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 If you followed the old thread, the newest episode is Episode 6, March of the Scourge  Thread Rules No story spoilers. I mean, let's be reasonable, most people even vaguely aware of Warcraft know that Arthas becomes the Lich King and Illidan is now some weird demon thing that berates you for not being prepared. Not everyone knows the full story, though, and I'd like to keep a lid on plot points and story elements. It's not great art, but it's entertaining enough to be worth experiencing spoiler free.  Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos is the final RTS in the Warcraft franchise (not including its expansion pack). Released in 2002, it's an RTS with some strong RPG elements including hero units with inventories that level up. It is, obviously, the sequel to Warcraft 2, but deviates very strongly from that model. It adds two new races (the Undead and Night Elves), and the RPG elements and numerous unit abilities make it a lot different from most other RTS games I've played. For a time it was my favorite most played game. There's not an (archived) LP of it yet, and I figured it was worth doing. It features four campaigns, one for each race (plus one extremely short tutorial campaign). We'll be going through all of them (plus one short mini-campaign Blizzard released to bridge the prologue and the Orc campaign AKA the Warcraft 3 Demo). 
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Dec 13, 2015 15:43
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Nice to see this back! I don't think anyone can blame you for taking long on a loving defense mission, these things are a nightmare to commentate. Good luck on the actually long ones.
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Dec 13, 2015 15:47
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anilEhilated posted:Nice to see this back! I don't think anyone can blame you for taking long on a loving defense mission, these things are a nightmare to commentate. Good luck on the actually long ones. Under the Burning Sky is going to be... something. I'm not even entirely sure I can do that one in one cut without saving.
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Dec 13, 2015 15:49
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Will definitely be following this, I loved Warcraft 3 when I was a kid
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Dec 13, 2015 16:10
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Wow. This thread is already double undead and we haven't even managed to reach that campaign yet. I wonder what amazing feats of thread necromancy yet await us. Still, I'm glad this is back, maybe I'll get the chance to gush about the music after all. And also to complain about it. The soundtrack to this game is somehow amazing and amazingly frustrating at the same time.
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Dec 13, 2015 17:38
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hah, was just gonna say it's too bad this thread didn't die in the Scourge campaign, all kinds of bad jokes woulda littered the thread  At any rate though I am glad to see this back in action, always like a good WarCraft LP
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Dec 13, 2015 18:58
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Aces High posted:hah, was just gonna say it's too bad this thread didn't die in the Scourge campaign, all kinds of bad jokes woulda littered the thread It'll have its chance
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Dec 13, 2015 19:17
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Having skimmed through this and a few of the previous updates again, have you ever done one of your info cards for the sorceresses, Jsor?
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Dec 13, 2015 20:58
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Aumanor posted:Having skimmed through this and a few of the previous updates again, have you ever done one of your info cards for the sorceresses, Jsor? Huh, I must've forgotten. Another thing for the errata video I guess.
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Dec 14, 2015 02:33
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Was, and still am a huge Warcraft fan - I've actually been playing through this again recently myself, so definitely watching this.
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Dec 14, 2015 03:13
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I don't think I've ever managed to finish that mission without getting my base wrecked at the end like you did there.
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Dec 14, 2015 04:45
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Wanamingo posted:I don't think I've ever managed to finish that mission without getting my base wrecked at the end like you did there. These are always scripted so that the volume of units puts you at your last leg. The Undead finale, for instance, I've lost with under 1 second left because it can be a matter of whether the enemy actually remembers to target the objective or not. I am very appreciative that the ensuing cutscene makes it appear like you're doing far better than you actually were.
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Dec 14, 2015 06:13
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Regarding Arthas' ultimate, I know exactly why it feels underwhelming, as you mentioned in episode 6. The simple answer: You're fighting undead. Most of your corpses (that aren't exploded by Meat Wagons) will be quickly turned into skeletons by enemy necromancers, leaving you nothing to resurrect. The human campaign in general is kind of a dick to your healers in general, honestly, for the same reason. By fighting the undead, Arthas' healing gets hampered by temptations to use Holy Light as an offensive tool (usually Necromancers or Abominations, or Frost Wyrms, myself), as well as the previously-mentioned issue with resurrection. As an addition, priests end up having a LOT of trouble due to dealing with disease cloud for most of the campaign. With the constant ticking damage, your priests, if left autohealing unattended, will spend their entire mana pool on minor coughs, leading to a need to either deal with constantly out-of-mana priests, or spend a lot more effort on micromanaging whether heal is on autocast or not. EDIT: I've noticed that AI on Hard is *much* noticeably smarter. Between switching targets to prioritize workers that are repairing structures, to doing the same thing to target your siege weapons, the AI is very aggressive about targeting your delicate, important units to a degree that it most certainly does NOT engage on normal difficulty. BlazetheInferno fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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Dec 14, 2015 07:20
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I don't know if Akul has found their way to this thread, but if you have, I wanted to say thanks for the TFT custom campaign that contains the voiced demo, it was really helpful in recording the next episode! (Next episode for me, like 5 episodes from now for you guys).
