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Can someone explain the similarities / differences between the BDS movement and the Palestinian Authority's boycott of products made beyond the green line? Differences / similarities in causes / aims?
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Main Paineframe posted:Original refugees and their descendants, per the internationally recognized definition of "refugee", obviously. It's never had any other meaning.
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Dec 20, 2015 17:00
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skeet decorator posted:Yes it does. At best, we're talking about a practical policy of "ok, people stuck in refugee camps are refugees". (Which is the reason why Arab nations make sure to keep their Palestinian population in refugee camps, so the everything is working exactly as intended)
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Dec 21, 2015 05:45
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skeet decorator posted:In this case it does, they explicitly spell it out : quote:Thus, a dependant member of a refugee family may be a national of the country of asylum or of another country, and may enjoy that country’s protection. To grant him refugee status in such circumstances would not be called for. From which I still draw the conclusion that: Xander77 posted:At best, we're talking about a practical policy of "ok, people stuck in refugee camps are refugees".
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Dec 21, 2015 09:52
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Xander77 posted:Can someone explain the similarities / differences between the BDS movement and the Palestinian Authority's boycott of products made beyond the green line? Differences / similarities in causes / aims?
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Dec 27, 2015 03:28
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You're missing some quote marks for Merav, since the first part is a Bibi quote. ... The weird part is that The Lover has been on the curriculum for decades now, and it features the same content.
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Dec 31, 2015 08:25
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team overhead smash posted:Her death accomplished nothing, no greater cause was served and it was completely futile. Israel is no closer to ending its occupation and her family is no closer to getting out of a refugee camp.
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Jan 25, 2016 13:11
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MonsieurChoc posted:I've never seen the Communist victims of the Holocaust mentioned. Ever. Kim Jong Il posted:"A talkbacker" Xander77 fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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Feb 22, 2016 22:33
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Herzog is an embarrassing footnote in Labor's history, comparing him to Sharon who was for all intents and purposes a force of nature in Israeli politics is laughable. I'd cue the relevant Hartzufim link here, but you know - the Israeli internet, memory holes, etc. It's still far easier to get clips of Spitting Image (a show that aired 5 years earlier and aged far more poorly) than one of the few genuinely popular and hard-hitting bits of Israeli satire. ... Ytlaya posted:There's also the fact that 5 million out of 11 million is a kind of big percent. He might have a point if 95% of those killed were Jewish, but the percent that wasn't Jewish is large enough that it's really hosed up to only specifically mention Jewish people when discussing the Holocaust.
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Feb 24, 2016 03:40
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emanresu tnuocca posted:delusional and provocative
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Feb 25, 2016 21:44
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Main Paineframe posted:lol Soldiers. "Security forces" also refers to soldiers. Edit - you know what a really goddamned pertinent question to bring into the I/P discussion? Gun control.
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Feb 25, 2016 22:25
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Main Paineframe posted:"A very large percentage of stabbing attacks was stopped by armed bystanders shooting the attacker? Guess that's the success we're going to reinforce".
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Feb 25, 2016 22:52
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Xandu posted:whyyy
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FreshlyShaven posted:
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Mar 24, 2016 03:59
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I don't think that's actually how anyone thinks. It probably comes down more to the moral outrage of western governments (ie, the representatives of the boycotters) providing so much support to Israel. This also means that a change of policy from our own governments could have a huge effect on the situation, making it a cause that is more likely to succeed than boycotting some random rogue state that won't care.
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Mar 24, 2016 05:40
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emanresu tnuocca posted:
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Mar 27, 2016 10:29
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Just met a two-man "save the soldier" demonstration at the central bus station. Always interesting how these things devolve into "we're here to protect every jewish life and btw is you disagree we're not going to protect you - god bless and go die in Poland". Should I post a cell phone photo or do you get the picture regardless?
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Mar 28, 2016 11:42
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Goddamn it Gabe. Three games worth of character development wasted, and you're back to being a douchebag. Grace really should have left you to die.
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Apr 8, 2016 21:18
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Two links of interest that aren't hidden behind a paywall: We can rely on our youth. I wonder if there's some sort of a connection between those opinions that the writer openly supports, and those he has to pretend he disapproves of. Truly a mystery for the ages. ... Can anyone tell me whether this (old) opinion piece about Israel supposedly working with ISIS makes sense?
