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Friedman's weird. The Lexus and the Olive Tree is actually a pretty good book, but literally everything else I've seen him write is way more right-wing and way less willing to admit the problems that global capitalism is responsible for. Maybe 9/11 hosed up his personal politics, I dunno.
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It's less political than incoherent and colossally stupid. I was calling Friedman an idiot here for years before Taibbi started making fun of him.
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# ? Feb 12, 2016 04:20 |
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Ytlaya posted:I'm confused as to how any human being with a functioning brain could believe something like "if Palestinians did the right thing instead of terrorism they could be an economic powerhouse!" And I don't mean this as an insult; I'm honestly curious about what goes on inside of the head of someone who believes something like that. When someone brings up stuff like Israeli blockades, what goes through their head? The blockade is because of the poor relationship between Israel and Hamas, and it's safe to say it wouldn't be in effect (and Gaza's economy would be allowed to function) if Hamas was more cooperative. That said, despite the lack of blockade, it's not like the West Bank is exactly an economic powerhouse either - it functions largely as a source of cheap goods and cheaper labor for Israel.
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Ariel stands nude before me. A vast aquiline manatee darkened by the Negev sun. I dream of his hoodless cock. The beefsteak red of it, its crown of veins. He's a mountain. I'm climbing Everest! I drive my pickaxe into his summit (rear end), by the way I'm wearing a dildo. I'm a dildo dingo. I'm a lemon grove growing in potato soil. My breasts are spreading out like melted butter. My clitoris is a red-hot ghost chilli. A rocket explodes into the wall of my temple. Arik! Arik! Must I dream of you all my life?
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Avshalom posted:Ariel stands nude before me. A vast aquiline manatee darkened by the Negev sun. I dream of his hoodless cock. The beefsteak red of it, its crown of veins. He's a mountain. I'm climbing Everest! I drive my pickaxe into his summit (rear end), by the way I'm wearing a dildo. I'm a dildo dingo. I'm a lemon grove growing in potato soil. My breasts are spreading out like melted butter. My clitoris is a red-hot ghost chilli. A rocket explodes into the wall of my temple. Arik! Arik! Must I dream of you all my life?
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Avshalom posted:Ariel stands nude before me. A vast aquiline manatee darkened by the Negev sun. I dream of his hoodless cock. The beefsteak red of it, its crown of veins. He's a mountain. I'm climbing Everest! I drive my pickaxe into his summit (rear end), by the way I'm wearing a dildo. I'm a dildo dingo. I'm a lemon grove growing in potato soil. My breasts are spreading out like melted butter. My clitoris is a red-hot ghost chilli. A rocket explodes into the wall of my temple. Arik! Arik! Must I dream of you all my life? same
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It's amazing how hard the Clinton admin pushed for something like this, and now it's effectively a non-story. Strategically, I think it's probably a mistake due to the fundamental instability of most of these regimes. http://www.timesofisrael.com/time-to-publicize-secret-ties-with-arab-states-netanyahu-says/ quote:Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday said it was time for Israel to make public its covert ties with Arab states, hours after his defense minister touted the same secret relationships.
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# ? Feb 14, 2016 23:01 |
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The Israelis and Saudis working together is almost too perfect of a relationship
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FlamingLiberal posted:The Israelis and Saudis working together is almost too perfect of a relationship Both contestants for "most useless US ally".
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FlamingLiberal posted:The Israelis and Saudis working together is almost too perfect of a relationship It's almost been an open secret. Nothing really new.
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Ehud Olmert is in the clink and avshalom is the best poster on SA.
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hakimashou posted:avshalom is the best poster on the internet
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# ? Feb 16, 2016 07:37 |
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UK castrates BDS: Putting a stop to public procurement boycotts Guidance published today makes clear that procurement boycotts by public authorities are inappropriate, outside where formal legal sanctions, embargoes and restrictions have been put in place by the government. [ ... ] Town hall boycotts undermine good community relations, poisoning and polarising debate, weakening integration and fuelling anti-Semitism. No poo poo.
