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GoodbyeTurtles posted:

I am not good at altitude and need to train myself to breathe

Train in a gas mask. It won't help, but it'll make you look like Psycho Mantis.

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Celluloid Sam posted:

i need some advice from the experts, is it okay if i go to the gym two days in a row and should i try and avoid doing the same exercises i di dyesterday?

The "bigger picture" answer to this is that you should pick a reputable gym routine and follow it to the letter until you're experienced enough to answer this sort of question for yourself. A big mistake people make is to go to the gym without a good plan and as a result they are still "exercising" but not making anywhere near as much progress as they could. 45 minutes of effective training takes just as long as 45 minutes of dicking around so IMO make sure you do the former.

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GF forgot to bring a t-shirt for the gym today, so she just worked out in the kinda 1960's looking shirt she wore at work today and it was like lifting weights with a buff Peggy from Mad Men.

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hemale in pain posted:

so jelly of you rock climbing peeps

http://www.indoorclimbing.com/worldgyms.html

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lmbo calrissian posted:

What r ur favorite back muscle exerciseszzz
Beside pullup

Chest-supported rows and cable rows.

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PRESIDENT GOKU posted:

MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE

real talk tho, you should only use machines for sculpting purposes, or if you're injured or older.

to get stronger, you should use free weights (barbells first, then dumbbells if you must) all the time. As much as you can.

You should give this Real Talk to all those powerlifters who are far stronger than you'll ever be and who make liberal use of machines in their strength training.

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While freeweight compound lifts are the backbone of most strength programs and the basic movements offer lots of bang for the buck, there are handy uses for machines in strength training programs. For example, strength coach Dan John has suggested machine rows over freeweight rows in at least one of his books because they are easier to perform correctly than barbell rows. Like all geriatric strength coaches, he grew up with and loves barbell rows, but he recognizes that they aren't the only way to strengthen the back. When I had it available, I would do chest-supported rows instead of barbell rows because it was easier on my lower back, which is usually fried from squats, deadlifts, and Olympic lifts.

alnilam posted:

Obviously an advanced lifter knows enough to work on targeted lifts with machines and keep up their stabilizing muscles too, but a beginner might be like ooh i want big triceps I'll use a triceps machine, without building up the auxiliary muscles they need??

Their arms will fall off.

For purist strength training (i.e. powerlifter sort of stuff), much of what you do will involve barbells and dumbbells. But it's not like a person won't improve their general health using only machines. The programs I recommend and write are all centered around freeweight movements and that is my "generic" suggestion to beginners who want to lift weights but don't really know what they want to accomplish beyond "get stronger and maybe look better?", but I recognize that there are folks out there like my dad. He's been doing machine-dominated workouts for decades, and he's still far stronger than the average person; it's not like his "stabilizers" fall apart when he helps people move.

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alnilam posted:

What does a row machine look like, of the sort you're talking about, shine

There are a bunch of types, but this one is like the one my old gym had. Cable row machines, which I also love, are very common in chain gyms and look like this.

Even though these are IMO easier to do correctly than Pendlay rows and such, that doesn't mean people don't screw them up royally all the time. A guy who once pretended to make a porno with his dogs has a good, if wordy form write-up here.

Everything works, so do whatever works for you. Pendlay rows, DB rows, inverted rows, whatever.

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PRESIDENT GOKU posted:

nobody is talking about power lifters lol

i'm talking about general cool fitness stuff.

For "general cool stuff" there are many things people can do, despite what dogmatic barbell purists like to think.

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let i hug posted:

Ok so in starting strength youre supposed to do squat 3x5/bench 3x5/power clean 5x3 for day A and squat 3x5/press 3x5/deadlift 1x5 for day B but Im only getting through 3 sets of power cleans and then Im totally exhausted... are people actually doing 5 sets with real weight and proper form?? That seems like its way more work than a single set of even the heaviest deadlifts possible.

