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big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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I like the casting of the Labour right as Jacobites, the comparison works on a number of levels.

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big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Maybe Cameron will follow through on his idea of 10,000 troops on the streets of Britain and we can all finish our bingo cards.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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The Lloyds No. 1 Bar Putsch.

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OwlFancier posted:

I can't imagine a beer hall.

Huh, looking it up it looks like a kind of greasy spoon for beer.

I kinda want some in the UK.
That really does not describe a German, or more specifically a Bavarian, beer hall. They're brewery run pubs, typically serving a couple different beers from that brewery - Helles, Dunkel, Weissbier, maybe a seasonal special - and often food, varying from just snacks like Breze or Salzradi to proper meals (normally full of stodge and drenched in rich sauce). You get table service and seating is normally benches rather than individual chairs, sometimes in big long rows that encourage interacting with strangers (scary), sometimes smaller tables. There's generally live music at least in the evenings, with dancing and singalongs. Regulars are a big thing too and much more formalised than here, with drinking clubs that meet on specific days and will have their own reserved seating, sometimes even their own reserved glasses, maybe with a club motto and funny hats and stuff.

A lot of that also describes Bavarian pubs more generally, so I'd struggle to pin down the exact difference except that beer halls are focused more specifically on drinking and communal socialising; you'd be less likely to go there just for a quiet half litre or a meal with kids. Pubs will serve a larger variety of food and drink too - wine, spirits, beer from more than one brewery. There are actually a fair few Bavarian-style beer halls in the UK now but I've not been to any so I don't know how similar they are to the German ones.

big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Jan 2, 2016

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Why would you get married in Gretna Green if one of you weren't under 18? That's kinda weird.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Lord of the Llamas posted:

Although I hear pissflaps is tipped for shadow home sec.

Actually that's a fun game. Lets make a UKMT shadow cabinet. Nominations for leader?

Horselord as Foreign Secretary, that pyramids guy as Minister for Universities and Science.

Also whatever happened to Fluo?

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Lord of the Llamas posted:

Hey guys do you remember when this happened http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-a6707721.html

hahahahahahahahahahah.

:rip:

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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blowfish posted:

i, for one, welcome our cyberpunk future where all humans are sterilised
Extremely same.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Has Corbyn, or in fact any Labour MP who's not a Blairite, gone on record saying that he's actually planning a reshuffle?

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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I'm going to vote to leave the EU so that the rest of Europe doesn't have to put up with the UK's poo poo any more.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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big scary monsters posted:

I'm going to vote to leave the EU so that the rest of Europe doesn't have to put up with the UK's poo poo any more.

I was making a joke in line with the longstanding UKMT consensus that everything here is poo poo and awful always, although it's nice that it's led to some interesting conversation.

People in the UK do have a weird sense of exceptionalism where it feels it isn't really part of Europe, which many on the continent find a little exasperating, but it's an important part of the EU and I doubt that many would really want it to leave. On the whole people in Europe don't know or care any more about our domestic politics than we do about theirs. I also probably won't be voting in the referendum because I won't be living in the UK when it happens.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Oberleutnant posted:

It's a neverending carnival of grotesquery and :magical: moments.

I already read the UKMT, thanks.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Ddraig posted:

I don't subscribe to Malthus' views because I think they're evil but I do think that having kids is generally a bad thing, especially (or even exclusively) in developed countries, given that there seems to be absolutely no other concerted effort at all to combat climate change and in general given how lovely things are going to be in a couple of years time, it seems like a net-evil to willingly subject people to that.

I guess having children is a huge, huge contributing factor to climate change in a number of ways thanks to the hosed up way the western world works, so I do feel bad contributing to that.

This isn't really a fault with people having children, of course, which I think is a fundamental inalienable right but it is a huge problem that society is set up in such a way that makes it a sub-optimal thing to do, especially where other people are concerned.

Choosing to have a child in this country is supremely selfish and egotistical. I know that it's not quite as simple as going to the child pound and picking one out, but if you want a kid then it seems to me that in the UK adopting is really the only morally defensible choice.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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LemonDrizzle posted:

Oh well, made me laugh.
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e: They are pretty good though.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Same sort of thing it says about them that they were overwhelmingly crushed in the leadership election by the most unelectable man in Britain.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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quote:

The Met said there was no evidence that there “had been any inappropriate destruction of documents”
lol that would rather be the point of inappropriate destruction of documents, wouldn't it?

