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team overhead smash posted:Israel chooses to do them, but I think we can still recognise that rockets are a cause of a certain type of attack with that type of attack being the big ones involving mass bombing and artillery shelling that causes hundreds or thousands of civilian casualties sometimes supported by a large ground invasion. Every big attack by Israel on Palestine large enough to warrant a name like Protective Edge, Cast lead, Pillar of Defense, Autumn Clouds, Summer Rain, Days of Penitence, etc has been in response to Palestinian rockets- both chronologically and as the stated explanation for Israel's actions.
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Xander77 posted:I will note that insisting that it's Genocide - not discrimination, not occupation, not even apartheid, but full on genocide* had exactly this long term goal - of legitimizing any "resistance" as good and proper, and claiming nothing can actually get worse (or better) for Gaza, as Israel is already genociding all the inhabitants in a concentration camp. Also, a two state solution seems to have been made largely unworkable over the years, with Palestinian territory being chopped up into dozens of enclaves, and no one thinking it's realistic (or ethical) to deport over 700.000 colonists. It's gonna have to be one big state with jews having to learn to respect other people's democratic rights.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:in that image there's incredibly clear evidence of a large blast and you can see mattresses on cars and rugs off on the right side where people had reportedly been camping out in that area. the latter fact is not under contention by any side as far as I know or have seen. that there was a large blast on an area where civilians were staying doesn't appear to be in question in any meaningful way
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Now that we've gone from "the hospital was levelled" to "3 cars were damaged, cars 10 meters away were completely intact" I find it hard to believe this was an Israeli strike. Their bombs generally cause hugely more damage. Is there some much smaller bomb they use that could've caused it or is the most likely explanation now that it was a failed rocket launch?
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A big flaming stink posted:I personally think the most compelling evidence Israel did it was that the guy in charge of Israel's online propaganda took credit for the attack immediately after it happened.
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pro starcraft loser posted:So has this gone from 'Israel destroyed a hospital killing 500+' to 'something blew up the parking lot outside, death toll unknown'? We'll bring you more from their statement soon. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world...post_type=share
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https://x.com/NathanJRobinson/status/1714638868681494658?s=20 So we have confirmed Israeli bombings in the area, coupled with multiple Palestinian rocket launches in the area, and footage of a failed rocket...
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Hamas is claiming there's no shrapnel left of whatever hit the al-Ahli hospital, which seems suspect:quote:On Sunday, Hamas turned down requests by The Times to view any available evidence of the munition it said had struck the hospital, claiming that it had disintegrated beyond recognition.
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Ograbme posted:More than anything, the fact that this blast was accidentally 10x deadlier than all of the thousands of rockets Hamas has fired combined should make you reconsider the effectiveness of the "it was a rocket" theory. You can think a larger than average Palestinian rocket was needed, but I guess that would depend on how dense the crowd was, which we don't really know. The explosion was also always going to be very deadly, regardless, since people were out in the open. There's also the possibility that it was indeed a larger Palestinian rocket, which they do possess (but in smaller quantities).
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Josef bugman posted:Do you think that the Israeli state would have stuck to it? Look at what has happened in the time since and imagine if that would have been adhered to in any way shape or form.
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I said come in! posted:I don't understand how the hospital bombing is still in dispute, between the Israel tweet taking credit for the bombing, and the fake evidence that IDF has presented, it seems pretty clear cut? Neurolimal posted:The second one happens to be the one most controversial on the forums, and also probably shouldn't contaminate this thread. Will just say that I'm bearish on US's side, even before our attention splintered. CSM fucked around with this message at 09:40 on Oct 24, 2023 |
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Stanley Pain posted:Looks like nerve gas is back on the menu folks. It's a fourth hand bullshit rumour that doesn't make any sense, and the article has an awful, awful clickbait title to boot.
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TGLT posted:https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1724955393325937087
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https://twitter.com/StevenWagner85/status/1729426280255262770?t=0uY2iLr05RAhJVcjW6SDzg&s=19 https://twitter.com/StevenWagner85/status/1729426285082927510?t=tbtXKN-342-IhZ67fRfPFw&s=19 The extent of the Israeli intelligence failure on the 7/10 attacks is really impressive. The thread has some further details/translations: https://twitter.com/StevenWagner85/status/1729426305760845975?t=NzPF-mhudEU0HUDHTcK4KQ&s=19
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punishedkissinger posted:Im sure Hamas killed a lot of people at the festival, it seems unlikely they destroyed hundreds of vehicles though. Likely the IDF killed many civilians with their own indiscriminate fire which has been documented by numerous outlets.
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cat botherer posted:e.g.
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:Apparently per this Haaretz article: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...8e-d52f47ac0000 the IDF are only reporting around 15% of their casualties, based on the discrepancy between the IDF and israeli department of health. Full disclosure I'm basing this off a twitter summary of the article because I don't have a Haaretz account. Perhaps you shouldn't rely on Twitter summaries.
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moths posted:, the Mexican-Israeli actress posed as a Palestinian ER nurse. You shouldn't blindly believe everything you read online. Nucleic Acids posted:https://twitter.com/Lana_Tatour/status/1735747677521055794
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celadon posted:Additionally, friendly fire has been admitted to be a large fraction of the civilian casualties, and theres imagery of destruction at the kibbutz's that could not have been done with what Hamas had available, i.e. destruction of entire buildings by tank fire. Similarly, the IDF's use of gunning people down from helicopters with its difficulty to distinguish militants from civilians You don't need to deny Hamas's large scale atrocities on 10/7 to think Israel is bad.
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punishedkissinger posted:Its incredibly well documented in this very thread This is an outright lie. There are vague stories about some potential friendly fire casualties, or situations were IDF put civilians in danger. That doesn't conflate to actual large amount of civilians being killed due to friendly fire. But by all means, post your sources that clearly lead to that conclusion.
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Neurolimal posted:Hamas has released some statements, it seems the goal was:
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punishedkissinger posted:this is something the pro-IDF fantasists have fabricated without actual evidence. It's pretty funny by the way that you're immediately talking about Israeli propaganda, when I was replying to someone who was quoting literal Hamas propaganda. Earlier in this thread I challenged you to provide sources on the claim that 'a large fraction of civilian casualties' on 10/7 were killed by the IDF'. Are you still planning on sharing this with the thread?
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Szarrukin posted:Do you have any credible sources (not reprints of NYT bullshit) or it's just more "I'm totally not defending Israel here, BUT..." crap? 
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At least some sense from Biden: https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1779353729495413060?t=Q7HPOgnWDte7vfg3EV6y7g&s=19
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Red and Black posted:Israel attacked the Iranian consulate in Damascus, which international law dictates is Iranian territory.
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Butter Activities posted:"evacuating" Palestinians is also genocide in any reasonable interpretation of the word.
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