Like Im kind of wondering if thats the recommendation assuming you dont know how to power clean and are mainly just doing form work and cant move real weight. My high school weights class actually had us do oly lifts and the teacher worked with each of us personally on form so I kind of know what Im doing so maybe Im mis-matched for this? For reference I most recently deadlifted 245 for 5 vs power cleaning 95 for 3 sets of 3 today and just dying.

I'll preface this by saying that if you haven't read the book, then please read the $10 book! 90% of problems any goon has ever had with Starting Strength stem from not reading the book.

Anyway, yes power cleans are part of the program, and that includes people who've never done power cleans, as part of doing Starting Strength correctly is learning how to power clean (and everything else), and the book provides ample instruction for performing the lift. You should also have your form checked by a reputable Olympic lifting coach, or at least by forum dwellers.

Anyway, no lift is innately super tiring, as that is largely a function of how much weight you're using. Like, I imagine you could do the 5 sets easily if you used an empty bar. So if you are gassing out on them halfway through the sets of 95lbs, then 95lbs is too much weight for "form work," and chances are you started too heavy and thus prematurely hit a wall. As is covered in the book, you should start a lift at a light weight and work your way up from there, and the book goes into detail on how to choose that first weight. How much weight did you start with, and what weights have you used for your last three power clean sessions? If you can't provide that info, then you're not writing down your workouts, which is a huge mistake.

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The reason why it's exhausting you is less because it's 5 sets and more because you made 20lbs jumps, so you're doing 5 sets of a weight you can't yet handle. Dial back to 65lbs and go up in 5-10lbs jumps. That will:
1) Give you several "easy" sessions to get used to form before things get physically challenging.
2) Let you build up the work capacity to do those 5 sets of 95lbs by easing your way into them. After sessions of 65, 75, 80, 85, and 90lbs, you'll get to 95lbs and be far better prepared.

Basically, when you first start a technical lift, your first bunch of sessions should be "too light" so that instead of dealing with the physical effort required to move the weight around, you can instead get a feel for form. It's very difficult to learn good form when the weight is hard to move. For the Olympic movements it does make it easier if the bar has a bit of heft to it (as opposed to a broomstick or whatever) but an empty 45lbs bar is plenty. It's easy to just toss the weight up like a stupid rear end in a top hat, but that's a matter of disciplining yourself. There are people out there cleaning hundreds of pounds who are able to do perfect cleans with just the empty bar, even though they could just "jumping reverse curl" it up. The basic steps are the same whether you're cleaning 45lbs or 95lbs. I'd suggest you check out this video. It's basically the same instruction used in Starting Strength without being as wordy. It's for full cleans, but omit the full squat step and it's a power clean. I'll note that 45lbs is cake weight to these guys but they are still able to do proper cleans with it. Practice, practice, practice.

Also, make sure you are resting enough. There's a reason why the book hammers home the "get enough rest between sets" bit so hard. Starting Strength isn't a conditioning program; there's a time and place for that and it's not when you're doing this program.

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alnilam posted:

gym post

http://i.imgur.com/6rXIEeg.gifv

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FluffieDuckie posted:

ok guys. i lifted saturday, so 3 days ago. i'm still marginally sore. am i allowed to lift today?

(pretending to be thoughtful and cautious here)

You should play Rocket League, actually.

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FluffieDuckie posted:

is this like during the lifting or instead of?

bc i could go with either

During, just sneak in a set during score replays and hope you don't spawn up front for the next kickoff.

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DDD I am on PC :(. But if you follow the games thread, people often start private goon games that can joined by both platforms. If someone posts something like "goon/goon is up" then that's the name/password.

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lmbo calrissian posted:

why dont you guys post progress pics D: i'm thirsty

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lmbo calrissian posted:

I'm too poor to bulk
id have to have 2 servings of powder a day
thats $50 a month :smith:

You don't need to use any sort of powder to bulk.

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hemale in pain posted:

you probably shouldnt bulk unless you're a bodybuilder anyway. you'll just get fat.

