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Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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Anyone claimed the BB Fuso? I'll grab that one.

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Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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WitP Day by Day - Imperial Edition: Finding new ways to sink the Royal Navy since <year>

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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Grey Hunter posted:

The Prince of Wales is on the sunk list, but no points for her yet – there is a chance she will survive. I'm hoping the smaller battleship row seen today means we have actually sunk some of the US battleships.

If there were just one thing I'd bother complaining about in your otherwise stellar LP's, it's this. I like not knowing for sure if a ship has been sunk, since the game has a built-in unreliability to it for the first few weeks/months after seeing a battle result. I mean in the real war, the Enterprise was reported sunk by the Japanese newspapers like six times.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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lenoon posted:

Clunk! A hit but no explosion! Is going to suddenly be something we look forward to and that's going to take some time to adjust to

The downside is that this time it will be us on the receiving end of those crack Dutch submarine skippers.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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So I know there's an event that triggers in the event the Japanese make landfall on the US West Coast (Patton shows up to wreck some poo poo). Is there something similar if the Japanese player invades Australia or India? I remember steinrokkan had invaded about 1/2 of Australia in his last LP attempt, but I don't recall if there was any kind of scripted thing to make it harder for him.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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lenoon posted:

You know, I think for all that we like to tease Grey about spectacular plans that just somehow don't come to fruition (remember Iwo Jima?), there were some outrageously ballsy plays in the first WITP. Operation Castration, carriers duking it out about 10k from land based fighters, taking out a fleet carrier and then casually sauntering home to Sydney springs to mind. Unless I'm remembering it wrong, that is.

Grey+the ridiculous combined power of the Kido Butai is a recipe for insane antics, and we certainly shouldn't seek to restrain any and all (especially if they're ever so slightly ill-thought through) schemes.

As long as he resists the temptation to split up the Kido Butai. There's a pretty huge difference in doctrine between the Allied and Japanese sides in WitP.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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Get that goddamn carrier.

What are we betting, Enterprise or Lexington?

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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When you win WITP as the Japanese and then port the LP to Distant Worlds. Again.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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Yes, get Rabaul!

Do you already have plans for the invasion of Sumatra? We need them oil fields.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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I forget, wasn't there some tactic that a Japanese player used on some Matrix forums AAR of WITP where they pre-emptively attacked the Soviets to free up the garrison troops after cleaning them up? Do the Soviets get a Patton-style intervention event if the Japanese player advances too far into Siberia (Zhukov showing up to push Tito's poo poo in, I guess)?

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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I've never once been able to either reinforce or evacuate Rabaul by sea in time before the Japanese invade. I usually just do the admittedly-gamey-but-still-valid tactic of sending some PBY Catalinas there and ferrying out little bits of the troops that are stationed there, to recombine them into the Australian 6th/8th Division (I forget which) at Moresby.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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Wasn't Sinyang the site of a battle that spanned the better part of a whole year in the last LP?

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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Those Vildebeests need to die.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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Ikasuhito posted:

What truly lies sleeps beneath Tokyo Bay Fortress Eniwetok.

That is not dead which can eternal lie.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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So nice to see the Kido Butai actually doing something now that their orders are set correctly. Also yay Rabaul! Get working on turning that place into a premiere submarine base.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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Ikasuhito posted:

You and everyone else who throw out these little tidbits are doing God's work.

For the last thread, I posted a big dump of info from the game manual for all the ship designations. The complete list with commentary for what each type actually means can be found on this Google Spreadsheet, in case Grey Hunter wants to put it in the OP or Jobbo_Fett in his third post like last time: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjMTZZbe1060dE91VHM3SVYtNndWSkJIbkxydlJVOFE&usp=sharing

