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fredleander
Dec 7, 2015
This looks fun. May I sign up for IJN Amatsukaze...?

Fred

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fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

OpenlyEvilJello posted:

The hell with it—I'll take Hiei, may she wreak spectral havoc once again!


Friendly tip: Don't sign your posts here. It's a forums culture thing. (Also, Jobbo's got you covered re: Amatsukaze.)

Hmm...not very cultural...but, thank you, anyway.

Fred

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

Galaga Galaxian posted:

A true grog would withdraw the fleet, since despite being fully fueled in the game, in actuality they were really low on fuel at the time they launched the attack and couldn't stay on station a second day. :v:

"Low on fuel" is a matter of definition...is it not..?

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015
I've always known it - the P-36 was a better fighter than the P-40 - particularly the P-40 "E" version. The P-36 could well be adjusted somewhat for maneuverability and climb in the Editor. The 41/42 models were lighter than the later models.

Fred

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

sullat posted:

In a more serious note, how bad was losing all those transports and invasion troops from that lurking carrier? If this is a game about snowballing in the first few months, seems like minor incidents like that could really make it difficult to establish his perimeter before the invasion bonus wears off.

But, this was a Japanese problem that the allies were not able (or willing) to make use of. Perhaps most obvious in the Philippines and Moluccans.

Fred

P.S.. I've made some use of it in this scenario. Mind you I'm a poor beginner with WitP - this is my second try. I also have a specific purpose for playing it. It seems that purpose is about to be fullfilled. It can be seen in the end of the thread.:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3840708

fredleander fucked around with this message at 10:55 on Dec 14, 2015

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Losing transports is something Japan can't replace constantly. Losing some is pretty normal, as they'll be targeted by subs, aircraft, coastal guns, etc; you have to figure that the number of transports available will go down, but it'll take a while before you reach a critical level where you are no longer capable of doing anything.

I believe they had something like 500 transports available for their initial moves.

Fred

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015
Already Kavieng and Rabaul! Quite a shortcut!

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

Grey Hunter posted:

I'm not 100% sure I can take Rabaul with the forces I have there, but I'm willing to take the risk - go big or go home!

One at a time. Fly in the Navy paras......

Aaahh......British Vildebeests supporting the Americans in the Philipppines? That'd be the day.

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

Drone posted:

I've never once been able to either reinforce or evacuate Rabaul by sea in time before the Japanese invade. I usually just do the admittedly-gamey-but-still-valid tactic of sending some PBY Catalinas there and ferrying out little bits of the troops that are stationed there, to recombine them into the Australian 6th/8th Division (I forget which) at Moresby.

If you're playing the US side there is always the Pensacola convoy. Not sure MacArthur would like that, though.

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

Ikasuhito posted:

No, we can go even deeper. We should publish a book, "The Pacific theater of World War 2 as told by Grey Hunter" It can include not only his first play through, but this one as well simultaneously (Hell even his first botched attempt.) All told as if it was a legit history book.

Too late, I'm already at it. Would have liked to post a link to it but the local moderator seems rather sensitive to such. Am I correct?

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015
Duds? The Mark XII torpedoes of the USN "S"-boats were supposedly more reliable than those carried by the newer boats.

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

Galaga Galaxian posted:

Don't disrespect biplane torpedo bombers. Ask the Bismarck about Swordfishes. :colbert:

I was about to say the same. Not only Bismarck - Taranto - a pattern for Pearl Harbor. Of course, like any other old torpedo plane at the time it was defenseless against a good fighter. Look at the Devastator, supposedly much more modern than the Swordfish and the Vildebeest. As much as the plane, in air torpedo warfare the crews were as important as the materiel, including the torpedoes. That said, what are the RN Vildebeests doing in the Philippines?

fredleander fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Dec 20, 2015

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Britain had a lot of territories near the Philippines.

Yes, but in the scenario I refer to they fly out of Clark Field, Luzon. Quite uncommon for the British to use their resources for anything else than the defense of Singapore/Malaya.

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Also, Bismarck and Force Z had no air cover, Taranto and Pearl were surprise attacks.

Yes? Taranto was as a night attack. And Bismarck was very difficult to find in the bad weather. Even then...

fredleander fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Dec 20, 2015

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

lenoon posted:

Fred, stop signing your posts - you'll get probated again.

Sorry, forgot - happens automatically. Is "F" OK.......:-)....

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

lenoon posted:

Remember that we romanticise the living poo poo out of the war, and there's nothing more romantic-heroic than the stringbags being flung against the Bismarck, and winning.

Hmmm.....after launching at one of their own cruisers first.....Besides, you've heard about the Channel Dash....?

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

Veloxyll posted:

Try battleship. Fortunately, when your entire carrier air wing says "Yo, our torpedoes exploded when they hit the water," backed up by a presumably VERY cross watch officer from one of your own Battleships giving a very colourful account of how they just got attacked by a bunch of torpedo biplanes, the British were the only power able to figure out their magnetic detonators were garbage in under 2 years.
(The IJN never used them)

Which battleship? I was referring to the cruiser Sheffield.

