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Roland Jones posted:He reappears in the arc that started up after where the anime left off. In fact, he and Leorio are the stars of it, rather than Gon and Killua. Sadly, the manga went on hiatus just about when it was finishing the setup chapters, so until Togashi picks things back up that's all we have. It's a shame, too, because more Leorio and Kurapika, plus more Zodiacs (with Cheadle seemingly being the main secondary character for the arc) and other stuff made it look like it was going to be really good. Also Ging and Pariston road tripping together.
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Gon's out of the story completely: Leorio and Kurapika are the main characters now. Well, probably not, but I'd respect Togashi if that happened (assuming anything ever happens ever again). Gon loses his nen forever and is just a normal kid with no potential now.
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NecroMonster posted:dad says he can probably train to get it back and, while ging is a total loving rear end in a top hat jerk, i really really doubt he's wrong about much of anything ever When did Ging say that? All I remember is him saying he'd become "normal", as in unable to use or see nen, like a normal person. He still has an aura, it's just not particularly powerful. Again, like a normal person. And then this was immediately followed by a discussion of his education, implying that he wouldn't be doing hunter stuff anymore.
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:I want to see what his nen power is. I love that bald badass. He shows up on the boat only to die, like Pokkle.
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He specifically said that it's nothing as fancy as a power, just a talent of his. The idea being that he's skilled enough at basic nen manipulation to reverse engineer things like that.
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Serious Frolicking posted:I don't think Ging relies on his primary nen ability, whatever that might be. His fundamental abilities are so high that he doesn't need to. This isn't really based on any evidence. So he's like Biscuit then? With some frivolous/cosmetic ability but super good fundamentals? ^^^^ Ging can only learn "striking" type abilities like that. He can't imitate crazy conditional powers or anything. Basically, emission, enhancement, and maybe simple transformation (like Bungie Gum), but probably not conjuration or manipulation. It's a "mastery of basic nen control" thing, not a superpower. Clarste fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Dec 23, 2015 |
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There's also this Japanese sense of "hatred among peers", in that the closer you are to someone's level, the more you see their faults rather than idolize them. Rank and file hunters look up to Ging as a hero, but people roughly on his level (the Zodiacs) just find him insufferable.
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Dec 23, 2015 09:14
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Cheadle is a disease hunter, she probably cured cancer or something.
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korrandark posted:Fairly certain Pitou wanted to kill Gon. It was when Gon told Knuckle where the King was. Pitou didn't want to kill Gon, but she felt like she needed to. Right before their fight, Pitou said something like "I'm sorry, but I need to kill you." And there's really no reason for Pitou to lie about that. The idea being that she learned empathy very quickly.
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Dec 27, 2015 18:55
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Well, Ging's an rear end in a top hat so it all checks out.
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I'm pretty sure Kurapika's nen condition works based on how he personally would perceive the situation if he knew all the facts about it. Like, there isn't some magic objective arbiter of what is or isn't a Spider, but he can still be tricked. Uh... that wasn't very clear. I think the closest comparison is Shizuku's vacuum cleaner. She can't suck up living beings, but apparently she doesn't consider blood alive, even when it's still inside something alive. It clearly contains living cells that metabolize and reproduce, but she personally doesn't consider it alive so it doesn't count. And she can even use this limitation as a filter to find the one living person buried under a mountain of corpses, that she didn't even know existed. Anyway, I think Kurapika's ability would work like that.
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Kild posted:Gon's had his power "sealed" 3 times now and the previous 2 times had him come out of it way stronger. So is he gonna force his Nen out again due to emotion or learn it proper? It'd be neat to see him training with Zushi again. He paid the price for his technique, so if he gets out of this easily then that undermines everything that happened to him (even moreso than Alluka's miracles already did). I think that would be an absolutely terrible storytelling decision. Every other time he's been sealed, it's been because of someone else's ability. This was his own ability, and is exactly one of the limits and conditions this thread has been praising.
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Considering that not only did Gon lose his nen, he also finally found his father and parted ways with Killua, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if his story is simply over. That's kind of what made the anime ending such a good stopping place. I can totally imagine Hunter x Hunter continuing without Gon at all, if it ever continues.