And the shortened list without more detailed description:

code:
CVB		Aircraft Carrier, Battle
CV		Aircraft Carrier
CVL		Aircraft Carrier, Light
CVE		Aircraft Carrier, Escort
BB		Battleship
BC		Battlecruiser
CB		Large Cruiser
CA		Heavy Cruiser
CL		Light Cruiser
CLAA		Anti-Aircraft Cruiser
CS		Aircraft Cruiser
DD		Destroyer
DE		Escort Destroyer
TB		Torpedo Boat
E		Escort
PG		Patrol Gunboat
PF		Patrol Frigate
KV		Corvette
PC		Patrol Craft
PB		Patrol Boat
SC		Sub Chaser
PT		Patrol, Torpedo
MTB		Motor Torpedo Boat
MGB		Motor Gun Boat
ML		Motor Launch
SS		Submarine
SST		Submarine Transport
SSX		Midget Submarine
AMC		Armed Merchant Cruiser
CM		Minelaying Cruiser
CMc		Coastal Minelayer
DM		Destroyer Minelayer
DMS		Destroyer Minesweeper
AM		Minesweeper
AS		Submarine Tender
AD		Destroyer Tender
AV		Aircraft Tender
AVD		Aircraft Tender, Destroyer
AVP		Aircraft Tender, Patrol
AR		Auxiliary Repair Ship
ARD		Auxiliary Repair Dock
AGP		Torpedo Boat Tender
AG		Miscellaneous Auxiliary
AO		Oiler
AE		Ammunition Ship
AGC		Command Ship
APA		Attack Transport
LSIL		Landing Ship, Infantry, Large
LSIM		Landing Ship, Infantry, Medium
LSIS		Landing Ship, Infantry, Small
APD		Destroyer Transport
AKA		Attack Cargo Ship
LSD		Landing Ship, Dock
LSV		Landing Ship, Vehicle
AP		Transport
AK		Cargo Ship
AKV		Aircraft Transport
AKE		Ammunition Transport
AKL		Cargo Ship, Light
TK		Tanker
LST		Landing Ship, Tank
LCI		Landing Craft, Infantry
LCI(G)		Landing Craft, Infantry (Gun)
LCI(M)		Landing Craft, Infantry (Mortar)
LCI(R)		Landing Craft, Infantry (Rocket)
LSM		Landing Ship, Medium
LCT		Landing Craft, Tank
LB		Landing Barge
LCVP		Landing Craft, Vehicle and Personnel
LCS(L)		Landing Craft, Support (Large)
YO		District Oiler
ACM		Minefield Tender
YMS		District Minesweeper
YP		District Patrol Craft
HDML		Harbor Defense Motor Launch
AMc		Coastal Minesweeper
APc		Coastal Transport
xAP		Transport
xAPc		Coastal Transport
xAK		Cargo Ship
xAKL		Cargo Ship, Light

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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CeeJee posted:

That tiny corner of Antarctica on the map. Why ?

So that Cthulhu has somewhere he can spawn units.

(Nevermind, that's Eniwetok).

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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I've flirted with the idea of doing a WITW LP a couple times but it's a massive time commitment that I don't have, and it isn't a very good game to start with. The air war in itself is reason enough not to do one.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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lenoon posted:

Is there going to be an admiral's edition style reworking of WITW at some point?

If I remember right, Admirals Edition for WITP started as basically a user-created mod for the original game that was so popular and so ubiquitous that they just used it as a basis for a rerelease.

Could be making that up though.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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Have there been any intelligence reports or sightings of the three USN carriers that are currently in-theater? I don't think we've seen a peep of them in this LP.

Basically I want KB to hunt down these carriers where ever they may be.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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The only grognard game that I know of that comes packaged with a hypothetical Sealion scenario is Decisive Campaigns: Blitzkrieg from Warsaw to Paris. There's a scenario that starts with the Germans landed on the south/southeast coast of England, but as far as I know there's really no way to impact the logistics of it. There are several options that you can define at the start of the scenario though.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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Bored, so I copied the list of variant rules options for the Sealion scenario from the DC:WtP manual, since I suppose it's relevant to the conversation.

quote:

