dream here from the perspective of those who managed the Hostage and Missing Families Forum, [but] the pressure on the government did not work."

In response, Brik argued, "Hamas still feels very strong. It is willing to give up homes and people who are killed, but it feels that we are not likely to topple it. Therefore, it uses cynical language, it does not want to reach an agreement on the hostages. They have time. To weaken their capabilities - it seems we are not approaching it. Hamas will continue to exist."

Regarding the fighting in the Philadelphi Corridor and in Rafah, Brik said, "The Philadelphi Corridor, we all know we have evacuations from Sinai under the corridor. The IDF did not want to sit along this corridor for the next few years because it did not have the power to do so and because there would be many casualties, so it hoped that the Egyptians would do it.

“But today, there is a very big problem with Egypt. They are not ready to do it in our place. They also do not agree for us to do it from this side of the corridor, and they threaten that if we start doing various things that will cause masses to cross into Sinai, then they will stop the peace.

"Although it's a poor country, it's the strongest army in the Middle East today - 4,000 tanks, 2,000 modern ones, hundreds of the most advanced aircraft, and a navy of the best there is.

For years, they've been building highways into Sinai. We're the target. They're not building the army for anywhere else. This means one decision to cancel peace, they become an enemy state, and we don't even have a brigade to stand against it."

This is the same day, that Sisi in Egypt formally advised Netanyahu that they will seek to withdrawal from the Camp David Accords if Israel invades Rafah.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

We need to stop giving Israel money and weapons. I know that won't make all the weapons we've already given them magically go away, that damage can't be undone, but it's inexcusable to keep supplying them.

Actually, the way Israel is using munitions, it would appear to magically go away for them.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Paladinus posted:

What's the source? I can't make out the expiration date or the TG channel.



Not really going to defend the Biden admin's decision to drop only 38,000 to feed up to 2 million people, but the expiration date say July 2026.

Also, given the "Made In Jordan" label on the can, I believe this is probably from the Jordanian airdrops that have been happening since November. Could be mistaken since I'm seeing that the 38,000 meals were apparently a joint US/Jordanian project, but I would expect that US airdrops would be the "pink MRE" Humanitarian Daily Rations, which already have a menu formulated for Muslim dietary restrictions. Maybe they used Jordanian stocks or this was the only one just photographed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_daily_ration

Randalor posted:

"You see a movie about an oppressed people rising up against their cruel occupiers, immediately identify with the occupiers, and then begin making excuses for why your occupation is fine, you are a terrible human being and it disgusts me that we are associated in any way." with the "Hans, are we the baddies" image attached?

Anyone who has followed the books can tell you that you probably shouldn't be identifying with the Harkonnens, goddamn, at all. Not only are they a culture of loving incestual child-raping cheats and schemers whose motto is "cruelty is the point", but the whole House stops existing after the first book, Paul wiping their memory from the universe. I am pretty sure the Israelis don't want either associations.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

cat botherer posted:

If that happens, both the Biden administration and the Israelis will chalk it up to a whoopsie-daisy like they did with the USS Liberty incident.

idk, the USS Liberty incident was just one ship in a long line of U.S. naval intelligence assets getting attacked in possibly neutral waters that resulted in diplomatic instead of open warfare. The USS Pueblo got captured by North Korea a year later: the crew was tortured, with the captain subject to mock executions, and a sailor died in captivity before the U.S. State Department issued an apology, which contributed to LBJ withdrawing from the '68 election. Then we had the Hainan incident in 2001, where a P-5 Orion surveillance aircraft collided with a Chinese interceptor, killing the Chinese pilot and resulting in the Orion aircrew bailing out and getting captured by the Chinese, who were released following a "not-apology" apology from the Bush administration. A big difference in these and the Liberty is the Israelis admitted to their mistake, made a formal apology and provided restitution to the sailors and families of those killed, which is why no one really talks about it.

I do think if the Israelis attacked a U.S.-led humanitarian operation would end up differently than a "oops, my bad" apology, especially with a good portion of the American population already fired up due to the Gaza genocide. What would more likely happen is Israel would blame American deaths on Hamas while adding salt to the wound that the U.S. shouldn't have butted in and the media would play along with "Hamas F-16s In False Flag Livery Bomb US Navy Sailors With Stolen American Bombs!"

It's also likely the pier is bullshit, too, since an incident between American military and the Israelis would be disastrous to Biden and make him appear weak.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

socialsecurity posted:

Someone else committing a crime doesn't reduce accountability for the crime someone commits that not how accountability works. What US president has had a policy of NOT selling weapons to Israel? Like lay this out for me, would Bush be defying the MIC here? Trump? Clinton?

Imagine how much money the MIC could make if they sold arms to both the Israelis and the Palestinians.

Unironically, I think that would be the only way out of this mess. I'm reminded that part of the peace process in the Camp David Accords was supplying both foreign and military aid to both signatories, Egypt and Israel, and the promise to kick the rear end of the one nation that decided to start a fight between them.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

I'm guessing something set off Bibi and the Likudniks because now the JP is claiming that Biden is looking to overthrow Netanyahu.
https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1767680776512897318

quote:

The Biden administration is attempting to overthrow Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government, a senior Israeli political official said on Tuesday night.

“We expect our friends to act to overthrow the terror regime of Hamas and not the elected government in Israel,” the official said, in reaction to the annual Threat Assessment report which warned that Netanyahu’s coalition could be replaced by a more moderate one.

“Netanyahu’s viability as [a] leader as well as his governing collation of far-right and ultra-orthodox parties that pursue hardline policies on Palestinian and security issues may be in doubt,” the US said in the report.

“Distrust of Netanyahu’s ability to rule has deepened and broadened across the public from its already high levels before the war,” it stated.

“We expect large protests demanding his resignation and new elections. A different, more moderate government is a possibility,” the report stated.

The senior official retorted that “Israeli citizens, and not anyone else, elect the prime minister. Israel is not a protectorate of the US but an independent and democratic country whose citizens are the ones who choose the government.”

The 41-page report was compiled in February and published only on March 11, as a diplomatic feud has grown between Netanyahu and Biden over Netanyahu's Gaza policies.

It began in earnest on Thursday when Biden was overheard saying that there needs to be a “come to Jesus meeting” with Netanyahu. It was followed by his comments to MSNBC on Sunday in which he stated that Netanyahu’s policies were harming Israel.

The comments, which fell in line with those in the report, come as Biden’s reelection campaign is heating up, with voters in the left flank of the Democratic Party accusing the President of supporting genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.

Attacks against Netanyahu, allow Biden to cater to voters opposed to the war while allowing him to maintain his strong support for Israel and its people.

In a virtual address to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, Netanyahu said on Tuesday, “I deeply appreciate, the support we've received from President Biden and the administration and I hope it will continue.”

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply