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I maintain that the trash compactor onboard the Death Star in Star Wars is implausible, unworkable, and moreover, inefficient. The Trash Compactor Debate turns on whether the Death Star ejects its trash into space. I, for one, believe it does. Though we never see the Death Star ejecting its trash, we do see another Empire ship, the so-called Star Destroyer, ejecting its trash into space. I therefore see no reason to suspect that Empire protocol dictating that trash be ejected into space would not apply equally to all Empire spacecraft, including the Death Star. The Death Star clearly has a garbage-disposal problem. Given its size and massive personnel, the amount of waste it generates — discarded food, broken equipment, excrement, and the like — boggles the imagination. That said, I just cannot fathom how an organization as ruthless and efficiently-run as the Empire would have signed off on such a dangerous, unsanitary, and shoddy garbage-disposal system as the one depicted in the movie. Here are the problems, as I can ascertain them, with the Death Star’s garbage-disposal system: 1. Ignoring the question of how Princess Leia could possibly know where the trash compactor is, or that the vent she blasts open leads to a good hiding place for the rescue crew, why are there vents leading down there at all? Would not vents leading into any garbage-disposal system allow the fetid smell of rotting garbage, spores, molds, etc., to seep up into the rest of the Death Star? Would not it have been more prudent for the designers of the Death Star to opt for a closed system, like a septic tank? 2. Why do both walls of the trash compactor move towards each other, rather than employing a one-movable-wall system that would thus rely on the anchored stability, to say nothing of the strength, of the other, non-moving wall, to crush trash more effectively? 3. Why does the trash compactor compact trash so slowly, and with such difficulty, once the resistance of a thin metal rod is introduced? Surely metal Death Star pieces are one of the main items of trash in need of compacting. It thus stands to reason that the trash compactor should have been better designed to handle the problem of a skinny piece of metal. (And while I hate to be the sort of person who says I told you so, I’d be remiss if I didn’t point out that a one-movable-wall system would have improved performance.) 4. Why does the trash compactor only compact trash sideways? Once ejected into space, wouldn’t the flattened, living-room-sized, and extremely solid panes of trash that result from such a primitive, unidirectional trash compactor pose serious hazards for Empire starships in the vicinity? 5. And what of the creature that lives in the trash compactor? Presumably, the creature survives because the moving walls do not extend all the way to the floor of the room, where the liquid is. After all, if the walls reached the floor, the creature would be killed each time trash is compacted. The design employed on the Death Star must allow the organic trash to filter down to the bottom, where the parasitic worm-creature devours it. But what happens when heavier pieces of non-organic trash fall down there? Would such trash not get wedged under the doors, causing them to malfunction? Do stormtroopers have to confront the creature each time they retrieve pieces of un-compacted trash? 6. Why not have separate systems for organic and inorganic waste, thus allowing full compaction of the inorganics and a closed sanitary system for the organics? 7. Why does the Empire care, anyway, about reducing its organic garbage output? Are we to believe that the architects of the Death Star, a group of individuals bent on controlling the entire known universe, are also concerned about environmental issues? Would organic garbage rot in space? So what? Furthermore, why has the Empire gone to the trouble of acquiring a frightening parasitic worm-creature and having it eat all organic trash, especially given the aforementioned flaws in the design of the compactor and overall maintenance hassles? 8. Personally, were it up to me, I would have designed special garbage ships instead of employing a crude, cumbersome, and inefficient (to say nothing of unsanitary) compactor-worm combo to deal with the trash. 9. If the Empire insists on ejecting trash into space, why do they bother compacting it? Space is infinite, is it not? In such an environment, it hardly matters what size the trash is. In fact, a persuasive argument can be made that it’s actually better for the trash to take up more space, so that it appears on radar systems as something for Empire ships to avoid. Compacted trash creates smaller chunks of harder trash that would undoubtedly cause serious damage to Empire starships. And needless to say, damage to starships would, in turn, create yet more hassles and headaches for the Empire. Please understand, gentle reader, I am all for creating hassles and headaches for the Empire. I just doubt that the Empire would have created so many for itself.