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Apr 13, 2016 22:35
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emanresu tnuocca posted:El'or Azaria, the executioner from Tel Rumeyda, has been officially indicted with manslaughter by the military prosecutor.
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Apr 14, 2016 13:56
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Main Paineframe posted:It's Holocaust Remembrance Day, so let's all have a moment of silence to remember (I think I might be stealing an Ephraim Kishon bit here, but I can't turn it up online. Pretty sure I got it from some early 2000's Yediot Aharonot think piece which really struck a chord)
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May 7, 2016 15:53
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Svartvit posted:You can't just accuse someone of peddling conspiracy theory just because you don't agree with someone else's assessment of an event that is in no way resolved one way or another. Also stop using "the government says it is" as your only argument. At least contribute. By the same reasoning, the US armed forces must be ruled by a murderous hatred of Commonwealth troops, as they've killed more of the latter than any other nation since the 1950's (yes, that includes the Falklands war). Seriously, hearing "friendly fire must be the result of intentional planning" from American soldiers is really loving ludicrous.
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May 18, 2016 03:53
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Ultramega posted:This has started a thread derail hasn't it. I'm sorry. But, the evidence is a little more compelling than "vague nefarious jewish plans" and how does attacking US naval property improve diplomatic standing? quote:I'll try to dig up the relevant parts and PM them to you if you have that. Bear Retrieval Unit posted:
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May 18, 2016 21:42
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Liberman is gonna be the minister of defense. gently caress this dumb country.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Care to elucidate Xander77? Far be it from me to kink-shame. The literal Russian translation is "[back] to your hosed mother" which depending on context might mean "gently caress your mom", "got back to your mom, whom I just hosed" or "your mom who exists in such a singular state of fuckedness I don't even feel the need to specify". "Back to your mothers vagina" is an interpretation that I have not encountered in the past. Of course, loan-phrases generally have only a tenuous connection to their original meaning. As a Russian speaker, the abbreviated Israeli version, which is pronounced differently, is not much more offensive than "go to hell", which is what it generally means in Hebrew parlance. Hope that was an exhaustive and satisfying lecture on this very important subject. Xander77 fucked around with this message at 19:04 on May 19, 2016 |
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May 19, 2016 18:35
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Pope Guilty posted:Isn't Avigdor Lieberman the guy whip had that line about African Jews not agreeing that Israel is for the white man or something to that effect? "Israel is for the white man" is by Eli Yishai, a Shas representative. Shas, by the by, is the party who had a "we are the blacks of Israeli" election slogan. In 2004.
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May 20, 2016 03:54
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Kajeesus posted:Who was it that wanted to solve the Gaza problem by setting up a handful of camps into which Gazans could be concentrated, without a shred of irony? It wasn't Lieberman, was it? You're thinking of Friedman.
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May 20, 2016 23:47
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Would it be accurate to state that the Apartheid situation - a number of theoretically independent "bantustan" states under the actual control of a different state - is what the Israeli side was thinking of as a viable compromise / improvement during the peace talks?
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Jul 6, 2016 06:50
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Main Paineframe posted:They're not, but the haredi tend to have disproportionate political influence for various reasons. In national politics, the non-haredi right-wing parties can't quite command a majority on their own, so in order to maintain control they need someone else in their coalition, and they'd rather deal with the haredi than left-wingers or Arabs. Since they're reliant on the haredi to maintain control over the government, the haredi are able to demand support for their policies (even though they make up a minority of the Knesset) in return for agreeing to back Likud on most other things.
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So your point limiting "can't quite command a majority on their own" to "non-haredi right-wing parties" was rubbish? (Also, Shas isn't the only Haredi party. And you can count the number of coalitions that did not include a haredi party on the fingers of one hand. A horribly maimed hand, if you start after 76)
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So, just to be clear: Every time an "alt right" character quotes from the Talmud on the subject of Gentiles, they're probably not making poo poo up? Cat Mattress posted:You probably should have used this link instead, it's in English. Xander77 fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Sep 16, 2016 |
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Sep 16, 2016 19:48
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Regarde Aduck posted:It's paragraphs upon paragraphs by some Rabbi just to say "yeah it's ok to kill a gentile". Somehow I don't think this is mainstream.