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Bad Seafood posted:The ability to create people puppets is one of my favorite "Bad guy" superpowers, both for the innate horror factor as well as the obvious benefits and limitations. It's an interesting ability that's unnerving to see in action and makes for a compelling combat puzzle on both sides. Shalnark himself is also one of my favorite Spiders, and I really like how his cheerful attitude and even-keeled temperament contrasts with his job, affiliations, and lifestyle. Him flipping a super strength switch which puts him on auto-pilot effectively cuts out everything I liked about his character. I didn't get the impression that Shalnark's super mode was especially powerful: it's more of a panic button for when everything else fails. In terms of raw strength, I doubt it's even nearly a match for the more frontline fighters in the Troupe, and probably unreliable against anyone he'd normally consider a threat. It just makes him not totally useless in a brawl. Also, I don't see how it'd be much of a combat puzzle to go up against, honestly. It's just a binary "dodge or die" attack, since once he tags you he just wins immediately.
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Bad Seafood posted:The whole people puzzle thing isn't meant to be a puzzle for the people who get controlled, it's a puzzle for everyone else - or can be at least. Chess isn't a puzzle for the pieces, it's a game between players. This doesn't necessarily apply to Hunter x Hunter, but let's say we've got a bad guy who's physically weak but can manipulate people and a good guy who's strong but doesn't want to injure innocent bystanders. Can you see how this setup would lead to a tense situation? I don't see how this changes anything actually. You can still have the exact same situation. I mean, did you ever expect Shalnark to be weak? Even Pakunoda and Shizuku and whatnot were more than a match for Gon and Killua at that point in the story, just from basic nen fundamentals, and there's no reason to think Shalnark wouldn't be at least as strong. The idea of a Phantom Troupe member being helpless enough that it becomes purely a game of hide and seek (instead of just mostly a game of hide and seek) was absurd to begin with, auto-pilot mode or not.
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Well, I just think it makes sense as the sort of back-up plan a clever person would choose. You want a flexible, well-rounded ability that doesn't have any glaring weaknesses, so I took the reveal as just another indication of his cleverness, rather than undermining it.
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Roland Jones posted:Pitou's a specialist, actually. So Manipulation and Conjuration are both nearby. As I recall, they said something like "Manipulators and Conjurers are the groups most likely to develop a Specialist skill." The impression I got was that most if not all Specialists were like Kurapika, and had one of the normal categories plus Specialization on top of that. So, for example, Chrollo would be a conjurer/specialist (he summons the book), while Pitou would be a manipulator/specialist. It doesn't really make any difference though.
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MonsterEnvy posted:As I mentioned Pitou uses Conjouration more then Manipulation. All of her Specialist abilities involve the use of conjuring puppets and dolls. The puppets and dolls seem to be closer to the "nen construct" style than the "conjured object" style. We've seen plenty of emitters use things like that (Knuckle, for one) despite the fact that emission is on the exact opposite side of the diagram from conjuration. They tend not to actually do anything other than visually represent what the nen user is doing. I always assumed that they were just clouds of nen that had no real weight, and probably can't be seen by normals at all, and probably not touched even by nen users (again, Knuckle's little thing).
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The doctor doesn't have weight, it's magically fixed in space (which Pitou once used to stop in mid-air). It's unclear if the tools actually exist or merely represent the manipulation of flesh through nen, but the fact that Pitou fixed her broken arm through her sleeve indicates the latter to me.
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Alder posted:Did he manage to get all the remaining eyes or not? Not quite yet. The next arc seems to involve him.
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Basically Kite is the one who inspired Gon to become a Hunter and look for Ging. He made it sound really awesome when Gon was a kid.
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Ytlaya posted:Why would he blame himself, other than some silly "I should have been strong enough to protect him!" thing? Did Gon's actions directly lead to Kite's death (maybe they did, I'm not asking hypothetically)? Kite lost his arm protecting Gon from Pitou, so if Gon hadn't been there maybe he could have won. That's the logic anyway: that insisting on being brought along got Kite killed. quote:As far as "worst nen abilities" goes, Squala's dog manipulation thing comes to mind. I'm pretty sure any trained hunter could instantly kill a bunch of dogs attacking them, and the only really useful applications of his ability are really cruel towards the dogs (ala "send suicide dog to scout") and I doubt he would do such a thing in the first place. I'm pretty sure the dogs would be protected by Squala's nen in battle. Not necessarily the best weapon ever, but no worse than playing cards anyway.
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I don't think Pokkle's ability involved transmutation, at least not significantly. They were color-coded, sure, but that's not a huge investment compared to something like Castro's clones. He basically just shot bullets (arrows) out of his fingers, and wasn't all that great at it. It's a reflection of his mediocrity in general, not of his lack of creativity.
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Probably true. Hunters are professional badasses after all.
