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Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.
Alright, I'm gonna go ahead, be that guy, and claim the USS Enterprise (CV-6) because holy poo poo, why would you not.

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Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

Galaga Galaxian posted:

Because by claiming it you've sealed Its dooooooom.

Hey, the nickname to live up to is 'grey ghost' not 'grey risk-adverse communist'

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

Saint Celestine posted:

I claim the HMCS Chilliwack.

A bold move, move, claiming a ship that never saw action in the Pacific for the entire duration of the war :v:

Personally I'd go with the HMCS Uganda (CL) every time if only because of the fact that it's the only ship in the entire war to have legally voted itself out of it after Germany was defeated. That was kind of a black eye for every other Canadian serving in the British Pacific Fleet. Too bad none of the British or Canadian stuff will really arrive until 1945/2020(!).

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.
American carriers confirmed for sunk

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

Grey Hunter posted:

Wait, I'm supposed to sink American ships this time around? Not the Japanese.

I thought this was going too well.

Old habits die hard

much like Battleship Row :v:

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.
I lust for ship death :unsmigghh:

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.
This loving LP is making me want to download the game again and give it another try :gonk:

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

Ikasuhito posted:

drat, and the Tennessee was one of the hardest ones hit.

It doesn't matter, it's going to be out for months for repairs and the US will seek terms within a year anyways. We'll sweep all remnants of decadent Western colonialism from the Pacific!

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.
The allied AI is doing better against GH than I am against the Japanese AI in my game :(

Although to be fair they haven't wandered into range of the Singapore Vildebeests yet.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

Ikasuhito posted:

I think its even worse than it seems. I think we've actually lost more transports to date than was lost in the entirety of the last attempt.

Out of curiosity I went back to check the old thread and compare notes (sorry for the scrutiny GH, no undue pressure intended :v:). I think it's fair to say that's mostly hyperbole.

~*Alternate Universe December 21st *~


Compared to our current universe December 21st:


In the alternoverse we've destroyed 100 more allied planes in A2A combat (:eyepop:) but are on pretty much the exact same track in terms of losses. Base points are also nearly identical, and Japanese ship losses are at around the same points value despite the current attempt having about ~10 more hulls lost. Here's the direct link to the old thread for the curious which mostly just proves that this is the one true timeline because we're using the nice map instead of default.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

ZekeNY posted:

It's a mixed bag, some of them are worthless, some are great. Raver Dave vs Luskan back in the beta testing days was wonderful, both for the content and the smack talk surrounding it.

I went through most of the AAR where the Japanese player takes over from someone else who totally mismanaged the campaign in mid 1942 and totally changes the momentum for a couple of months the other day. It's pretty readable because it's all screenshots and not text-dumps. This one, to be precise: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3549450

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

Yorkshire Tea posted:

Is there any sort of global map? I'm following what's going on on each front but I'm having trouble trying to put it together.

There's a strategic view in game, yeah. This LP could certainly benefit from the occasional doodles scribbled on a map in addition to the action shots, like where's the KB and what's the plan for the invasion bonus happy time?

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.
Also for some reason a whole bunch of Canadian Flower class corvettes which historically only ever saw service on Atlantic convoy duty show up in British Columbia in the game, which is weird to me given how exacting it is with the accuracy of other ships.

e: Here's the ship at hand, the HMS Thyme (K210) which was historically launched in October of 1941 and competed her first convoy run in November from Halifax to Liverpool before transferring to the Indian Ocean



I'm honestly impressed at the accuracy of your pilots that they were able to hit it so many times, and it was brand new! All that fresh paint at the bottom of the harbour.

Generation Internet fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Jan 3, 2016

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

CannonFodder posted:

Will today be the first miss? :ohdear:

By GH's time, it's already a miss, but there's always Hawaii time :v:

TildeATH posted:

It looks like Grey Hunter has made another stratigic mistake in trying to pull off this day-by-day again. He defiantly won't make this update.

:golfclap:

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

Drone posted:

Mine served on an airplane tender in the Pacific (that is actually modelled in WITP but doesn't show up until 1944).

Grey's probably gonna be sinking a lot of peoples' grandpas in this LP.

Is JFK in the game? I know a lot of other named historical figures are kicking around as pilots and commanders. That could be a fun mini-Japanese victory.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

ZombieLenin posted:

Fun fact about my grandfather, just before the war he was on a minesweeper stationed in Argentina Newfoundland, and he and his engineering crew was slated to be transferred to the Reuben James. Less than a month before she was torpedoed his staff was transferred and he wasn't because his XO didn't want to let him go.

At that moment he was pissed because all his men--and friends left for that ship; however, had his XO not "screwed" him he would have died and I wouldn't be here as all of the engineering staff on the Rueben James died when she was torpedoed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99meH14y03I

quote:

“The Sinking of the Reuben James” is a song by Woody Guthrie about the sinking of the U.S. convoy escort, the Reuben James, which was the first U.S. naval ship sunk by German U-boats in World War II. Woody Guthrie had started to write a song including each name on the casualty list of the sinking. This was later replaced by the chorus “tell me what were their names.

