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First time I ever made an ED character I had no idea what I was doing and was new to ascendancies. I made her a Necromancer for all the extra duration and to benefit from offerings myself. I honestly can't remember what other nodes I took beyond mistress of sacrifice, but despite the apparent lack of synergy, I did make it to the 80s without much trouble. Just shows ya how strong ED was, and still is. zxqv8 fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Oct 11, 2016 |
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Can I get a guild invite as well, in as GutterPallet.
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cl_gibcount 9999 posted:yes, but the poison is just going to be one stack of damage based off the initial hit of Essence Drain that won't last as long as the ED dot portion itself, it's also not boosted by nor does it boost in any way the decay dot (which you should be using) from a delirium weapon So, I decided to run the numbers, and I think you are incorrect here. Here are my findings: -Poison becomes more and more valuable the more often you cast ED. I compared casts every 12 seconds, every 4 seconds, every 2 seconds, and every second. That's because poison stacks and ED degen doesn't. -For a generic character with no gear, you are correct that you should link ED-Cont Dest-Void manip-Rapid decay. However, if you have some decent gear (some spell damage, chaos damage on jewelry, etc), they become comparable and poison becomes more valuable if you have decent to great gear or if you're hitting very frequently. Even with no gear, if you hit every second, poison is better than rapid decay HOWEVER, the real choice for me isn't between a generic character using poison or not, it's between Pathfinder (gets free poison off flasks) and Assassin (gets Toxic Delivery) -With just the stats on the tree, pathfinder's free poison is better at all attack rates than assassin with toxic delivery using ED-Cont Dest-Void Manip-Poison (I checked, slower projectiles and rapid decay are both worse than Controlled Destruction at basically all values of crit/multi) -However, once you get some good equipment, the damage from assassin skyrockets. For both the life and es gear/tree specs I checked, Assassin using Poison gem has higher DPS than Pathfinder using Rapid Decay gem with free poison. The gap increases the better the gear gets and the more frequently you attack. --ES tree and gear have significantly better damage than life tree and gear For reference, here's the gear I used for calculations: Obliteration Prophecy wand with decay mod and 22 crit multi 3x jewelry with the 25% chaos damage enchant 4x Jewels with 10% chaos damage and 17% crit multi while dual wielding Rat's Nest For es, you can potentially swap rat's nest for Crown of Eyes and use Brinerot Whalers That lets you use 40% increased spell damage instead of multi on the wand, and Spell damage while Dual Wielding instead of multi on the jewels However you drop down to 3 jewel slots instead of 4. Overall though the damage is much higher with the ES setup. My assumptions: Poison is based on only the ED initial hit Decay mod is only affected by chaos/dot damage on the tree Poison on ED double dips off of spell damage and is affected by the delirium glove enchant
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Speaking of ED, I got a level 4 Empower finally. Up to 32.7k/sec with a wee bit more room to grow via putting quality on my last few gems. I figure I can probably break 35k. Then I'm going to murder the gently caress out of some guardians/shaper.
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I'm thinking about using the 3x Pacifism jewel trick along with the Raider phasing nodes and the Snakebite gloves, but I don't have that much experience with attack based builds. Maybe Ranged with Barrage to maximize the stacks, or Melee with Lacerate for the multiple hits and extra range? Maybe Reave would be a better choice? Or maybe spectral throw? Should I go crit or make the trip to resolute technique? I know I'm going Acrobatics/Phase acrobatics, and two Tiger hook swords could help me push dodge further.
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Mince Pieface posted:My assumptions: oh if you are doing assassin with the huge poison bonus on crit then yeah that makes sense you'd want to spam ED for poison also Decay mod is affected by the relevant supports of the skill that applies it, just like the other dots so with ED, decay is really just like adding 1000 base to the ~800 base dmg/s on ED, all the same damage mods multiply it and it only stacks once are you sure you aren't better off spamming another skill to apply poison though? Just maintain the normal ED dot while you use a way faster casting/more damaging skill to stack poison.
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cl_gibcount 9999 posted:oh if you are doing assassin with the huge poison bonus on crit then yeah that makes sense you'd want to spam ED for poison ED does a rather large amount of up front chaos damage that you can leverage for boss killing. Better that than trying to work that in with a 4 link somewhere. It's free and you have to devote gear to getting any better direct chaos damage. Your other option probably involves consuming darks and pizzas or fireball, which also gives poison to your ed so why bother. dis astranagant fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Oct 12, 2016 |
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Oct 12, 2016 06:35
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omeg posted:
I wish I could Hate you to death.
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whypick1 posted:I wish I could Hate you to death. I bet he can Taste the amount of hate you have for his luck.
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Oct 12, 2016 06:44
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I can Taste of Hate Sapphire Flask that because I... gently caress I did it wrong.
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Should i switch to zombies for tanking my SRS witch or does decoy totem become tanky later on with some supports without speccing totem nodes?
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Yolomon Wayne posted:Should i switch to zombies for tanking my SRS witch or does decoy totem become tanky later on with some supports without speccing totem nodes? mine is lvl 19 and with a totem life gem it tanks a few hits decently from t10+ bosses but it melts to elemental damage instantly pretty much
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Tabletops posted:mine is lvl 19 and with a totem life gem it tanks a few hits decently from t10+ bosses but it melts to elemental damage instantly pretty much Isnt there an elemental resist gem for totems or something? I tried zombies a bit but im running out of hotkeys so id really like to stay with totems. Also i understand that a +3 staff (realm ender?) is basically BiS for raging spirits, but ive done this and am looking into other ways to entertain myself. Anyone tried the maligaros lens / necromantic aegis thing? Or any non-staff-SRS basically?
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Like, i dont know, Bringer of Raging Rain Spirits or something? e: Would an EB-Hierophant cast 7-link SRS in his helmet for free? Ive never tried EB or Hiero, how does it work? e2: tripple decoy totem if we are considering actually surviving uber-lab? e3: or rather 20% elem.pen for SRS in BoR (they do convert 50% phys to fire and get cold from hatred...) Yolomon Wayne fucked around with this message at 10:50 on Oct 12, 2016 |
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Oct 12, 2016 10:33
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Yolomon Wayne posted:Like, i dont know, Bringer of Raging Rain Spirits or something? Actually, the big thing this league with SRS is +3 bows.
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Ah, forgot the bowcasters... Nevertheless, im kinda intrigued by the idea of hipster builds, and i came up with this between coffee breaks: https://www.pathofexile.com/passive...ybsiilPnjxxYp2u The plan is to use Bringer of Rain with SRS - spell echo - minion damage (or multistrike) - melee splash for a 7 link srs setup thats free and penetrates 20% resist due to Hierophant ascendancy. Hence no extra investment into mana or mana regeneration or ES, but instead Armor and shield bonus with a Lioneyes Remorse as shield. Defenses are 165% max life with 3 jewel sockets that i thought to fill with 7% life and castspeed gems for 184%, 132% armor and 90% shield bonus for 222% armor bonus from lion eyes 1400 for a total of roughly 4k armor from the shield with 41% block from tree/shield/helmet. 63% elemental resists while holding a shield leave 72 each from gear to cap which should be doable. I have no idea if this would actually work out or not, but i could see myself trying it out for science (once i inevitably tank my srs witch). e: Maybe a Sorrow of the Divine flask somewhere to refill ES? Yolomon Wayne fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Oct 12, 2016 |
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Yolomon Wayne posted:Isnt there an elemental resist gem for totems or something? Why not Null's Inclination?
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Bingo posted:Why not Null's Inclination? afaik Zeno tried it and had major problems killing bosses since it only triggers on kill. If the boos-escort doesnt give you enough ammo to kill the boss you can go home.
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What about something like this for a claw Reave -3 frenzy charge Raider? Could add in Vaal Pact if needed, or grab Point Blank and switch to Molten Strike.
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So did i understand this right: .) Hierophant pays no mana for any active spells/skills as long as hes on full energy shield. .) Which means when taking 1 point of damage he is no longer on full ES and pays mana again. .) EB moves ES over to mana so when taking damage ES isnt depleted. .) But the node before "free spells" makes 10% of damage into mana damage which in turn makes it ES damage again because ES protects mana with EB. .) so im back at square 1 with "free spells unless 1 point of damage taken". .) SRS wont leech to me and thus ghost reaver wont refill ES to make spells free. .) Zealots oath would redirect life reg to ES reg which is instant as opposed to recharge which takes "time without taking damage" to start. Is there, apart from the unique flask that gives ZO for the duration a way to keep ES full for free spells without taking the ZO-node or leeching via ghost reaver myself?
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Either you take no damage to maintain the free spells or you use another source of reduced mana cost (reduced mana gem, the vertex, etc.). If you use Eldritch Battery you'll never be on full energy shield when you cast a spell. That may not be true for the first spell you cast but everything subsequent will certainly not be on full ES.
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nearly killed em! posted:Either you take no damage to maintain the free spells or you use another source of reduced mana cost (reduced mana gem, the vertex, etc.). If you use Eldritch Battery you'll never be on full energy shield when you cast a spell. That may not be true for the first spell you cast but everything subsequent will certainly not be on full ES. Wait, is 2x50% reduced cost not "0 mana cost" but instead just -100% from total multiplier cost?
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Lungboy posted:What about something like this for a claw Reave -3 frenzy charge Raider? Could add in Vaal Pact if needed, or grab Point Blank and switch to Molten Strike. Claws are not in a great place right now. I am really enjoying Lacerate, coming from 2 years of Reave on and off.
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Yolomon Wayne posted:Wait, is 2x50% reduced cost not "0 mana cost" but instead just -100% from total multiplier cost? It's the former. At full ES:  At not-full ES: 
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whypick1 posted:It's the former. So, in theory as long as i dont take damage, the 7-link srs would be free? fake edit: some guy doing BoR-SRS but with totems and no EB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcIIIXs5V78
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devoir posted:Claws are not in a great place right now. I am really enjoying Lacerate, coming from 2 years of Reave on and off. I think it's easily switched to dagger. e: never tried Lacerate, could give it a whirl.
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I think the consensus now is that Lacerate is better overall than Reave, which is funny because everyone hated Lacerate and thought it was 100% the other way last league. The fact that you don't have to maintain stacks is just so much less stressful for someone who wants to loot stuff.
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Sorry about double post. but a FYI for anyone doing a Cospri's Malice Cyclone build: watch your attack speed. If your tooltip "attacks per second" on Cyclone is faster than 5, you will lose some crits to the cooldown on Cospri's. I spent half an hour testing this last night to be sure though I suspected it before. Note that it's 5 attacks per second because Cyclone hits twice as fast as it says (so 5 = 10 attacks per second, cooldown on Cospri's is 0.1 seconds). I took off all my sources of random other damage and swapped in a lvl 1 Frostbolt gem, then spent 15 minutes hitting a corrupted remnant dude on Ledge. With Faster Attacks I get 5.3 attacks per second, without Faster Attacks I get 3.8. My setup had me at 95% crit chance and the mob was cursed with Assassin's Mark, so I was always critting it. Every time I spun minimum distance through it with Faster Attacks on, I shot 3 Frostbolts. Every time I did it with Faster Attacks off, I heard the same number of "hit sounds," but I shot 4 Frostbolts. This was extremely consistent over a period of around 15 minutes of walking around the mob, letting both of our ES pools recharge, and repeating. I don't know why I got 3 instead of 2, but I suspect it's either because the "2 attacks per spin" of cyclone is not perfectly evenly spaced, or because with 5.3 aps that min distance spin actually attacked 5 times. I don't know what the best way to optimize this actually is, because I really don't think using like a lvl 12 Faster Attacks with no quality is optimal. Also it doesn't matter as much for Cospri's Discharge because the crits you waste are still generating power charges, though Discharge also generates power charges itself so Discharging less = less power charges from those. I believe I have no sources of attack speed besides the standard nodes everyone gets on the tree (actually I'm skipping Harrier so I get less than the standard attack speed nodes) and the +8% from Kraityn in Cruel. Maybe it's correct to path differently and also kill Kraityn to get less attack speed, so a 20/20 Faster Attacks actually puts you at just under 5 APS?
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Yolomon Wayne posted:So, in theory as long as i dont take damage, the 7-link srs would be free? Yes. Something also to think about is you can get 82% reduced cost from Hierophant and some nodes on tree. The 20% life wheel Tireless has reduced cost, as does the mana at Templar start and Dynamo by the Scion life wheel. If you fill out both wheels it goes up to 89% reduced with 100% uptime. You might only need a single bit of Elreon jewellery to hit zero cost on all your spells and then you won't have to worry about not being hit
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Got my second Shav's this league and hit 90 on my main at the same time, and I'm choosing to interpret this as a sign. What's a good low-life build, should I just do BV pathfinder or are there other cool builds that need Shav's?
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cl_gibcount 9999 posted:oh if you are doing assassin with the huge poison bonus on crit then yeah that makes sense you'd want to spam ED for poison Hm, if it's true that the Decay degen is affected by all the same supports as the base skill, then you are actually correct that Rapid Decay should be used instead of poison, unless the attack rate is 1/sec or more, or you have some REALLY good gear (% chaos diamond rings with the resists you need, a decay wand with spell damage AND multiplier, tri T1 stat jewels.) Kinda regretting that I already started leveling as assassin yesterday, now. 
