War in the Pacific Day by Day - Imperial Edition

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A Festivus Miracle: Dec 19, 2012; I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

Trin Tragula posted:

Someone always points this out when I bring that up, and I have never wavered in my conviction that it is utterly irrelevant.

This thread hasn't generated any topics for the thread to discuss endlessly yet. We could go over old favorites like

How totally screwed Japan, really, actually, truly, totally, is
How the Grey cannot keep battleships alive
The Toyko Bay Fortress

or not. either way, Grey's doing whatevers so far. Let's hope he can get the work on Palembang going along before February this time.

# ¿ Dec 13, 2015 07:23

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# ¿ May 7, 2024 05:16

A Festivus Miracle: Dec 19, 2012; I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

I'm betting the surprise is that either Grey gets a carrier kill or he sinks a whole bunch of Japanese battleships.

# ¿ Dec 22, 2015 03:41

A Festivus Miracle: Dec 19, 2012; I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

Do the allies have a limited number of APs?

# ¿ Jan 2, 2016 02:54

A Festivus Miracle: Dec 19, 2012; I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

so, basically, Allied Shipping is effectively limitless during and after 1943.

# ¿ Jan 2, 2016 09:44

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Davin Valkri posted:

Three months from now, Chungking will become a battle that will make KIAfeng look like children's playtime. The best (?) part is that it won't be Grey's fault.

If Grey could knock out Chungking in 1942 I would be absolutely shocked. It would change the whole game. I really doubt that even in the best of circumstances he could do it before the end of 1943 though. If everything goes his way, maybe.

# ¿ Jan 6, 2016 00:10

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Nick Esasky posted:

every day a ship spends under acceleration is two days off the quene, IIRC. We'll probably be seeing Junyo in the middle of March.

So, by the time the IJN gets one new carrier, the Allies get like what? 1 CV and a couple of CVE/Ls? Grey's gonna have to do waaaaaay better than historical this time around.

# ¿ Jan 6, 2016 06:48

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Drone posted:

Have there been any intelligence reports or sightings of the three USN carriers that are currently in-theater? I don't think we've seen a peep of them in this LP.

Basically I want KB to hunt down these carriers where ever they may be.

A TF with a CV ran through the Marianna's doing ~naughty things~ to some of Grey's Invasion fleets in early December, but otherwise, they haven't really been out and about much which is kinda how the Allied player should be using his CVs.

# ¿ Jan 6, 2016 10:35

A Festivus Miracle: Dec 19, 2012; I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

Hindsight truly is 20/20. Imagine if we applied the same thinking that Hitler's lieutenants used to landing at places like Tarawa. Even with equipment specifically designed for the purpose of amphibious landing,with the training to match,plus the air and naval support, a large number of contested landings in the Pacific theater were horrendous bloodbaths. Granted, the environments are fundamentally different, and Japanese strategy for a large part of the war was "fight them on the beaches", but still.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2016 07:40

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SIGSEGV posted:

That's a surprisingly simple and ungrog way of handling that.

I only like my games if they simulate how many digits each of my soldiers have, so that I can freeze them off individually :colbert:

# ¿ Jan 8, 2016 22:20

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America, with its relatively huge manufacturing ability, essentially mechanized the armies of the Allies by itself. Sure, the Soviets might have eventually beaten the Germans (and I suppose, after Stalingrad, there's an argument to be made for its absolute inevitably), but there's no way they would have been nearly as quick without the huge amount of war material that Lend-Lease provided. The US essentially armed the Allies.

And people seem to forget that WW2 was a war of attrition. Sure, there's an argument to be made that German arms were superior to the Allies (eeeeeh, not particularly), but the reality is that what really won the war for the Allies was their unbelievably tremendous manufacturing capability. Just the fact that a statement like "The Japanese could've sunk every Allied surface ship in 1941 and the Allies still would've had a larger, better equipped navy than the Japanese by 1943" could even figuratively be true barely does justice to just how massive that advantage was.

A Festivus Miracle fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Jan 15, 2016

# ¿ Jan 15, 2016 19:52

A Festivus Miracle: Dec 19, 2012; I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

If you really want to talk about longevity, it's amazing how, even today, some of this poo poo is still being used. For example, there is documented evidence of the T-34 still being used in combat even today. Hell, even the StG. 44 is still out there fighting wars.

# ¿ Jan 17, 2016 12:31

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Whenever my paternal grandfather tries to relay some of his navy stories to me, whenever he talks about anything he did during Vietnam, I can tell that he's lying to me about some of the aspects of it. There's no way that man didn't whore his way around the South Pacific, he was on a carrier for two years in South Asia.

# ¿ Jan 18, 2016 01:30

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How many CVs/CVEs/CVLs would Grey need to sink per year to maintain a rough parity? Because if he almost loses a CVL in January, I'm already having doubts

# ¿ Jan 19, 2016 11:05

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What's up with battle reports that indicate the sub captain shooting like 70 rounds into an xAK? Is it the sub captains aggressiveness or what?