You probably know this, but still, glad Woody Gurthie didn't have to write down your grandfather's name.

My paternal grandfather was Quebecois and the only thing I know about his wartime experience from an offhand comment from my dad is that he was working in a factory in Montreal where his boss declared him 'essential labour' or something to that effect to stop him from joining/being drafted into the army.

The most interesting war story in my family is what I dug up about a great-great-great-uncle on my mother's side who was drafted for the first world war in the fall of 1917, spent months training in Canada and England, arrived in France on August 1st, 1918, arrived at his unit on August 20th, and was shot in the arm during a general advance on August 25 which sent him to a hospital for the remainder. He spent less than a full week on the front-line, and was one of the relatively few Canadian conscripts to actually arrive at the front, where the Canadian Corps was gearing up for the 100 Days offensive. I actually narrowed down the spot where he was wounded to a small patch of trees in a field in Belgium, which is pretty much unchanged on maps from 1918 and on Google Maps today, I kinda want to visit that spot some day if I can.

Anyways, I'm really enjoying all the family war stories in this thread, it helps make the current LP uncomfortably real as GH continues his quest to sink every ship in the Pacific.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

fredleander posted:

Nothing to do with ubermensch - just a question of being professional. Oh, well, they didn't expect much resistance. The German generals, that is. Adolf, of course, didn't understand poo poo. That said, it would be interesting to hear what you KNOW about Operation Sea Lion. Not just the usual feverish denial stuff....some real facts. (If you don't have any I recommend my book - https://www.fredleander.com). But, I warn you, it should be very frustrating for lovers of the Ancient Empire. Ah, you didn't know it's gone....?

I suspect you know as little about Operation Sea Lion as you know about what happened with MacArthur and the Philippines. I can recommend another book: Peter Schenk - Unternehmen Seelöwe. You don't read German?

Please....Dunkirk! After I have "Saved MacArthur" ( http://www.fredleander.com/saving-macarthur.php ) my next project is named: "Dunkirk - The Ultimate Betrayal". And I don't mean the French........Ooops, please don't starting posting about Dunkirk...!

And that Germany and Italy didn't take Malta is just to show what kind of idiots their dictators were. Just my opinion. It would have been even easier than invading the UK. Well, much easier....Ooops again, please don't start posting about Malta....or Gibraltar...

Anyway, as I have stated a couple of times already I won't derail this thread - MacArthur has, after all, a distant connection with the subject in hand, that of the Superior Race securing their Co-Prosperity Sphere. I didn't draw the Sea Lion out of the cabinet. Not this time, anyway. But you guys are free to continue to wring out your despair....:)

Fred I just wanna take this moment to seriously encourage you to take your claims to our resident military-historian thread so I can read their reactions:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3585027

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.
Canada is modeled, too :canada:

Mostly as the two doomed battalions sent to Hong Kong in 1941 and as part of the British Pacific fleet sent in 1945, though.

e: Because of the weird semi-spherical projection the game uses, Canada is physically modeled from Vancouver all the way to Winnipeg, you can almost drive clear to Ontario.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

Tevery Best posted:

Can anyone knowledgeable suggest what the advantages of this particular projection are, and why it was probably chosen?

I don't know the specifics of the projection, but I suspect they were trying to avoid a situation like in the Silent Hunter games where a flat map meant that, say, a Type-X U-Boat didn't actually have enough fuel to reach America with historical specifications because the distance increases substantially when you're not taking a great circle route.

e: Fun visualization tool for great circle routes on a Mercator projection: http://www.greatcirclemapper.net/en/great-circle-mapper.html?route=LAX-HNL-HND&advanced=1&aircraft=&speed=

Generation Internet fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Jan 30, 2016

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

goatface posted:

Tense business as usual. By which I mean somewhat strained colonial relations with a native population who didn't like them very much.

Militarily, they cooperated with the Far East fleet and mostly based out of Allied bases.

I found the Dutch efficiency in the Pacific kind of funny coming from how easy the Dutch are to roll over in Decisive Campaigns: Warsaw to Paris.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

Veloxyll posted:

Actually finding subs is hard. You can put all the Catlinas you have and some of the fighter bombers on ASW as well as sending out smaller hunting squads and the enemy subs can still give you plenty of grief.

I haven't played a ton, but it definitely struck me after playing with manual search arcs that it's actually very hard to cover large stretches of ocean with airplanes at any given time even if you have a lot of them. If random arcs are on I think the odds of actually being in the same spot as an enemy sub are pretty low.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.
The shells are coming from inside the ship!

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

Grey Hunter posted:



We hit the Wrong Enterprise – but I'll take it!

I look forward to your unconditional surrender being signed on my lucky CV-6 at the end of the war :colbert:

(Nice cruiser kills, that always feels good)

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.
Right Enterprise is just biding its time.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

RA Rx posted:

Where is US naval aviation?
The world wonders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX3bN5YeiQs



Both my lucky ship and I are constantly watching, and waiting...

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

pthighs posted:

I want this to be a Twilight Zone episode where Grey is playing against himself from five years ago.

alex314 posted:

Or AI is using them to supply this cruiser force. I think we'd see Allied CAP had carriers were present.