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# ? Feb 17, 2016 18:41 |
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Oops, looks like the right-wing extremism is coming from inside the house! But that's not really what I want to talk about today. What's getting my goose right now is the form of Holocaust denial nobody talks about : a denial that anyone besides Jews died in the Holocaust. It's not really directly related to Israel, but it's something that comes up a lot in the Israeli news and it never fails to piss me the hell off. While the fact that six million Jews were killed in the Holocaust as part of a systematic campaign of extermination is common knowledge, the total number of civilians killed as part of the Holocaust was around eleven million - in addition to the 6 million Jews, millions of Roma, Slavs, and other smaller groups were also targeted for systematic extermination. Those 5 million "forgotten victims" are surprisingly controversial, often sidelined or outright ignored - many Holocaust memorials marginalize or outright exclude them. But to many, any attempt to remember those five million non-Jews is an unforgiveable act of anti-Semitism, an evil conspiracy to deJudaicize the Holocaust. quote:Holocaust remembrance without Jews? Canada’s new prime minister, Liberal Party leader Justin Trudeau, gave it a try. His seven-sentence official statement on International Day of Commemoration in Memory of the Victims of the Holocaust, January 27 mentioned “millions of victims,” “the Holocaust” and “Nazis.” Just not Jews.
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IIRC, before the "Final Solution" was decided during the war, the first prisoners of what would become the Death Camps were political dissidents.
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TheImmigrant posted:UK castrates BDS: Putting a stop to public procurement boycotts
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quote:But assertions to the effect that the Holocaust represented “man’s inhumanity to man” rather than, primarily, “man’s inhumanity to the Jews” amounted to historical hijacking.
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Cat Mattress posted:So basically they're saying that the Jews are a separate category from human beings, if they are not included by the former formulation and need the latter instead? No, the problem is that it's not enough for Jews to be "included" as just one of many groups targeted for extermination, because then (as the article complains about) "Holocaust victims" won't just mean "Jews". Those people's fear is that Jews will no longer be the special victims of WWII, and that they will no longer be able to claim the Holocaust as uniquely and essentially Jewish. They don't want it to be "eleven million", they want it to be "six million Jews and five million others" - and leaving out the five million altogether is considered to be a small price to pay to avoid the possibility of the second phrase morphing into the first one. The intended result is simple: quote:Whenever I would say that my parents were survivors of the Holocaust, people would look at me oddly and say, “Oh, I didn’t know you were Jewish?” The impression I got was that people were not aware of any other Holocaust victims except Jews. When people hear about the Holocaust, they don't think "crime against humanity" or "crime against a number of different groups", they think "crime against the Jewish people". It's thanks to perceptions like this that, for example, no one knows that gay Holocaust survivors were re-imprisoned by the West German government after the war (since homosexuality was still illegal in West Germany) and were not made eligible for Holocaust reparations until 2000.
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Main Paineframe posted:When people hear about the Holocaust, they don't think "crime against humanity" or "crime against a number of different groups", they think "crime against the Jewish people". It's thanks to perceptions like this that, for example, no one knows that gay Holocaust survivors were re-imprisoned by the West German government after the war (since homosexuality was still illegal in West Germany) and were not made eligible for Holocaust reparations until 2000. It sounds weird to say, but yeah it never stops bothering me how so many people want to hijack the holocaust solely for "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE JEWS?" when hey, so does gay suffering, handicapped suffering and so on just get to take the back seat here? If so, for how long? Just trying to figure out how much or apparently how little I should care about the "other" people who also suffered, then in many cases continued to suffer afterwards as well. I'm just a simple gay idiot on the internet, but I'd like to think that people like me being slaughtered matters just the same as any other, you know. Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Feb 19, 2016 |
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I've never seen the Communist victims of the Holocaust mentioned. Ever.
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Main Paineframe posted:But that's not really what I want to talk about today. What's getting my goose right now is the form of Holocaust denial nobody talks about : a denial that anyone besides Jews died in the Holocaust. Now lecture us about all those white victims of lynching(there were a significant number, fwiw) in the Jim Crow South and the insidious plot by historians to portray victims of lynching as exclusively black. MonsieurChoc posted:I've never seen the Communist victims of the Holocaust mentioned. Ever. Given that you are aware of Communist victims of the Holocaust then it is obviously true that you have seen them mentioned. Unless you were randomly guessing(i.e. "I've never seen the philatelist victims mentioned!") of course.
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The Insect Court posted:Now lecture us about all those white victims of lynching(there were a significant number, fwiw) in the Jim Crow South and the insidious plot by historians to portray victims of lynching as exclusively black. This is totally different from for example sweeping the Roma who died in the Holocaust under the rug, who as a group were just as persecuted and used as scapegoats as the Jews
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Torrannor posted:This is totally different from for example sweeping the Roma who died in the Holocaust under the rug, who as a group were just as persecuted and used as scapegoats as the Jews
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The Insect Court posted:Now lecture us about all those white victims of lynching(there were a significant number, fwiw) in the Jim Crow South and the insidious plot by historians to portray victims of lynching as exclusively black. You realize we can read Main Painframe's post too right, that's not just a bug on your end? Like the part where he expands on that statement by talking about other marginalized minorities like gay people that were victims of the Holocaust. Are you saying gay people in Nazi Germany were a privileged majority a la white southerners?