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

lenoon posted:

Your posts are really good so I don't want you to get probated so:

Don't sign your posts at all, even "F", we know who you are and I'm sure if you keep up the detail someone will even end up getting you an avatar so we'll know even more.

Also! Don't use smileys like :-), we don't really do that here. But we do have loads of emoticons you can use, so :) in this context should do it!

You know, I'm not really signing my posts - just wanting to spread the gospel of "peace" around the world. "Fred" means "peace" in Norwegian. You know, like peace and love....:)...I'm Norwegian...

Ooh, there I found out how the smilies work, too. Nothing's like other sites - at this site.

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

Velius posted:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2560960

Might be the best narrative one I've seen.

Real cool. Tks for posting.

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

Grey Hunter posted:


With fresh men ashore, Lingayen falls quickly. While casualties are equal, we have done a lot more damage to the enemy than we took when you look at destroyed squads.

I'm looking forward to Wainwright's counter-offensive....


Grey Hunter posted:

If this report is to believed, the Tennessee has sunk just before entering port.

That would be nice.

I suppose you don't have a sub in the area that has an aircraft that can carry an 800 kg. bomb so it must be damage from Pearl. Bad damage control?

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015
I see Kavieng is in the box. Rabaul next?

Well, well - 1 Buffalo damage 14 Nates. That must be a record. Probably some of it damaged by AA?

And no Blenheims touched by 14 Nates. OK, they did have an escort.

fredleander fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Dec 22, 2015

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

paradigmblue posted:

That's because you're sweeping at 1,000 feet - well in range of AA, and allowing the AI's CAP to dive on your sweeping fighters. Try sweeping next turn at 15k or higher. Also, Nates aren't the ideal sweeping plane. If you don't have any Zeroes that can sweep, use your Oscars IIbs.

That explained that! Thank you.

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

Hmm.....his backpack looks very much like a B-4...

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

Grey Hunter posted:

We've advanced into Clark Field, so maybe we will be able to take the city quickly and destroy their main airbase.

More importantly, you may close off the enemy's withdrawal into Bataan.

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

Rexim posted:

Can someone explain why Rabaul is such a prize? I know it was important in real life, and seems to be important to Grey, so is it just a prime location?

I don’t think the Japanese ever intended that there should be a ”Guadalcanal Campaign”, in the sense that it should be necessary to defend it the way they had to. But because of their failed invasion of Port Moresby and the following surprise allied landings on and around Guadalcanal, it developed into one. Rabaul became very important for them. As is pointed out here Rabaul had a great potential for expansion. How great is shown by the fact that the allied decided to bypass it when they finally went north.

If the Port Moresby invasion had succeeded Rabaul would probably have developed more into a staging area for holding Port Moresby and Milne Bay and eventual jumps over to New Caledonia and Vanuatu/Fiji than Guadalcanal, depending on the question whether the allies would have dared to go for the Solomons if the Japanese held Port Moresby and Milne Bay. That may have changed US priorities. MacArthur, for one, would probably have insisted on this.

That said, having Port Moresby in their hold wouldn’t necessarily have been such a bonus for the Japanese as long as they had to supply it over the sea. To improve the Kokoda Trail as a useful supply route would necessarily have taken some time. In the meantime an air and submarine offensive based on Western Australian bases could have made the supplying of PM costly for the Japanese. Imagine if the US forces built up for the Solomons campaign had been directed that way instead.

As the Japanese alternative for the missed seaborne invasion of PM, the advance from Gona along the Kokoda Trail, started to get into gear, they also landed in Milne Bay on the South-Eastern tip of New Guinea, an area that could have proved as important as Port Moresby as a forward base against Australia. Here, however, Australian forces, after little more than two weeks of fighting, were able to throw the Japanese invasion forces back. They withdrew on September 7th 1942, one month after the US landings on Guadalcanal. This was the first decisive setback on land for the Japanese. It has been little noted, probably because of the ongoing battle for Guadalcanal. Milne Bay in Japanese hands could have been very awkward for the allies at that early stage. As it turned out their advance along the Kokoda Trail also petered out, after some very heavy and costly fighting for both parties.

In this period came to light the Japanese problem that was predicted by US military analysts already before the war – that Japanese resources were not sufficient to maintain more than one main campaign beside their engagement in China. Unfortunately, this analysis was not heeded in the chock after Pearl Harbor and the Philippines, resulting in a slower US offensive reaction than necessary.

But, that is still to show itself in this “campaign”.

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

Zeroisanumber posted:

Very much like the actual war. In fact, until the US embargoed them, Japan was hoping to use us as a neutral party to hash out a treaty to end the war in China just like we had a couple decades earlier for the Russo-Japanese War.

Everything considered that might have been a better solution than how it turned out. Would that have satisfied the Japanese appetite for the "co-prosperity sphere?"