What if they forgot to set a CAP

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.
American planes having .50 machine guns for the entire tech tree in War Thunder versus the Germans having cannons almost immediately makes a lot more sense when you consider the relative threats they were facing.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.
As long as it's not the Enterprise I hope you actually found a carrier :allears:

Man, I really like the idea of this game, I may have to start a serious runthrough one of these days because I do enjoy the planning and logistics leading to nice payoffs.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.
:allbuttons:

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

Generation Internet posted:

Alright, I'm gonna go ahead, be that guy, and claim the USS Enterprise (CV-6) because holy poo poo, why would you not.

Galaga Galaxian posted:

Because by claiming it you've sealed Its dooooooom.

:ohdear:

One torpedo hit is maybe survivable, but there's going to be a round two

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.
The Enterprise lives! :black101:

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.
I recently read a really excellent AAR on the Matrix forums where the Japanese player made it to September 1945 or thereabouts after playing an extremely aggressive early game where he took almost all of Australia outside of Sydney, took giant chunks of India, killed every single Chinese unit on the map, and then attacked the Soviet Union in 1944 with all his veteran Chinese units. He made it through most of the game with the IJN intact, too, so by the time the Allied player was invading China, Korea, and the home-islands there were massive battleship brawls with dozens on both sides just slugging it out. It got bloody and the Japanese player didn't call it until there was a mini-race for Berlin with American and Commonwealth units approaching Tokyo from the West and Soviet units approaching from the East.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

Mikl posted:

I would like to read this. Got a link?

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3790373

There it is, witness the power of a fully armed and operational Japanese empire.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

vyelkin posted:

especially when you consider that Germany lost so after August 1945 the entire warmaking potential of the US, UK, and USSR, any one of which could have economically overpowered the Japanese, would have been directed at destroying them.

In that LP I linked earlier this because so evident. The Japan player did about as well as humanly possible but in the Summer of 1945, uh oh! Turns out you've only been fighting half of the allied war machine! You could shoot down every single B-24 and B-29 in the Pacific and you'd still be facing heavy bombers because thousands of 8th Air-Force B-17s show up once they're done flattening Germany.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

Lord Koth posted:

And they're basing these thousands of B-17s where exactly, against this theoretical incredibly competent/effective Imperial Japan that has conquered and held the boundaries of the southern and eastern edges of their Co-Prosperity Sphere? The distances involved in the Pacific theater were absolutely massive and even the B-29, with a range of over half again as much as the B-17, needed small island fields to launch from to reach Japan that weren't captured even historically until early 1944 - ones that this theoretical Imperial Japan would still own. And given the B-17's significantly shorter range, you suddenly need bases all that much closer.

I'm talking about this AAR: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3790373

Even the best played Japan was still withdrawing to the home islands by 1944 having more or less safely and completely evacuated from Australia and India.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.
you son of a bitch you sunk the Enterprise

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.
Yeah, this is clearly the best possible outcome in terms of narrative. Instead of Midway ushering in the age of carrier supremacy we have this

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

Woodchip posted:

Now that the mighty BB has prevailed over the puny airplane ship, the AI should start cancelling the Essexes in favor of Iowas, Montanas, and Alaskas.

...right?

The funny thing is that in the AARs I've read of multiplayer games usually it's the American BBs that end up being the biggest pain in the rear end because they will bombard all of your coastal bases into dust :v:

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

Jobbo_Fett posted:

The game is not THAT groggy.

quote:

7.0.1.1.1.1 EMERGENCY LANDINGS

Planes attempting to return to a Carrier that has been damaged sufficiently to prevent aircraft
operations will instead attempt to land on another Carrier or airfield that is within its remaining
range. Planes won’t make an emergency landing on another Carrier in such a way as to cause
it to exceed 110% of the carrier’s aircraft capacity. Planes that are redirected in such a manner
will attempt to return to their parent Carrier when conditions are improved. When all friendly
Carriers are full to their 110% max capacity Aircraft will suffer ops losses, but their pilots will
have a higher rate of survival. This emulates a ditching next to the carrier.

In the case where a CV TF is operating “Blue Water Ops”, or out of range from friendly landbased
AFs Mass Ditching may occur, but the likelihood of the pilots surviving is higher than
normal Ops losses as it is assumed that the Ditching occur within the CV TF and pilots may be
recovered. Where entire parent units are lost, pilots are set to the Reserve Pilot pool with an
associated 2 week travel delay, where they will become available for reassignment to other
units, or the Training Command pool.

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Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

Yooper posted:

My great-grandfather was an aerial photographer in the Pacific theatre. I was digging through some boxes and came upon a few of his photos. I guess my great uncle has thousands like this, so I'm going to hit him up and see if he can digitize them. The names on the ships are too small to read, but I can definitely pick out Japanese characters on the stern.



No idea about the bear, it was mixed in with the rest.

This is super cool, thanks for sharing. I really like this photo in particular and I don't quite know how to put into words why. I'm by no means knowledgeable in the Pacific but I would agree that at a glance it certainly looks like Guadalcanal supply runs.

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