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Dec 14, 2015 13:34
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I've been playing this game and Frozen Throne off and on for years now pretty much because it just seems to be the one PC game I have that disappears and reappears every time I move. After living at my current place for a year or so I found it again in one of my junk boxes so I've been working through it yet again.
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Dec 14, 2015 14:00
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You can register your cd-key on battle.net and download an installation from there. Hang to the key though.
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Dec 14, 2015 16:36
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Interesting, it sounds like the original plans for WC3 are very close to how Dawn of War 2 came out: minimal to no base-building, controlling areas rather than building or gathering, and a strong emphasis on micromanaging a small number of units. Also, I think the high elves may have been one of the two cut races. We'll eventually see that they have their own unique looks for most Alliance units and buildings despite being functionally the same.
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Dec 14, 2015 18:38
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Worth noting that if you're VERY quick and maybe skip the cutscene, you can actually save a couple of the soldiers that die at the very start if you move them. They start with like 1 hp to die quick, but hey, grab a priest and you have a extra bulwark.
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Destroying the undead bases was mentioned in the video, and I'd like to point out that you don't just wait around after they're gone. In WC3's defense missions, you instantly win after you finish off the last enemy building. However, there is one notable exception to this. I do know of a speedrun of this level, that also shows off a couple other secrets/features if you'd like me to post it.
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Dec 15, 2015 03:55
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Alpha3KV posted:Destroying the undead bases was mentioned in the video, and I'd like to point out that you don't just wait around after they're gone. In WC3's defense missions, you instantly win after you finish off the last enemy building. However, there is one notable exception to this. I do know of a speedrun of this level, that also shows off a couple other secrets/features if you'd like me to post it. The exception is the very last mission, isn't it? Because that's the only one I've tried it on.
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Dec 15, 2015 04:41
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it is, the SDA speedrun still has you wait out the timer and you can just have this huge army waiting to just wreck the boss' poo poo every time he comes out.
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Dec 15, 2015 05:55
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Yeah, from messing around with god mode, I know that even if you completely wipe the enemies off the map you still have to wait the final mission out.
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Dec 15, 2015 06:05
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Alpha3KV posted:Yeah, from messing around with god mode, I know that even if you completely wipe the enemies off the map you still have to wait the final mission out. This is likely because the enemy actually sells their entire base and rebuilds it every time they wipe one of the NPC bases, so making "no buildings" a win condition would probably break the game.  But that's a conversation for waaaaaay later.
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Dec 15, 2015 06:08
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oh cool, nice to see this back from dead again
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Other Blizzard game review: New HotS hero Lunara does not have amazing WC3 Dryad voice 0/10
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Jsor posted:New HotS hero Lunara does not have amazing WC3 Dryad voice 0/10
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Dec 17, 2015 19:21
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SPROINK!
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Dec 18, 2015 06:10
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anilEhilated posted:Thank God, now I might even buy her. Still not as bad as what they did with the dryad in DotA 2; I hear that and reach for the (sadly nonexistant) shotgun. Lunara is bad, don't get her until she is buffed. Play Raynor/Valla instead and be useful. Really happy to see this back and I am excited to see what happens next because I have forgotten the game.
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Eh, I'm the type who plays heroes for fun, not necessarily usefulness. Like, when I need to get an assassin, I'll gladly pick Nova and just be a bastard.
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Dec 19, 2015 15:59
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I like how Uther says "this battle's far from over" immediately before the end of the battle. Maybe you were originally supposed to use Uther's forces to turn the tide, but that turned out to be too long, or something.
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Dec 19, 2015 20:11
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I think Uther's referencing the battle against the whole undead army in general
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Dec 19, 2015 21:05
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In which I say dumb things about this mission. It's also extremely easy.
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If you put your farms in front of your towers they offer a lot more protection. I like this mission too, while I hated it the first time I played it is surprisingly fun. Hmmm, if this game had been done today Arthas would have been 100% unambiguously good and right until he, inevitably, gets corrupted. Poil fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Dec 20, 2015 |
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Dec 20, 2015 20:51
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Is it just Arthas that Malganis cares about? If it is, it seems like splitting your units up might've hurried things along.
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Poil posted:If you put your farms in front of your towers they offer a lot more protection. I actually know that, but it feels so gamey I can't bring myself to do it. With Orcs it makes some sense, and I guess you could make an argument for Nelves since their farms are resupply stations, but for humans it's just weird. Wanamingo posted:Is it just Arthas that Malganis cares about? If it is, it seems like splitting your units up might've hurried things along. I'm actually not entirely sure, but I think he seeks to anyone attacking buildings.
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Dec 20, 2015 21:04
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Jsor posted:I actually know that, but it feels so gamey I can't bring myself to do it. With Orcs it makes some sense, and I guess you could make an argument for Nelves since their farms are resupply stations, but for humans it's just weird.
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Dec 20, 2015 21:17
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alright with Stratholme done now we get to the best hero in the game 
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Dec 21, 2015 02:36
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Aces High posted:alright with Stratholme done now we get to the best hero in the game His name is very close to Murderin' I'll give him that.
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So what's with Blizzard's obsession with goodly heroes becoming CORRUPTED? It's an interesting plot once or twice, but it seems to happen three to five times per franchise.
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