# ¿ Jan 21, 2016 03:07

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Davin Valkri posted:

Is Grey just unlucky, or is WitP just that bad at modeling single actions? Is there any possibility of a "battle off Samar" type action, for example, or would Japanese BBs and CAs brush aside Allied DEs and CVEs every time?

If Taffy-3 vs the entire Japanese Battleship fleet happened all over again, it would end in a dead Taffy-3, like it loving should've.

# ¿ Jan 22, 2016 05:20

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Cythereal posted:

And like it mostly did. Too bad the Japanese reported they ran into a heavy section of battleships and cruisers instead.

quote:

As he retreated north and then west through the San Bernardino Strait, the smaller and heavily damaged American force continued to press the battle. While watching the Japanese retreat, Admiral Sprague heard a nearby sailor exclaim: "drat it, boys, they're getting away!"

# ¿ Jan 22, 2016 06:10

A Festivus Miracle: Dec 19, 2012; I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

Could you invade and occupy Alaska without setting off Patton's 8th army?

# ¿ Jan 25, 2016 19:41

A Festivus Miracle: Dec 19, 2012; I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

American History education somehow conveniently left out the fact that America was by, for, and still is entirely for white,landed, rich people. The Civil War is nicely boiled down to EVIL SLAVERY LOVERS vs GOOD UNION DUDES. Pearl Harbor is where the EVIL JAPANESE ASSAULTED OUR HONOR. Oh, and COMMUNISM IS EVIL, which we got way less of.

Honestly, had I not bothered to do any historical research of my own, my historical understand would be woefully misinformed. The education I got in high school was laughably bad. I remember sitting in Government class and realizing that our textbook was full of half-truths and outright bullshit about how the system of government functioned. Or, how in my sophmore year History class, our right-wing fundie nutjob history teacher tried to convince us all that the South was really just asserting its right as a nation and how the Union was really the bad ones.

# ¿ Jan 27, 2016 00:09

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Chinese air raid on Taipei? A little forward thinking than most.

# ¿ Jan 28, 2016 20:46

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Zeroisanumber. Literally had the exact same thought I did.

I would also like to add that it's plainly difficult to move a lot of people any amount of distance in any amount of time. Plus, in this time period, armies weren't completely mechanized(especially in 1942!), so the average soldier got from point A to point B on the power of his two feet. So, combine the fact that everyone is walking the whole way, and the fact that you have to feed/clothe/water and fight with these dudes, most military divisions moved slow as gently caress - probably less than two kilometers per hour in the best of terrain. Now complicate this fact with A. Most of 'roads' in the Pacific are little better than trails. B. The weather is gonna be a bitch and turn those trails into little more than mud, and C. People are sick, tired, or wounded, and you can see why it takes so long for troops to march anywhere in this game.

# ¿ Jan 29, 2016 20:07

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Danann posted:

Funny thing about that is that there was this four stacker destroyer called the USS Edsall that was somewhat like this. Except instead of dodging bombs for weeks, the Edsall was dodging shellfire from two battleships and two cruisers for hours until the guy in charge of the task force asked for the Kido Butai to personally dive bomb this one destroyer so their shells can actually hit for once.

Quoting this from a page back. This poo poo is proof that reality is waaay stranger than fiction.

quote:

the Japanese surface vessels (2 cruisers, 2 battleships) fired 1,335 shells at Edsall that afternoon with no more than one or two hits, which failed to stop the destroyer.....Subsequent Japanese navy reports referred to the incident as "a fiasco".

The last survivor of a small US task force basically blunders into the Kido Butai.Realising just how utterly screwed they are, the Edsall puts on a master class in evasion.

# ¿ Feb 1, 2016 22:53

A Festivus Miracle: Dec 19, 2012; I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

Grey, the reason you're not hitting anything is because you're bombing from the stratosphere.

# ¿ Feb 3, 2016 20:40

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16,000 feet is still way too high to be bombing. Those are the kind of altitudes that the B-17 would bomb from.Otherwise, good ground game so far. You might get to Ichang by June at this rate.

# ¿ Feb 6, 2016 14:18

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Veloxyll posted:

It's so cute how everyone tries to give Grey advice.

Even though we know he never listens. Even after 4+ years of playing the same game

Every time Grey bombs something from orbit, I like to imagine some poor rice farmer screaming in terror as bombs start landing in his fields.

# ¿ Feb 8, 2016 05:40

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Danann posted:

Well ice cream did fulfill the dairy part of dietary requirements back then. Plus the servicemen liked ice cream enough that destroyers picking up downed carrier aircrew often got an ice cream bounty for it.

Also, cooking in the Navy bloooows. The old joke is that the Navy has the best food in the world, till the cooks get a hold of it. You gotta keep morale up somehow.

# ¿ Feb 10, 2016 04:10

A Festivus Miracle: Dec 19, 2012; I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

I'll take the SS Skipjack. Hopefully she hasn't already gotten exploded.