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

Grey Hunter posted:



I hope this was full of tanks.

I don't believe there were many allied tanks in the area at this time.

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

gradenko_2000 posted:

I'm not sure what the exact order of releases will be, but the series is going to come down to:

......and a hypothetical Operation Sealion (and maybe Weserubung), using the WITW engine
Something to link all of these together into one game

Please scream when Operation Sealion is released! I have a vested interest: https://www.fredleander.com

fredleander fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Jan 5, 2016

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

Thalantos posted:

Oh, that's too cool!


Do you think Sealion was at all a realistic goal for the Germans?

Well, the Brits thought so.

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

Zeroisanumber posted:

No, not really. If they'd won the Battle of Britain they might have been able to put a squeeze on the islands, and if they'd taken Egypt and effectively cut Great Britain off from the rest of their empire they'd have been within shouting distance of winning the war, but actual invasion just wasn't possible with the equipment they had on-hand.

The UK was "cut off" from "their empire" already weeks before the Italians entered the war.

As for the equipment the Germans had on-hand - it was nothing wrong with that.

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

Ikasuhito posted:

I'll give you a hint, part of the Germans plan for landing troops and equipment apparently involved the use of river barges.

Among many other things, yes. Actually, the German planning on the tactical landings were not dissimilar to those used by the Japanese. As for "river barges", more than 3.000 were modified for their particular purpose. BTW, did you know that the allies used 600 river barges in an auxiliary role during Operation Overlord?

But, we really shouldn't use more space here. After all, this thread is not about Operation Sea Lion. I was just interested in knowing when/if such a scenario was released by Matrix.

If anybody is interested in discussing Sea Lion they should establish a thread here. I can't promise to participate very much, though - I did my part on the Armchair General Forum some years ago on the thread that has gone down as - TTTSNBN - The Thread That Shall Not Be Named. It contained 15.000 postings. I also wrote a book on it. Presently I am busy with my "Saving MacArthur" project: https://www.fredleander.com. Which is why I am here in the first place. I am using the WitP as a sort of filing cabinet for the project.

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

fredleander posted:

Among many other things, yes. Actually, the German planning on the tactical landings were not dissimilar to those used by the Japanese. As for "river barges", more than 3.000 were modified for their particular purpose. BTW, did you know that the allies used 600 river barges in an auxiliary role during Operation Overlord?

But, we really shouldn't use more space here. After all, this thread is not about Operation Sea Lion. I was just interested in knowing when/if such a scenario was released by Matrix.

If anybody is interested in discussing Sea Lion they should establish a thread here. I can't promise to participate very much, though - I did my part on the Armchair General Forum some years ago on the thread that has gone down as - TTTSNBN - The Thread That Shall Not Be Named. It contained 15.000 postings. I also wrote a book on it. Presently I am busy with my "Saving MacArthur" project: https://www.fredleander.com. Which is why I am here in the first place. I am using the WitP as a sort of filing cabinet for the project.

Koesj, I am not the one continuing this.....:-). ...good idea to read others postings properly.

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

Grey Hunter posted:



Low level fighting continues at Iba.

Has there been any AAR's where the Japanese side has landed directly on Bataan as one of their first moves in the Philippines?

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

Koesj posted:

No I mean that if you want to engage in a discussion about your work with jaded historians you can go there.

Sorry, appreciate your concern. Ramblings....?

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

Drone posted:

Bored, so I copied the list of variant rules options for the Sealion scenario from the DC:WtP manual, since I suppose it's relevant to the conversation.

Appreciate that. I could have commented a lot on those variables but I'd rather not interfere more with the subject in hand.

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

Nice picture!

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

Grey Hunter posted:




The S-38 is having a good day.

At first I thought: Aha, that Lt. Dempsey! This officer already before the war had a pretty good understanding of the problems with the Mark X torpedoes. No, not the pistol igniters (no magnetic igniters on the Mark X), but internal leakages which made them run deeper than their depth-settings. He even informed the Cavite Yard about his findings but no action was taken. When I checked I found that S-38 wasn't Dempsey's boat, after all. S-37 was.

Hopefully, we shall soon hear from her, too. Sorry about that....

fredleander fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Jan 7, 2016

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

Grey Hunter posted:

There are no real troops in the southern islands, so I can pick them off as I go.

What (how) do you know about the US troops in the southern islands.....

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

team overhead smash posted:

.....and Stalin cannily tricked Hitler into all those invasions.

Hmmm.....much like Roosevelt did with Japan....or....? I mean, we are in the Pacific, are we not..?

fredleander
Dec 7, 2015
Should we not make some space for mr. GH now?

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fredleander
Dec 7, 2015

Grey Hunter posted:



That's a big ship, I want it still. Please stop shooting it.

S-39, too! What are all the S-boats doing up there when the real action is around the Pilippines? I'm waiting for the S-37 to step in.

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