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There isn't really a distinction now between Herzog and 2005 Ariel Sharon, which I enjoy, but others may find distressing. Amir Peretz has rejoined the party in an attempt to ally with Yacimovich to take down Herzog, and now this. http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Labor-MK-slams-fing-Herzog-for-delusional-diplomatic-plan-442860 quote:LMK Hilik Bar, issued surprisingly fierce criticism of his party head, Isaac Herzog, in an audio tape revealed Tuesday evening by Channel 2. Herzog's plan: finish the fence and use it to impose permanent borders, withdrawing from the rest of the West Bank. He wants to de-merge Arab villages beyond the Green Line annexed to Jerusalem in 1967, and put them beyond the fence. Logistically, the key challenge with this idea is you can't do it and then keep Ariel, it needs to be lopped off to reap the benefits from compact borders.
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MonsieurChoc posted:I've never seen the Communist victims of the Holocaust mentioned. Ever. Kim Jong Il posted:"A talkbacker" Xander77 fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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Kim Jong Il posted:Herzog's plan: finish the fence and use it to impose permanent borders, withdrawing from the rest of the West Bank. He wants to de-merge Arab villages beyond the Green Line annexed to Jerusalem in 1967, and put them beyond the fence. Logistically, the key challenge with this idea is you can't do it and then keep Ariel, it needs to be lopped off to reap the benefits from compact borders.
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Herzog is an embarrassing footnote in Labor's history, comparing him to Sharon who was for all intents and purposes a force of nature in Israeli politics is laughable.
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Torrannor posted:for example sweeping the Roma who died in the Holocaust under the rug I agree that we should not attempt to erase the killings by the Nazis of disabled people or gypsies (or Slovenes or Freemasons or homosexuals or Spanish Republicans) from history. quote:who as a group were just as persecuted and used as scapegoats as the Jews Ludicrously incorrect.
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I'd be interested in hearing why you think that the idea of the Roma people being as persecuted and scapegoated as the Jewish people is "ludicrously incorrect."
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uninterrupted fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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Main Paineframe posted:The blockade is because of the poor relationship between Israel and Hamas, and it's safe to say it wouldn't be in effect (and Gaza's economy would be allowed to function) if Hamas was more cooperative. That said, despite the lack of blockade, it's not like the West Bank is exactly an economic powerhouse either - it functions largely as a source of cheap goods and cheaper labor for Israel. I'm pretty sure the Gaza blockade was put into effect before Hamas seized power(with devastating economic impact; look at the Gaza greenhouses), though it certainly got much harsher when Hamas took control of the strip. Also, it's not as though Israel has ever rewarded Hamas for moderating its position; when Hamas was in talks with the PA to form a unity government(which would be beholden to the laws of the PA, including a ban on the use of violence against Israel), Israel never supported such a move and in fact, helped sabotage talks by unilaterally breaking the ceasefire and opening a bloody assault on Gaza. And let's not forget how Israel repaid Hamas for stopping rocket attacks by launching Cast Lead, killing roughly a thousand civilians and causing untold damage to Gaza's already underdeveloped infrastructure. Sure, Hamas is pretty bad, but the idea that Gaza wouldn't be subject to collective punishment or economic warfare if it weren't for Hamas' intransigence is just fantasy. Nor has Israel ever even considered giving sovereignty, including the ability to control its own borders, to any Palestinian entity. Under the Camp David proposal for instance, the semi-autonomous bantustan(s) that would constitute Palestine wouldn't even have control of the Palestine-Jordan border(nor would it control most of its natural resources.) It's pretty hard to believe that Israel has any interest in allowing Palestine to thrive.
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There's also the fact that 5 million out of 11 million is a kind of big percent. He might have a point if 95% of those killed were Jewish, but the percent that wasn't Jewish is large enough that it's really hosed up to only specifically mention Jewish people when discussing the Holocaust. Also one obvious explanation for the number of killed Roma being fewer than the number of killed Jewish people is that there were simply far fewer Roma to kill. All this being said, it is wrong to drawn a complete equivalence between the Jews and other persecuted groups during the period of the Holocaust. The amount of Nazi rhetoric aimed specifically at Jewish people far outweighed that aimed at other "undesirables." But this isn't really relevant to the topic of omitting mention of the non-Jewish victims of the Holocaust.
