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when do nvme pcie ssd's come? hard drive bays are lame.
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All im running on my haswell is an ssd, a 970, an audio card and onboard ethernet Probably not pushing pci traffic too hard. Not enough to justify swapping mobo and cpu anyway
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Feb 4, 2016 03:01
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:when do nvme pcie ssd's come? hard drive bays are lame. they're already out intel even sells "inexpensive" models for consumers
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Feb 4, 2016 03:05
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Panty Saluter posted:All im running on my haswell is an ssd, a 970, an audio card and onboard ethernet a 970 alone has no trouble saturating all of your pci-e 3.0 lanes if the ssd or the ethernet want a word in edgewise, they're competing
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Feb 4, 2016 03:09
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:a 970 alone has no trouble saturating all of your pci-e 3.0 lanes even so i've never seen it actually affect the computer's operation v  v
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Feb 4, 2016 03:22
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Panty Saluter posted:even so i've never seen it actually affect the computer's operation v how would you know it would just be slower than a computer you don't have
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Feb 4, 2016 03:28
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:how would you know exactly, but the computer runs very quickly and something tells me extra pcie lanes would be a very tiny difference in practice not enough to justify 3-400 usd in new hardware costs anyway
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Feb 4, 2016 03:30
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bad news panty saluter you must switch to the x99 platform immediately. your lack of lanes makes you a fuckin joker. lmao. pc toucher yea right. think of your lane saturations lol.
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Satellit3 posted:bad news panty saluter you must switch to the x99 platform immediately. your lack of lanes makes you a fuckin joker. lmao. pc toucher yea right. think of your lane saturations lol. gently caress 
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Feb 4, 2016 03:48
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how cheap is a decent 256gb pcie SSD. also, should I know what m.2 actually is other than "some type of drive that usually costs $500+"
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craisins posted:how cheap is a decent 256gb pcie SSD. depends what you mean by "decent." they're all pretty decent in this day and age, but faster things cost more. it's not like the bad old days where some poo poo just failed, or slowed to a crawl after six months, or whatever craisins posted:also, should I know what m.2 actually is other than "some type of drive that usually costs $500+" m.2 is just a form factor. a set of physical specifications. logically/electrically you can run lots of different things over those pins, depending on what your laptop manufacturer had in mind. could be pci-e, could be sata, etc. practically all nvme devices for laptops are in m.2 form factor. that is probably what you meant by "drive that costs $500." nvme is what you turn to when an SSD is too fast to be used effectively on SATA/SAS buses. tl;dr: nearly all nvme is m.2, but lots of m.2 isn't nvme.
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evo 840/850 m2s are slightly more expensive than the sata versions but idk if they're any faster. id only go w/ one over a sata version if you want that form factor
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Shaggar posted:evo 840 m2s are slightly more expensive than the sata versions but idk if they're any faster. id only go w/ one over a sata version if you want that form factor the 840/850 m.2 is surely just sata in an m.2 form factor samsung makes nvme devices but they cost more and are branded differently from 840/850
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Feb 4, 2016 04:56
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notorious bsd i just want to point out also that teh $15 difference is like $300 or not even available to purchase in NZ
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Feb 4, 2016 05:26
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:and a second graphics card is just not an option at all 
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:all that multiplexing matters a lot if you care about i/o or latency. now your network card and your ssd have to fight for bandwidth. and yes, they actually use that bandwidth -- your network card expects to have direct memory access, and all those accesses are now multiplexed with other dma devices. yes i get it consumer pc hardware doesn't have everything that power users need but imagine you're a 1337 pro gamer and have the following pc * i7 on a Z170 motherboard (+20 PCIe lanes at full speed) * 16GB RAM (because it doesn't matter if your RAM is 25% or 12.5% or 6.25% full as long as it's dual channel) * GTX Titan X (-16 PCIe) * Network thing (-1 PCIe) * SSD (-2 PCIe) How many FPS and ms ping and dank fragz do you gain from switching to a xeon with more pcie lanes and ecc ram???? Can you even see them on your lovely monitor or do you need benchmarks to stroke your epeen????
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Shaggar posted:evo 840/850 m2s are slightly more expensive than the sata versions but idk if they're any faster. id only go w/ one over a sata version if you want that form factor the 950 pro is kinda faster (and only $300 at 512GB, the maximum size SSD worth buying unless you have unlimited money) but it's less faster compared to a sata ssd than a sata ssd is faster than a spinning piece of poo poo hdd, a lot of the part where it feels faster in the real world is high iops where you don't have to wait 10ms to read each of ten thousand tiny files anyway, and a decent sata ssd already has high iops
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nice words bozo
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how many fuckin times does a person need to say iops in a day anyway
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iops
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echinopsis posted:nice dsyp
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blowfish posted:the 950 pro is kinda faster (and only $300 at 512GB, the maximum size SSD worth buying unless you have unlimited money) ya I don't need that speed so the only reason I'd go w/ a .m2 drive is to save space w/ a evo 850 on a new build. im real excite to build a new comp when the new NVidia gpus come out
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blowfish posted:yes i get it consumer pc hardware doesn't have everything that power users need your skylake i7 only has 16 pci-e lanes. the extra 4 you are imagining are the weird link to the southbridge. it remains to be seen how badly that configuration will perform but it won't be pretty the outgoing i7 in the same price bracket had 40 PCI-E lanes.
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my computer has some express slots and probably at least a handful of lanes and it has a graphical card, its pretty good at playing the random 4 year old games i buy on sale from steam every now and then
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funny computer. built by hand
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BONGHITZ posted:funny computer. built by hand artisinal computer jokes
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is skylake worse than its predescor
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once I built a computer with two graphics cards. it was poo poo
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yard salad posted:once I built a computer with two graphics cards. it was poo poo
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i kinda want to do this for the office http://www.totalgeekdom.com/?p=3676
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surebet posted:i kinda want to do this for the office  
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giant heatpipe cooling devices are always cool as gently caress, both literally and figuratively
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:your skylake i7 only has 16 pci-e lanes. the extra 4 you are imagining are the weird link to the southbridge. it remains to be seen how badly that configuration will perform but it won't be pretty how many fps and milliseconds of ping and usb3 transfer speeds will i lose from that if it's less than like 5-10%, 1-2ms, and still above like 150mb/s (the max speed of external hdds and affordable thumb drives) then it literally doesn't matter also skylake isn't the successor to haswell-e that will be broadwell-e or skylake-e which continue to have 40 pcie lanes e: really late edit but i only just noticed quote:it remains to be seen how badly that configuration will perform but it won't be pretty  16 pcie lanes directly from the cpu have been standard in non-xeon/e broadwell, and haswell, and ivy bridge, and sandy bridge, and nehalem somehow this has never been a problem for people using computers in the real world suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Feb 6, 2016 |
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surebet posted:i kinda want to do this for the office this looks like a soviet administrative building
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I'm close to dropping a 3tb platter in my case
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blowfish posted:16 pcie lanes directly from the cpu have been standard in non-xeon/e broadwell, and haswell, and ivy bridge, and sandy bridge, and nehalem ok so you're telling me intel has just been shoveling poo poo on consumers for a long time. i guess i'm not surprised. blowfish posted:also skylake isn't the successor to haswell-e that will be broadwell-e or skylake-e which continue to have 40 pcie lanes right, so as an informed buyer, if you give a gently caress about performance, you should avoid skylake either buy a haswell-e/xeon, or wait for the successors
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blowfish posted:this looks like a soviet administrative building soviets only embraced cool architecture for a hot second in the 1930s most of their buildings were awful faux-renaissance poo poo 
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:ok so you're telling me intel has just been shoveling poo poo on consumers for a long time. i guess i'm not surprised. quote:right, so as an informed buyer, if you give a gently caress about performance, you should avoid skylake yes, duh if your use case actually requires maximum computing power, maximum computing accuracy, eats up tons of bandwidth, and you notice it being 2% slower in reality and not just in benchmarks, then obviously budget consumer hardware optimised for displaying shooty mans in video games more quickly and efficiently is not for you if your use case is killing things with shooty mans on monitor 1 while watching porn and/or netflix on monitor 2, then obviously expensive workstation hardware optimised for churning through massive amounts of data accurately is not for you 99% of consumers have the latter use case suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Feb 7, 2016 |
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:soviets only embraced cool architecture for a hot second in the 1930s
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