dublish posted:

Jack Gladney posted:

In Star Wars everyone is a neuter except for freaks like Leia and Han Solo, and Luke's parents. Nobody says anything to their faces, of course, but they're all thinking how weird it is to kiss and junk.

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

(Keep in mind that, when Luke blew up the Death Star, he killed every prisoner held there - except The Princess, of course. All those blue shirt guys from the opening scene, all the aliens (who must have existed in order for Chewbaca's disguise to work), and all the droids that were made to serve.... We don't care about those deaths because, naturally, they aren't royalty. That's ideology at work: the film itself makes Leia's superiority seem completely natural. [...]

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

You're getting caught up in some sort of canon. I'm just talking about what's onscreen. In the narrative, we have two conflicting sets of imagery:

One is the Death Star as a purely spectral presence, a nightmarish vision of the future. Chewbacca is enslaved, all the plants are gone, etc. Luke and Han dispel this apocalyptic nightmare, and the people live happily on a planet that remains lush and green. In this view, the Death Star is a purely metaphorical space. We don't see the other prisoners because they don't exist. There is only the imagery of Leia huddled in the darkness.

On the other hand, the Death Star is a literal enemy 'country' that neighbors all the others, in the present. The Death Star can consequently stand in for any bad nation, from America to North Korea - and then you have this idea that there's no downside to killing everyone, because their population is better off dead. They're no more than drones, unlike us. That's the logic of the prequel Jedi, and of the Republic.

The result of this inconsistency is that you can have your cake and eat it too. Luke can blow up a country, but it's not fully 'real'. It's an abstraction, as in Ender's Game. There's a grey circle with a green line coming out of it.

Danger posted:

The ideological statement is that the laborers and slaves on the death star are invisible.

Bongo Bill posted:

"Execution" is the free space in prequel criticism bingo, and the rest of this post still just means that you were told a different story than the one you were expecting.

Fred Breakfast posted:

Don't talk poo poo on Sheev, bruh.

Lincoln posted:

Droids = peasants

MonsieurChoc posted:

You know, maybe they could do a Pod Racing movie. Just a bunch of colorful characters trying to win the Big Race.

UmOk posted:

You should watch again. He didn't have a headbomb in Episode 2.

Hodgepodge posted:

Kinda making him look dark side here. He reminds me of... Dooku?

The MSJ posted:

FlamingLiberal posted:

TPM should be the worst one

FlamingLiberal posted:

The CGI in that battle has NOT held up at all

El Burbo posted:

They shouldn't have built the second one with the same flaw tbh

Milky Moor posted:

Krennic was/is my favorite Star Wars.

porfiria posted:

It's always fun in a movie when a random faceless mook gives the hero a hard time. I can't think of any other examples right now but it's definitely fun.

Edit: Maybe that older German soldier in the truck in Indiana Jones 3?

K. Waste posted:

That's the thing about Rogue One and criticisms that the characters and their respective experiences are under-defined. Characters aren't just islands, they reflect upon one another. As SMG has pointed out, Cassian's experience reflects upon aspects of Jyn's experience that aren't explicitly shown, and that's not the only area in which Rogue One plays with this sense of duality. Indeed, the whole film is built rather overtly around duality. The most obvious example is Chirrut and Baze (the faith of the former bringing the latter out of his cynicism), Kay and Bodhi (both participants in the struggle who were formerly imperial soldiers who became 're-programmed' to fight for the rebellion), Saw and Galen (both father-figures as well as doomed subversives within their respective political spheres). Even the 'fan service' in the movie is explicitly dualistic: Artoo and Threepio, the two mooks who escape the genocide on Jedha only to be made examples by Obi-Wan, the CGI-realized Tarkin and Leia.

And, of course, the whole movie is about the problematic duality between the Empire and the Rebel Alliance, that the overly pragmatic concerns of the latter betray how they'll inevitably succumb to the corruption that spawned the former.

Pops Mgee posted:

Compromise 3 wings.

Ripping off Battlestar would be perfect. It's like poetry

Mr President posted:

Star Wars used to be hard sci-fi. JJ thinks every planet is like right next to each other like countries. I mean I am fully aware there is SOME fantasy elements in Star Wars but Starkiller sucking up a sun and using the power to shoot a laser across the galaxy (that every planet can see in the sky apparently) and then branch off into 6 "Smart" lasers that automatically destroy 6 planets that are right next to each other that apparently make up the entire Republic was really loving horseshit. As was the lazy tv style flashbacks and changing the mythology and the ground rules of the Star Wars Universe to suit JJ's phoned in lazy style of filmmaking.