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Sep 17, 2016 22:48
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Al-Saqr posted:Good. 
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Dabir posted:Who?
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Sep 29, 2016 20:28
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Main Paineframe posted:While the IDF top leadership officially disapproves of unnecessary shootings, there's also a definite policy of cover-ups and handling incidents quietly with slaps on the wrist to avoid them becoming public, and many lower commanders have demonstrated their willingness to back such shootings. ANIME AKBAR posted:The Hamas Charter is irrelevant. It's like criticizing the US for originally having a lovely constitution that allowed slavery, etc. If said charter doesn't matter, then it should be revised. If it cannot be revised, then you can't blame people for assuming Hamas' present and future actions are / will be dictated by said charter. If it cannot be revised because said revision would infuriate the many Hamas members and Palestinian citizens who subscribe to what said charter says, well...
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Sep 30, 2016 16:12
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Main Paineframe posted:
http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/3257.htm whoopsie daisy. Xander77 fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Sep 30, 2016 |
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Sep 30, 2016 16:42
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icantfindaname posted:So because there are people in Tunisia who are racist against Jews, the Zionist ethnic cleansing of Palestine is OK, or at least something that you can't really criticize consistently?
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Sep 30, 2016 16:53
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Main Paineframe posted:Read the transcript you posted I could have used a crayon to clarify which sections are relevant and "who's saying what", but... ok, relying on this thread to be anything other than willfully dense was kinda stupid of me, I'll admit that.
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Sep 30, 2016 17:10
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Nevvy Z posted:If your point is that the leader of Hamas doesn't like Israel very much... well... I'd say he's got his reasons. Cat Mattress posted:some Hamas dude? Main Paineframe posted:Why don't you put some effort in and explain it to us? I don't see a single instance of a Palestinian calling for the deaths of Jews in that heavily edited and pruned transcript. Put in some effort, rather than just linking to a vague, drawn-out quote from a source notorious for cherrypicking and misrepresenting and then expecting us to divine your specific argument from that. So. Well, I could try clarifying things, just for you benefit, buuuuuuuuuuut.... It's a discussion that all took place on this very page. If you're too loving dense to follow my clearly stated arguments from: Xander77 posted:If said charter doesn't matter, then it should be revised. If it cannot be revised, then you can't blame people for assuming Hamas' present and future actions are / will be dictated by said charter. If it cannot be revised because said revision would infuriate the many Hamas members and Palestinian citizens who subscribe to what said charter says, well... to: Xander77 posted:[Ismail Haniyeh] is telling people that Hamas sticks by its principles - it is committed to liberating Then how would any clarification I could possibly make help you out? Xander77 fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Sep 30, 2016 |
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Sep 30, 2016 17:37
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team overhead smash posted:I think that the Hamas charter isn't totally irrelevant as it's continuing existence is an indication that although Hamas has become more accommodating to Israel over the years, it still contains enough hard-line elements that it can't get rid of it. Apparently there are some to whom efforts to understand are just nefarious Jew-ey preparations for a genocide.
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team overhead smash posted:If you want to know where Hamas stands that's fine, but that's not what you're doing when you focus solely on a 30 year old document to the exclusion of all else. I'm just wondering who you consider to be the non-hardliner elements in the Hamas, and what their position is on the liberation of Palestine. Edit - Do you know how I know what Meretz or Labor or Hadash envision as a just and peaceful solution to the conflict? I listen to what they say. I've listened to a number of Hamas "factions" and they all appear to envision the same ideal solution to the conflict - all of Palestine, coast to coast, liberated from the Zionist occupiers. Some, being less "hardline" are willing to accept that a limited autonomy or independence for certain areas of Palestine would be a good first step towards said ideal liberation. I'm not unwilling to imagine that a truce based on said non-ideal solution could evolve into a lasting and fair peace. It's a possibility, probably. But if you're telling me that there are elements - or even a majority - within the Hamas who believe that sharing the land with Jews is the ideal solution they should aspire to, rather than a compromise or a temporary first step, you'd have to present some evidence that that is the case. Because Meretz and Hadash, above, do in fact clearly state that sharing Israeli territory with the Palestinian people, whether in a single state or two-states agreement, is the ideal solution they are aspiring to. Xander77 fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Sep 30, 2016 |
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