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uninterrupted posted:um, they were only a footnote when he studied the holocaust in high school, obviously that means they aren't as important. More like "Everyone still loving hates the Roma but jews not so much." It's always astounding just how much Europe stereotypes and despises them. In I/P news: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/23/netanyahu-israel-apartheid-tube-posters-removed-london The Guardian posted:The Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, has asked the UK government to remove hundreds of flyposters on London Underground trains put up by pro-Palestinian activists which claim that his country’s policies amount to apartheid.
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Ytlaya posted:Also one obvious explanation for the number of killed Roma being fewer than the number of killed Jewish people is that there were simply far fewer Roma to kill. It has more to do with the fact that the Nazis had a "exterminate on sight" policy for the Roma so their numbers are lessened due to the fact that fewer Roma were captured alive and sent to the camps.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Herzog is an embarrassing footnote in Labor's history, comparing him to Sharon who was for all intents and purposes a force of nature in Israeli politics is laughable. I'd cue the relevant Hartzufim link here, but you know - the Israeli internet, memory holes, etc. It's still far easier to get clips of Spitting Image (a show that aired 5 years earlier and aged far more poorly) than one of the few genuinely popular and hard-hitting bits of Israeli satire. ... Ytlaya posted:There's also the fact that 5 million out of 11 million is a kind of big percent. He might have a point if 95% of those killed were Jewish, but the percent that wasn't Jewish is large enough that it's really hosed up to only specifically mention Jewish people when discussing the Holocaust.
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jewish antiziganism is disgusting, wrong and also profoundly lacking in empathy and self-reflection. i consider it even more of a sin than gentile antiziganism, because it was only eighty years ago that we and the romani people were in the exact same situation and somehow we've all forgotten how that felt. about 75% of europe's romani people died in the holocaust. there weren't whole communities of lucky ones early on who managed to escape to safety like we did, so the culture didn't have those emigrant pockets where it could be protected until a new home was found for it. dialects and major lines died out completely and there's no historical record that they even existed in the first place. they don't have any written literature in those languages because they don't have a written language (until like 10 years ago). imagine if the jewish people didn't have ancient texts written in hebrew to piece together a working language from. imagine if those texts had never existed, and all the record we had of biblical hebrew was the prayers that we only learnt verbally - and then suddenly three quarters of us died, and we had to stay for the most part in europe where the persecution (never nazi level but always threatening to spike up there) continued until the current day. think about what that would do to us as people, how we could possibly recover and how hard we'd try to hold onto our culture and protect ourselves. it's still beyond our comprehension but we should be further along the road to understanding than the goyim are, yet the loudest and nastiest deniers of the romani victims of the holocaust are jewish and very frequently descendants of victims themselves. anyway i guess what i'm saying is shut the gently caress up the insect court
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Xander77 posted:Was he? After his military blunders, he was a nobody for the longest time, until lucking out into control of the party at its very lowest.
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my views on romani rights and holocaust recognition are 100% sincere and free from gimmick btw
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Avshalom posted:jewish antiziganism is disgusting, wrong and also profoundly lacking in empathy and self-reflection. i consider it even more of a sin than gentile antiziganism, because it was only eighty years ago that we and the romani people were in the exact same situation and somehow we've all forgotten how that felt. about 75% of europe's romani people died in the holocaust. there weren't whole communities of lucky ones early on who managed to escape to safety like we did, so the culture didn't have those emigrant pockets where it could be protected until a new home was found for it. dialects and major lines died out completely and there's no historical record that they even existed in the first place. they don't have any written literature in those languages because they don't have a written language (until like 10 years ago). imagine if the jewish people didn't have ancient texts written in hebrew to piece together a working language from. imagine if those texts had never existed, and all the record we had of biblical hebrew was the prayers that we only learnt verbally - and then suddenly three quarters of us died, and we had to stay for the most part in europe where the persecution (never nazi level but always threatening to spike up there) continued until the current day. think about what that would do to us as people, how we could possibly recover and how hard we'd try to hold onto our culture and protect ourselves. it's still beyond our comprehension but we should be further along the road to understanding than the goyim are, yet the loudest and nastiest deniers of the romani victims of the holocaust are jewish and very frequently descendants of victims themselves. anyway i guess what i'm saying is shut the gently caress up the insect court Seriosuly Avshalom this in general is beautiful. Actually speaking of the ROmani has there been ever an attempt to give them a homeland? (Maybe former Prussia after Law and Justice destroys Poland). Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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