17.5.1. VARIANT I: BEACH DEFENSE
If active, any British troops defending against an amphibious assault will fight with double
their power.
17.5.2. VARIANT II: GUERRILLA
There is 10% chance that a German-occupied hex in Britain will lose 400 supply points from
partisan action and sabotage. Furthermore, there is a 0.25% chance per occupied hex that a
British Guerrilla unit will appear.
17.5.3. VARIANT III: US VOLUNTEERS
From round 10 onwards there is 50% chance per turn that American Volunteers will arrive in
Cheltenham (0,1).
17.5.4. VARIANT IV: GAS ATTACKS
Every turn the British may execute a poison gas attack on a hex of choice (this is historically
accurate; Churchill had already authorized such action)
. These missions are considered to be
performed by Bomber Command, operating from Scotland airfields. If playing campaign mode
the Germans could have prepared for these attacks, lowering their effectiveness.
17.5.5. VARIANT V: FOR KING AND COUNTRY
Gives Britain 20% higher base morale and a 10% chance per turn per major town to get an
extra Home Guard Brigade.
17.5.6. VARIANT VI: BAD WEATHER
Normally there is 25% chance on rain. With this variant active, the chance of foul weather rises
to 40%, and the chance of a severe Channel storm rises to 10%. If there is such a storm, the
Germans will be forced to suspend cross-channel shipping of supplies and reinforcements
until the weather moderates.
17.5.7. VARIANT VII: SUCCESSFUL CORRIDOR
If this variant is active the Germans’ cross-Channel corridor will be secure for the first 7 days
instead of the first 3.
17.5.8. VARIANT VIII: BRITAIN DIVERTED
The whole XII Corps, 2nd Canadian division, 5th Flak Division and some artillery assets will be
absent, presumable because of Axis diversionary actions in other theaters. There is also only
50% chance for Britain that each of the 5 scheduled reinforcement divisions will arrive.
17.5.9. VARIANT IX: EXTRA FLEET
The Germans get extra shipping points: 30 instead of 20 a round.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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Happy one month of being at war, everyone! :toot:

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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Yorkshire Tea posted:

I found the Sealion talk on the previous page super interesting. Did the Germans ever really have a plausible win point for the war? Could they have conquered all of mainland Europe, not invaded Russian during Winter, won in Northern Africa and then just peaced out of there until they got their nukes working for Britain?

Well, they invaded Russia in June, not winter. But yeah, the Russian winters (and in particular the muddy pre/post-winter seasons that are unique to that part of Eurasia) were completely underestimated by the Germans.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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If they could have avoided war with Russia, then I think they'd have been able to get some kind of peace deal that was favorable, though I bet the war would have continued for far longer than 1945 if that happened. The Nazi state would not have been able to sustain itself in peacetime though... its massive budget and entire economic system was based on an unsustainable model of loot and plunder that would not have been able to continue over long-term periods of peace. And those things were what kept the Nazis tremendously popular among the people. The German consumer economy proper wasn't even really put on a wartime footing until around late '42 or early '43, aside from having to do without certain food imports like bananas or coffee.

Fortunately war with Russia was inevitable. If Hitler hadn't started it, Stalin eventually would have. And still pushed the Nazis' poo poo in.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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Yorkshire Tea posted:

And is there an alternate where the Nazis just don't even try to engage in operation Sealion at all and attack Russia in March of 1940, giving them a good 6 months without Winter substantially making GBS threads up their army?

Well first, in March of 1940, the Nazis hadn't even invaded France or the Low Countries yet. And they never really even attempted Sealion, it was never anything more than a plan on paper.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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Belisarius6 posted:

I'm stunned at the reaction I've received for my link to Suvorov's "Icebreaker". The only reason I used the "Justice4Germans" website was because my Google search showed it had the book available online. I never stated support for Nazism - in fact I immediately followed up my first comment with a statement that Hitler was going to attack the Soviet Union regardless of any provocation or threat. Yet forum participants are all over me for being a Nazi sympathizer. Someone changed my avatar, I'm assuming the moderator himself, to a cum covered Iron Cross. What the hell? This is why the U.S. is collapsing before our eyes - nobody's willing to make a serious effort at understanding any viewpoint that differs from their own - even when that viewpoint is, all in all, very much the same.

No, someone spent real money to call a spade a spade. Weren't no moderator.

And a lot of us aren't from the US, so I'm no sure how you used us calling you a Nazi (rightly) as your personal pro-Trump vehicle or whatever.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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nothing to seehere posted:

Reminder to all forums members: Don't feed the troll.