# ¿ Feb 12, 2016 08:12

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Placing my bets on the CVL Shoho. In addition to being way smaller than any other Japanese carrier and unarmored( :gonk:

), it's also got the benefit of that awful Japanese damage control. In the first fleet engagement, I'm going to bet that it gets tagged by Allied CVs first, and promptly eat 40 bomb hits.

Either that or the Ryujo. Grey's got all of his big CVs grouped up right now, so none of them will die unless he engages with the Allied CVs or a submarine gets fantastically lucky.

# ¿ Feb 15, 2016 23:36

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PittTheElder posted:

This part strikes me as unlikely.

The Prince of Wales and Repulse actually took a fair beating in the intial day one attack. Prince of Wales ate a torpedo, while Repulse took two and both ate several bomb hits (from those pathetic, weeny 250 kg bombs though). Both initially quartered in Singapore, which itself got nailed with air raids. For some odd reason, the air raids only killed APs. After that, he sailed them off to India, and from there, to Cape Town. I'm not entirely sure what happened to Repulse, but my guess is that that though she took two torpedoes, the flooding was probably contained pretty quickly, and the bomb hits were completely superficial.

# ¿ Feb 16, 2016 06:42

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TheDemon posted:

Johannesburg is landlocked.

Grey put the PoW and Repulse on wheels and rolled them to Johannesburg on roads made from the bones of dead Japanese.

# ¿ Feb 16, 2016 07:07

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gradenko_2000 posted:

What would you even do with the PoW and Repulse, assuming you got them out? Start some poo poo in the Java Sea before it turns into a Betty-patrolled lake? Sail down to Oz and link up with US BBs for central Pacific shore bombardment?

It seems like they wouldn't be able to do much operating out of Colombo with all that LBA out of Indochina.

Them not being dead is worth points, so even if they sit in Colombo and do nothing, that's still points that the Japanese don't get! :eng101:

# ¿ Feb 16, 2016 07:37

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The Prince and Repulse also sank in shallow enough water and in intact enough sections that they're both unironically an artifical reef.

# ¿ Feb 16, 2016 16:14

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I honestly don't think the radar directed AA would've made a difference considering the magnitude of the air attack they suffered. Yamato also had radar directed AA and was positively bristling with AA assets, and still only managed to kill a 10 aircraft before being sunk.

# ¿ Feb 16, 2016 23:44

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And two battlecruisers, with 4 destroyer escort managed to kill a grand total of 4 thinly armored planes. Early war AA was a joke.

# ¿ Feb 17, 2016 00:36

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Dreamsicle posted:

Which engagement was this? It seems like the Channel Dash but IIRC more planes got shot down.

The Sinking of Prince of Wales and the Repulse .

# ¿ Feb 17, 2016 02:45

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Well, I guess it won't matter in this LP. Repulse ate 6 ( :stare:

) torpedos, and Prince of Wales took 3 torpedos. Unless the Allied AI has gotten fantastically lucky, they're sitting at the bottom of the South China sea.

What's happening in Burma, Grey? It seems like you're concentrating most of your troops on China right now.

# ¿ Feb 17, 2016 16:25

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AceRimmer posted:

Are there any mods that completely flip the game so that the US is the underdog? All the ones I've heard about just seem to give both sides tons of new toys to play with. I know that it's completely ridiculous but it could be interesting gameplay-wise.

There are a few out there that majorly buff up the Japanese side(more CVs/CVLs, CA/CLs+DDs and more troops) so that the early game is a lot more interesting for the Allied player but I don't think there are any that stop the US rape train when it gets rolling.

# ¿ Feb 20, 2016 00:29

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Ikasuhito posted:

It finally caught on to what Grey haa in store for it and did the smart thing.

It ended this eventual beating prematurely.

# ¿ Feb 22, 2016 03:11

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Is the Hermes in the theater yet, or do the Dutch naturally have large numbers of british designed aircraft? :v:

Either way, RIP the Dutch airforce. One Allied airforce down, 5 more to go.

# ¿ Feb 23, 2016 04:29

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Grey Hunter posted:

Aaaand thats the RnD � comments would be helpful, this is where I struggle the most! The very bottom is our current production pools.

This UI. Goddamn.

I would love to get into this game, but the UI just looks unbelievably bad.

# ¿ Mar 1, 2016 09:26

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# ¿ May 7, 2024 05:16

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So, let's recap:

In 4 months, Grey has

1. Mostly finished up the Phillipines about a month ahead of schedule.
2. Is working on Singapore, may finish about a month ahead of schedule
3. Sunk exactly zero carriers, and even worse, sunk basically nothing at Pearl that isn't going to get replaced immediately
4. Is making ok progress in China
5. Is a little behind in Burma, but this front is basically a stalemate regardless.
6. Has done basically nothing in the DEI

I probably missed a few things, but in my own humble judgement, Japan is doing worse than historical. This is gonna be a loooong 3 years if Grey can't start making serious steam.

# ¿ Mar 6, 2016 12:02

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