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Dec 23, 2015 20:09
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How come they made that cool super shiny chromed out stormtrooper lady in the new movie but like her character is completely pointless and only has like 3 lines in the whole movie they just put her in so they can sell toys didnt they 
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Dec 23, 2015 20:12
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did not read but imagine kylo ren force pushing a dildo in han solo's butt in and out forever.
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Dec 23, 2015 20:16
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Nooner posted:they just put her in so they can sell toys didnt they disney
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Dec 23, 2015 20:19
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Nooner posted:How come they made that cool super shiny chromed out stormtrooper lady in the new movie but like her character is completely pointless and only has like 3 lines in the whole movie Social justice loving everything up again 
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Dec 23, 2015 20:20
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because Lucas is a loving HACKNooner posted:How come they made that cool super shiny chromed out stormtrooper lady in the new movie but like her character is completely pointless and only has like 3 lines in the whole movie she looked really cool and this is my biggest disappointment of the movie
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Dec 23, 2015 20:22
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They might've outsourced specs for the Death Star to an A&E firm, and the Empire chose the lowest bid. My organization built a $60 million new building and there's one loving bathroom per floor, and the design makes zero sense. It is a bureaucracy so even it if were ruthlessly efficient it's still an incompetent bureaucracy, as illustrated by the vulnerability the Rebels exploited.
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Dec 23, 2015 20:23
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who cares? besides the OP serious question...
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Dec 23, 2015 20:26
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Nooner posted:How come they made that cool super shiny chromed out stormtrooper lady in the new movie but like her character is completely pointless and only has like 3 lines in the whole movie its a joke on the audience disney - "lol you idiot suckers probably bought dolls of this lame character"
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Dec 23, 2015 20:26
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Nooner posted:How come they made that cool super shiny chromed out stormtrooper lady in the new movie but like her character is completely pointless and only has like 3 lines in the whole movie On that same note, what kind of idiot would lower the shields even faced with death. Lowering the shield was going to be a death sentence anyway, and after doing it, she killed her entire organization. Star Wars really is dumb if you start to put actual thought into things. So, just don't think about it.
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Dec 23, 2015 20:26
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How did that alien monster get in there anyway? Did they put it there?
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Dec 23, 2015 20:38
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Ejecting trash wouldn't even work unless you shot it out at escape velocity since the Death Star would probably be massive enough to simply pull dumped garbage back onto itself with gravity.
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Dec 23, 2015 20:42
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Shut up nerd.
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Dec 23, 2015 20:43
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veedubfreak posted:On that same note, what kind of idiot would lower the shields even faced with death. Lowering the shield was going to be a death sentence anyway, and after doing it, she killed her entire organization. lol yeah i was thinking that too its like "uhh if you do that youre still gonna die and also even if somehow you dont the new emperor probably gonna send a couple of hard, pipe-hitting hitting niggas to get medieval on your rear end"
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Dec 23, 2015 20:46
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how does the death star propel itself
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Dec 23, 2015 20:54
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BigwigML posted:how does the death star propel itself propane
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Dec 23, 2015 20:56
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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:I maintain that the trash compactor onboard the Death Star in Star Wars is implausible, unworkable, and moreover, inefficient. 1. Maybe there's lower air pressure in the tank so air flows one way. The vents were designed for multiple uses since they weren't sure what final amount of waste, oxygen requirements, etc, would end up being. So they created a flexible system. 2. If one wall breaks, they can still compact by moving the other wall all the way over. Redudancy. 3. You're just assuming metal is a common thing. Maybe it's rare and they usually recycle it. Maybe it was designed to crunch organic waste, but lazy stormtrooper rednecks just throw any old junk down there. 4. I'm pretty sure the trash compactor didn't finish its cycle, so how do you know there isn't a third wall that comes down? Maybe it doesn't get ejected, maybe the panels are then transported for further processing elsewhere in the death star. 5. Been a while, but I"m pretty sure the creature disappears before the walls start moving. So there is probably an exit for it. You let the creature much on organic matter for a while to help with recycling or processing, then it leaves the chamber, then the walls move. No effect on moving wall performance. 6. Do you actually make sure to sort your recylcables? If you were some dumb clone do you think you'd have a better chance of sorting successfully? This goes back to my comment above. Maybe it was designed with separate systems, and then everyone got lazy. 7. The less you waste, the more self sufficient your battlestation is, and the less you rely on a stream of supply transports that can be interrupted by enemies. This one should be obvious. 9. Now you're just contradicting yourself. Before, compacted trash was a threat to ships, now it's not. But we've seen ships take hits from all sorts of objects, so they are not so fragile that trash is going to kill it. Also your entire basis about the empire certainly ejecting trash is without evidence. Ships have to treat trash differently than a battle station which doesn't have to move about. It's also freaking huge, so has the space for more waste processing facilities. So uh, what do you guys all do on Christmas vacation?