Meh he'll be banned in like 20 minutes anyway, might as well have some fun while he's here.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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goatface posted:

Nah, he just needs to find the right thread in D&D and he'll fit right in.

Is Emden still around?

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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Cythereal posted:

I've always enjoyed one of my grandfather's WW2 stories. He enlisted in the Navy after Pearl Harbor and spent the entire war on a destroyer patrolling South America and the Caribbean for u-boats. His entire war experience was tropical hookers and booze without firing a shot in anger. :v:

Mine served on an airplane tender in the Pacific (that is actually modelled in WITP but doesn't show up until 1944).

Grey's probably gonna be sinking a lot of peoples' grandpas in this LP.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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lenoon posted:

the other died while serving with the BEF in 1938.

Before the war even started? :confused:

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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How about the B-52, introduced in 1952 and expected to remain in service in the US military until the 2040s. That's absolutely crazy.

Edit: or the Lee-Enfield rifle, introduced 1907, still in use somewhere apparently according to Wiki.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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I don't think that's how limericks work, Grey, but bless you for trying. :eng101:

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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The US vomits out aircraft carriers after a certain point. Parity is probably going to be a pipe dream.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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TheDemon posted:

One of this game's big disappointments is it doesn't allow you to properly do a nuke-supported Operation Downfall :(

Lack of modeling war crimes in games is sure disappointing!

Really though, is it not possible? You can nuke Japan though it costs you pretty heavily in victory points, and I don't see why you couldn't combine that with a land invasion.

Come to think of it, has there ever been an LP or AAR where the Allies invaded the Home Islands? I know Grey took Hokkaido in his Allied LP.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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ZombieLenin posted:

All of Gary's games need to be easier to mod. I'd blow hours and hours in a Japanese invasion scenario. I'd also play in a game where the Japanese player was allowed to hold out, at the cost of PPs--you've got to successfully quietly coup the emperor--such that an invasion of the islands needs to be staged.

I've tried to get into the scenario creator and it's just the most obtuse thing ever, even by grog standards. I think at one point Alikchi had looked into the possibility of modding the game enough to give us some sort of Kaiserreich-inspired scenario, but the game is basically unmoddable to a large enough degree to make that possible.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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Adar posted:

Out of morbid curiosity at the groggish-ness of this game, what happens if, as the Japanese, you invade Hawaii, move everything you have to it and use it as a springboard to invade the US vs. the AI? I know some big stack of death spawns in California but aside from that has anyone seriously tried to do this while ignoring all the other theaters? Surely you could squeeze a million or so infantry and everything else on boats in 1942-ish if you really tried hard enough and didn't care what happened in China?

As far as I understand it, actually invading (and holding) the Hawaiian Islands as Japan is pretty much impossible. It would be a hell of a sight to see, though.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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The Sandman posted:

Spoilered on the off chance that somebody who posts to the Matrix forums also reads this LP:

I believe there are two AARs over on the Matrix forums where the Japanese player took Hawaii, and in at least one of them the Japanese player actually is intending to land in California at some point in late 1942.

That one is Lowpe vs. JocMeister; the first one, I think, has John 3rd playing the Japanese, but I don't remember the Allied player.


This one?

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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Randarkman posted:

Years back I watched some Doctor Who episode having had the show recommended to me by a friend (I did not end up liking it), set during the blitz in WW2 and the doctor held some speech about how incredible it was that as Europe was burning and being conquered by Hitler one tiny Island nation stood up and said "no". Is that the type of poo poo that British people are taught to belive about WW2 because thinking Britain only a "tiny island" (or whatever it was he said that was close to that) in 1940 is so incredibly disingenious it boggles the mind.

Contrast that though with most Americans having no idea that the Eastern Front was even a thing and that the Soviets pretty much broke Germany's spine single-handedly. It doesn't matter what country you're in, there's always large gaps in history education, or even outright fabrication of events.

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Drone
Aug 22, 2003

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How many times do you need to shill your product? Didn't you already get probated for that once?

Edit: nice editing it out.

Drone fucked around with this message at 09:37 on Jan 29, 2016

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