And Starkiller isn't even as dumb as that whole segment of Star Trek Into Darkness where they get out of hyper space far from earth and the ships are suspended in space, then one ship gets destroyed and somehow crashes into earth which was apparently right below it the whole time or JJ's Script for Man of Steel that makes me seriously question if he is even remotely familiar with the character or story.

Taintrunner posted:

Starkiller Base could have gotten away as like, an Episode 9 review. A slow build to the First Order building something to surpass the Empire that's hinted at and they roll into a big climatic confrontation with all the characters coming together into a larger conflict. Instead it's dropped and popped with no weight or consequence, hell, the closing shot of the death beam hitting it's target is two characters from a Disney EU novel we're supposed to care about.

Mr President posted:

Finn looks up as sees hosnia exploding and instantly shouts "its the republic!"

First of all there is no way they should have been able to see Hosnia from the planet there on and second how the gently caress would Finn know that was the republic capital?

Oh I know how: lazy storytelling. The story needed an excuse for Finn to suddenly go back to han and Rey after running away wanting nothing to do with them a few minutes prior

Davros1 posted:

Kylo's basically the same character as Anakin

Mr President posted:

He was a low level janitor and made no mention prior that he knew of their plans

You would think after realizing that he was on Han "the war heros" ship he would mention that the republic was about to get wiped out

Neo Rasa posted:

"I wish the really brazen Nazi allegory faction in this series didn't have a scene in Force Awakens with a Nazi-esque salute, that way they'd be just different enough from Nazis that it wouldn't be awkward for me to openly root for them."

thrawn527 posted:

I guess, but we're not in Rome, we're on another planet. I suppose it does more to link the scene to something we may be more familiar with, I just don't see the need for it when one of the most common complaints is that the whole scene is too long. Jabba and (presumably) Bib Fortuna are unneeded set dressing, to me.

Lord Hydronium posted:

See, I quite like Jabba's cameo, because it really makes him feel like an institution of Tatooine. He's not just an obstacle that shows up at the end of the saga to give Luke something to do in the first half of ROTJ, he's a hugely important part of Tatooine society who's been around since the days of the Old Republic (and who was a big deal even then, so he's been around longer than the saga itself). It's not "necessary" in a plot sense - you could easily tell TPM's story without him - but I think it's a really cool addition to Jabba's character and the sense of Tatooine as a place. I'd actually put it as one of the better OT cameos.

banned from Starbucks posted:

its not a shady sex/drug den its a mobsters nightclub

banned from Starbucks posted:

No its a nightclub. Complete with bouncers, guest list a full band and huge musical performances. He has dedicated droids to serve people drinks.

banned from Starbucks posted:

The whole back wall opposite Jabba is little alcoves with people sitting around tables with drinks and stuff watching entertainment. It def has more than just a "place where his cronies go to get the next bounty contract" feel to it. Also theres really no difference between the palace and barge. Its filled entirely with the same people who moments ago were all in the palace. His patrons are all getting served booze inside while his henchmen are riding on the little flying dingys.

DeimosRising posted:

A lot of what we see in ANH is Luke's perspective on Tatooine. Ironically given Lynch almost directed it, RotJ has a Blue Velvet thing going on where he discovers his boring hometown has thriving criminal and bdsm scenes

josh04 posted:

Jabba has taken a fall between TPM and ROTJ. In TPM he's a louche emperor, seeing people live and die in the pod race for his amusement, sole despot on a planet outside the control of the republic. By ROTJ, (presumably at the instigation of Vader!) Tatooine has been brought under the heel of the Empire and Jabba is a petty tyrant in exile, wallowing in the shadow of his former role in a dank speakeasy surrounded by lickspittles and scum.

Beeez posted:

But we know even in Empire that there are bounty hunters all over the galaxy looking for Han. Both from the dialogue Han has with that General as he's trying to leave, and the fact that at least one of the bounty hunters the Empire employs is looking for Han for that reason. So that already implies it's not a low-level thing.