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Dec 23, 2015 20:57
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this a shameful thread 
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Dec 23, 2015 20:59
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didnt read any of the OP since its a starwars post gas this piece of poo poo
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Dec 23, 2015 21:00
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Agreed op, Star Wars is a lovely movie series.
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Dec 23, 2015 21:02
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Powercrazy posted:Agreed op, Star Wars is a lovely movie series. I saw the new one last night and it was actually pretty enjoyable. My GF even liked it and it was the first star war movie she has seen
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Dec 23, 2015 21:04
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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:I maintain that the trash compactor onboard the Death Star in Star Wars is implausible, unworkable, and moreover, inefficient. My immersion!
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Dec 23, 2015 21:28
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Erm.... http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/on-the-implausibility-of-the-death-stars-trash-compactor
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Dec 23, 2015 21:29
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Magnanimous Lurch posted:Erm.... http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/on-the-implausibility-of-the-death-stars-trash-compactor Slick Goku Baby not so Slick it seems.
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Dec 23, 2015 21:32
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Nooner posted:I saw the new one last night and it was actually pretty enjoyable. My GF even liked it and it was the first star war movie she has seen what was his name
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Dec 23, 2015 22:18
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Kase Im Licht posted:1. Maybe there's lower air pressure in the tank so air flows one way. The vents were designed for multiple uses since they weren't sure what final amount of waste, oxygen requirements, etc, would end up being. So they created a flexible system.
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Dec 23, 2015 22:25
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Gilganixon posted:what was his name Kylo Ren 
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Dec 23, 2015 22:29
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I always wondered what the hell the greyish floating blocks were. Aw poo poo I'm done with this piece of poo poo grey block might as well toss it in the garbage. I just don't understand why they have diminishing marginal utility, they seem completely fine. Maybe they just sucked all the flavor off of them or something.
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Dec 23, 2015 22:54
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This is Star Wars, so there was probably a book written about it to retcon in all those explanations
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Dec 23, 2015 23:04
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canyoneer posted:This is Star Wars, so there was probably a book written about it to retcon in all those explanations disney made all the EU stuff not cannon
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Dec 23, 2015 23:06
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Which means Chewie never gets a moon dropped on him 
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Dec 23, 2015 23:07
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veedubfreak posted:Which means Chewie never gets a moon dropped on him hans solo gets killed by kylo ren though
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Dec 23, 2015 23:10
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A confined space with crushing hazards should have a few emergency stops at least, not be a death trap in case the enemy accidentally gets themselves trapped.
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Dec 23, 2015 23:13
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Hell Yeah posted:did not read but imagine kylo ren force pushing a dildo in han solo's butt in and out forever. 
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Dec 23, 2015 23:26
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what about that poor worm eye thing down there. did that die?
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Dec 23, 2015 23:28
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gender illusionist posted:what about that poor worm eye thing down there. did that die? no it left because it realized that the compactor was being activated thats why it let luke go unless you meant "did it die" in an absolute sense because yes most likely when the death star exploded
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Dec 23, 2015 23:37
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A good of 14 years standing, just straight up plagiarizing McSweeney's Internet Tendency. drat shameful.
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Dec 23, 2015 23:59
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what the heck was up with those crazy rear end tentical covered ball guys that hans solo was shipping?? SCARY!!!
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