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StashAugustine posted:Got my second Shav's this league and hit 90 on my main at the same time, and I'm choosing to interpret this as a sign. What's a good low-life build, should I just do BV pathfinder or are there other cool builds that need Shav's? Pretty much any spell build would benefit from going LL. ED, BV, Arc, whatever.
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Vasudus posted:Pretty much any spell build would benefit from going LL. ED, BV, Arc, whatever. I was leaning BV since that's what everyone's doing but having to buy a Vinktar's is a bit expensive. Guardian passives look cool but it doesn't look like they're considered that great right now?
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StashAugustine posted:Got my second Shav's this league and hit 90 on my main at the same time, and I'm choosing to interpret this as a sign. What's a good low-life build, should I just do BV pathfinder or are there other cool builds that need Shav's? I have a friend in EHC who is LL BV pathfinder and its insane. Of course, it's basically as meta as you can possibly get, but it's one of the strongest temp-league builds in the game (if not the strongest).
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Which build guide is good for LL pathfinder then? The one I found wants Voll's Devotion and lol
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StashAugustine posted:I was leaning BV since that's what everyone's doing but having to buy a Vinktar's is a bit expensive. Guardian passives look cool but it doesn't look like they're considered that great right now? Guardian is amazing, but its designed for supporting not solo play.
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I just did the following tests with Cospri's Malice over the course of like 80 minutes: 1. Went into pvp with DBK with a poison gem and +10 flat phys damage to test if I lose procs. DBK was getting 4 stacks of poison over short cyclones with Faster Attacks, 3 stacks of poison over short cyclones without Faster Attacks. Both of these cases triggered 2 lvl 1 frostbolts. On long cyclones, I don't remember the number, but it was always like 6 stacks of poison = 3 frostbolts. No matter what, even at 3.8 aps, I was losing triggers SOMEWHERE. 2. Because there's been some discussion about the leech on Cospri's Discharge being bugged, both Rodent and I tested this today. I tried the following: Go into Dried Lake, kill everything near Voll, then manual cast Vortex and Discharge at 7 Power Charges and record how much life I leeched back. Then socket the gems into Cospri's (separately, not triggering both at the same time), and record how much life I got back when I autoattacked Voll until I got a crit to trigger the spell. Both using Life Leech gem, I could not personally see a major difference in amount leeched, and Rodent couldn't either, so it appears the leech on single target with Cospri's Discharge is just very low. This is definitely worth testing more, though, because I hear there seems to be a major difference when using just life leech gem vs using life leech + Warmark. 3. Wore Pyre + 3 Dragons + Southbound so my all cold damage could never kill an enemy. Cleared out every enemy around Normal Kuduku. Used only Frostbolt as a triggered spell because it's easy to count. Did the following tests with no faster attacks (3.8 aps), with lvl 11 faster attacks (4.9 aps), and with 19/20 faster attacks (5.1 aps) 3a. Recorded myself spinning on Kuduku for 5 seconds with a WSplit time, played back the recording stopping to count number of Frostbolts triggered in slow motion. Made sure to do min distance spins as fast as possible, which is how you're supposed to use cyclone. Did this process 5 times for all 3 cases. 3.8 aps = 23 procs, 4.9 aps = 25-26 procs, 5.1 aps = 27 procs. 3b. Did long distance spins with 0% movespeed through Kuduku. 3.8 aps = 8 procs, 4.9 aps = 6-7 procs, 5.1 aps = 5-6 procs. My conclusions: Cyclone's hits are loving weird as poo poo, and the way they interact with "free hits" granted by starting a Cyclone makes it extremely loving hard to figure out optimal attack speed points. No matter what your attack speed is, you lose procs somewhere. You are never actually triggering Cospri's at a rate equal to your attacks per second with Cyclone regardless of how low your attack speed is, and I suspect it's because instead of attacking "twice per spin" like the wiki says at even intervals, they are not evenly spaced. My recommendation right now is that because it looks like the typical Cyclone behavior generates the most procs at 5.1 aps, you should just get as much attack speed as you can and not worry about any kind of breakpoints. For the leech thing, I don't know but I use VRF so gently caress worrying about long single target fights.
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StashAugustine posted:Which build guide is good for LL pathfinder then? The one I found wants Voll's Devotion and lol just use a CI guide and change the nodes? I assume you only 5L your shavs, so compensate for that
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