Most people shouldn't "bulk" in the sense of gaining like 10-20lbs/month or whatever roided up people (or teenage boys) can get away with, but if you look in the mirror and think "I want to be bigger" then there's nothing wrong with putting on weight at a modest pace and getting more meat on your bones. Any appreciable amount of weight gain will result in both fat and muscle gain, but if you're shooting for like 2-4lbs gained per month then a large enough part of that will be muscle mass that you will look "bigger" and not just "fatter," and fat can be burned off at a later point to make the shiny new muscles pop out more.

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Drunk Driver Dad posted:

for the walking thing - does the fact that i'm almost constantly walking around for 10 hours a day every 11/14 days not count?

No it doesn't not count.

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lmbo calrissian posted:

how do i get the heartbreakingly hot trainer guys to notice me without working hard?

Hire them :D

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shabbat goy posted:

Flashed a V2 on Friday and then proceeded to watch a 10-yr-old crush a V5 on the same wall wearing street shoes like it was nothing :smith:

I wish I started climbing when I weighed 70lbs :(

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lmbo calrissian posted:

I have about 0 motivation at gym. Ok not 0, but little enough to consider quitting. I'm a QUITTER!! I have no FOCUS!! NO DRIVE!!

I wish I was just an overweight girl so I can just do cardio!! :cool:

Join a rock climbing gym.

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Hnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggg

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lmbo calrissian posted:

i might join gold's gym lmao

I miss my Gold's. Four squat racks, tons of plates, and every machine I could ask for. That place was dope.

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Uxzuigal posted:

Eating has become a genuine chore for me...

Buy some double fiber bread, peanut butter and jelly (preferably one of those "less sugary" ones but w/e). Every morning, make two or three PB&Js. Have one between meals with a glass of milk. Otherwise, eat good and healthy stuff.

This is how coach Dan John puts mass on skinny teenagers who have trouble eating enough. Those sammiches can easily run 500+ calories each if you put a nice scoop of PB on them. Along with a glass of whole milk, you're looking at a ~750 snack.

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And if this doesn't work for you for reasons not involving food allergies, then that means you don't like PB&J sandwiches and who the hell doesn't love them some PB&J????????

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a cloth map posted:

Has anyone ever tried stand up paddle boarding? I'm really interested in trying it but know nothing about it.

It's hella boring, except for when you fall in, at which point you can start swimming and have fun.

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I remember doing Rodney Yee videos in high school PE. It was the first time I'd done yoga and it kicked the poo poo out of me. Fun stuff.

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Red Suit posted:

What healthy snacks do you guys eat? I need things to eat at work.

Stop snacking between meals and in time you'll stop craving snacks.

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Matoi Ryuko posted:

I don't change anything at all in the winter. Every day 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups, 100 squats and 8.3 miles running. EVERY DAY.

Matoi

You are so



FULL OF CRAP

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I have a date tonight with a woman with a 300lbs deadlift PR :swoon:

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hemale in pain posted:

I've been doing a bunch of bouldering at the rock climbing center this month. Everyone should rock climb!!! it's so much fun even if you suck at it.

Agreed! Climbing is hella dope.

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Piso Mojado posted:

On a serious note, do you all climb indoor or outdoor?

Indoors 99% of the time, due to the logistics of it. Going to the gym and hopping on a wall is much easier to plan into my week than driving way out to the canyon and setting a bunch of poo poo up.

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lmbo calrissian posted:

Hey Shine, since you're always hitting on me, you'll love seeing me worked out from swimming and in my pool suit. I'll be sure to take pics

I'm gonna cough on you and get you sick, sorry.

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lmbo calrissian posted:

i'm too beginner for gold's gym

Fwiw Gold's Gym is fine for beginners as is any gym, really. You could waltz into a small powerlifting gym as a total beginner and chances are that 1: nobody would care, and 2: you'd have access to exponentially better trainers than at a mainstream gym like LA Fit, YMCA or Gold's.

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