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Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Kalit posted:

Congrats on trusting a source that spreads misinformation at a 20% rate

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NewsGuard's long list of advisors includes marquee names from the federal government, including former homeland security secretary Tom Ridge, former undersecretary of state for public diplomacy Richard Stengel, and former Central Intelligence Agency director General Michael Hayden.

https://www.wired.com/story/newsguard-extension-fake-news-trust-score/
https://archive.ph/wCD52

Basic media literacy would have you look up who it is the report that is being quoted is published by. In this case it seems to be a spooked up propaganda apparatus of the American government.

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Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

socialsecurity posted:

So some advisors that used to work for the government and have gone private makes something "a spooked up propaganda apparatus of the American government" does this apply to other news agencies in other governments or some unique evil aura that emits from ex-American government employees?

Do you have any specific objections to the claims made in the report itself?

Calling an ex CIA director someone that used to work for the government seems disingenuous.

The report is bad because they seem to have searched a bunch of conspiracy theory type topics and used that to justify an overall rate of misinformation. If they searched for things like 'how to do addition' they would probably get a 99% + correct information rate.

Raenir Salazar posted:

Cyrano4747 who iirc is a historian who speaks/reads German and did a lot of research in German archives

I believe GDR archives.

Paladinus posted:

Just to clarify, Gerhard Schröder, the chancellor of Germany from 1998 to 2005, was born in 1944 and was not in fact a nazi. Gerhard Schröder, who held various ministerial positions from 1953 to 1969, was actually a member of NSDAP until he left the party in 1941.

Effectiveness of denazification aside, Germany paid compensations directly to Jewish victims of the Holocaust (over 63 billion euros), not just reparations to the state of Israel. Germany also had a huge Jewish immigration programme that attracted hundreds of thousands of Jews, primarily from ex-Soviet republics.

Germany obviously still struggles with atoning for its role in the biggest atrocity of the 20th century and far-right ideas are unfortunately far from dead there, but to say that its support of Israel is somehow primarily driven by anti-Semitism and nazi ideology is ludicrous.

Pretty weird to me to consider the Shoa specifically as the biggest atrocity of the 20th century when more than twice as many Russians were genocided. Apologies if this is not quite what you meant but it's the natural reading.

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Bar Ran Dun posted:

It was known well before the attacks in October 23 that Isreal always overreacts to an extreme degree. They knew before doing the attacks on the scale they did in Oct that the overreaction from Isreal would be extremely bad for everybody in Gaza. They might not have realized it would be genocide bad.

The Saudi’s / Egypt normalizing with Israel would have been an existential problem for Hamas as a group and that’s probably why it all happened.

I don't think that Hamas was destroyed 7 years before it was formed when Egypt normalized with Israel in 1980? If Egypt having normal diplomatic relations with Israel for the entirety of Hamas' existence has not been a problem (while they are currently a if not the major source of Hamas' weapons) then how would KSA and Israel normalization challenge the existence of the Islamic Resistance Movement?

Weka fucked around with this message at 01:54 on May 4, 2024

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