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Roland Jones posted:Yes, really. It's why Kurapika needs to be in Emperor Time to use his healing chain; while it's still a conjured chain, his power in Enhancement is not enough to heal himself when he's a Conjurer; he needs his Enhancement boost (and, you know, all the other boosts) from Emperor Time to use the healing chain, and his pinky chain as well since it has Manipulation and it's also separated from him permanently post-use so it's emitted technically I think as well. That's not the only example, but I think it's one of the better ones. Kastro's double is another, since it's explicitly stated to be both Conjuration and Manipulation, two non-adjacent categories. Neither of which were his primary, as well, which resulted in compound problems and overwhelmed him. Interestingly, Pitou is also terrible at healing people, presumably for similar reasons (specialist being on the opposite side from enhancement). Just compare Kurapika's instant, practically condition-free Thumb Chain in Emperor Time to Pitou's slow and immobile Doctor Blythe.
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It's just interesting that one of the most powerful nen users in the series chose an ability that she wasn't very talented at.
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Momomo posted:I remember Gon being terrified of having to go up against Hisoka, not pumped. He was trembling, which they said was a mixture of fear and excitement.
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Ytlaya posted:Doesn't she have multiple abilities? She also has that one where the doll grabs all her limbs and makes her fight beyond her limits. Yeah, her main ability is puppeteering (both of corpses and herself), but she came up with a surgeon ability because she wanted to fix Kite's body. For more puppeteering. Ytlaya posted:the obvious example of this is the Zodiacs, who I believe are never even mentioned before the election arc (which is kind of awkward when you consider that the Chimera Ant stuff was considered a serious enough threat to warrant Netero himself getting involved and even dying). There's a single chapter in the Chimera Ant arc where Morel is complaining about Pariston interfering with their work there, although he's not mentioned by name. Basically, Netero died because Pariston was trying to make things hard on him. Clarste fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Jan 6, 2016 |
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You'd think she would remember. Ging is Gon's mother, via the pregnancy stone from Greed Island.
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Speaking of Genthru, I've always found it kind of hilarious that one of the conditions for his time bomb ability is to explain his powers to the target, under the assumption that no one would ever interrupt him when he's giving out useful information.
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You can totally make up new abilities on the fly. That's what Cheetu did, and Gon.
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Roland Jones posted:And yeah, being able to use In to hide his chains is a major advantage Kurapika has and how he captures Uvo. This actually seems a bit silly to me. The idea that an experienced fighter like Uvo wouldn't think to use Gyo when things are even the slightest bit suspicious stretches my disbelief. I mean, he probably didn't go through that exact training that Biscuit did, when Gon and Killua were trained to use Gyo immediately, but it just seems like a standard precaution nen users use regularly. I'd say that fight was just meant to teach the audience how important this is, except for the fact that we already saw the exact same "hidden nen" thing with Hisoka against Castro. Not to say having the option to hide the chains isn't going to potentially be a tiny advantage, but everyone should be using Gyo in fights constantly.
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Oddly enough, Killua is actually slightly better at enhancement than Gon is, based on the little hatsu training exercises Biscuit gave them.
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But they're also experts at instantly redistributing your aura in the moment it takes to make a punch, or guard a punch. It's not much of a risk to briefly use Gyo is safer moments (like when they were taunting each other).
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That's what his fast movement is. His reflexes move faster than his nerve signals, but by definition that means all his movements have to be preprogrammed. Like that, he can only deal with predictable fighting styles.
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Asuron posted:No you're thinking of the second part of his ability. Kanmaru has two forms , the one where he just moves really fast and the one where he he can move faster than what his body allows. So against the dartboard ants, he knew what was coming so he does what you said and is able to stop it. He never uses the first part in combat though, which was the point I was making. He fights Youpi using the reflex stuff because that's the half of the ability that's oriented towards fighting. He can't just speed blitz whatever he wants, he has to turn his body onto autopilot in order to keep up with his own speed.
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Roland Jones posted:And yeah, Netero thought Pariston was entertaining, which Pariston kind of hated and thus tried harder and harder to gently caress with him. But he also enjoyed it in a way. At least, if I recall correctly; it's been a while since I read the series and all. I don't think any part of Pariston hated Netero. He seemed genuinely sad that he had died, which was the big reveal at the end of the Election arc, and even Ging thought that Pariston was the Zodiac being the most respectful towards Netero's wishes. It seems they both enjoyed their little game.
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Bad Seafood posted:Yeah, my biggest problem with the Chimera Ant arc is that there's just too many of them and not nearly enough of them are really that interesting or compelling. I agree. I usually skip past that part on re-reads and such.
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Even someone who's invincibly strong and fast can theoretically fall victim to some kind of weird trick-type nen. Manipulation or whatever.
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It really doesn't make much sense that Nen is a secret in this setting.
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