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Prince John posted:

The constant suggestion of Benn as the next leader of the opposition is kind of odd. From what I recall he's never been a political superstar. And gently caress, if I have to read another article about his "speech of a lifetime", I think I'll punch the screen.
Speech of a lifetime rather suggests that all his subsequent speeches will be worse too, so he's probably past his prime as leader.

Also thanks for the excerpts ronya, you generally post interesting stuff itt.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Trin Tragula posted:

Important Jeremy Corbyn news: my dad bumped into him the other day on the way out of the football and said "don't let the bastards in the PLP grind you down".
Yet another Corbynista bully saying hurtful and untrue things about the poor, beleaguered PLP.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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feedmegin posted:

they do not ask 'are you a rapist' so much as 'were you in the Nazi Party' or 'are you a Communist', which is, uh, not the same thing. (Also it's about 20 questions off the top of my head, not 'thousands').

How did noted communist The Saurus even get past such stringent screening?

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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I have devised a strategy for the UK whereby we institute a one in, one out policy of replacing Tory voters with incoming refugees. This exchange is unlikely to increase the number of regressive fuckwits and rapists, but will lead to a considerably more pleasant and equal society.

e: the great thing about this plan is that it's fully sustainable. Some portion of the refugees will inevitably be or become Tories, while the exiled Tories will start humanitarian crises wherever they end up to supply Britain with more refugees. Seize the property of the outgoing exiles as state assets and you've got a complete long term economic plan.

big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Jan 11, 2016

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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The Saurus posted:

Reminder that IDS thinks the only reason foodbanks exist and have been increasing massively in number is because the British people are greedy scroungers who can't help but grab something for nothing even though they can easily afford filet mignon and waitrose ciabatta for dinner.


No, I mean I'm getting back all the income tax I paid (which is indeed an interest-free loan to the governement) and then I'm getting $1500 in free money on top of that, due to various refundable tax credits.

Filing joint-married when your spouse is a student is pretty nice.

Given your own circumstances I do find your views on immigrants a little baffling. From what you've told us, you are effectively an economic refugee to the United States. You adhere to a minority religious view, apparently with a fairly uncompromising attitude to the Christian views of the majority in the country you now live. You are making enthusiastic use of the resources the State provides to prevent you from falling into poverty. I have no special problems with any of this, and it seems that neither do you.

The refugees to Europe are not some nebulous swarm of rapine "other". They are people in almost exactly the same situation you are in, with the exception that what they are fleeing in their home country is not just economic difficulty (although that too), but violence and war; and further that they don't reasonably have the option of going anywhere else. Your hard line suggestions include that they should be turned away based on their sex and religion, put into camps (you say hostels but I doubt this is feasible) for integration and reeducation, and prevented from working for a long period of time, even though many of them are themselves well qualified professionals who were in better times comfortably middle class.

If the United States followed these policies, it is likely that you yourself would have been separated from your wife and not allowed entry based on the fact that you are male and the religious views you hold are repugnant to a majority of natives there. If you were allowed in, you yourself would be assigned communal housing and forced to do patronising busy work and "integration" classes. You yourself would be prevented from finding work, left in poverty and left to live humiliatingly on the ephemeral goodwill of your host nation. Given that, and given that you presumably would find these circumstances unreasonable and unjust, how can you put them forward for others? Why should refugees to Europe not enjoy the same opportunities that you, a refugee to the United States, enjoy yourself?

big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Jan 11, 2016

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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The Saurus posted:

That's a bit different isn't it? You seem to be suggesting a scenario in which my wife and I are both refugees entering the United States, rather than her being a citizen of the nation and me the spouse of a citzen.

I also don't think I ever suggested splitting up couples or families except in cases (like in the article I posted) where the husband is abusing his wife or child, in which case they should be separated. Regardless of whether the woman wants to stay with the man who keeps beating her, like one woman at a center in Germany did.
Well it's not an exactly analogous situation. I know that even for refugees whose spouse has somehow already made it to Europe (it's not uncommon for people to send their wives and/or kids ahead) it is often not easy for them to be reunited. I don't know how things look when the spouse is a citizen. But you yourself have found that it's impossible for your wife to join you in the UK, and had to go through a long and I imagine painful process to join her in the US. And you probably knew that she was alive, had regular contact, knew where she lived, and had your paperwork in order.

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I spent 2 years apart from my wife as we went through the entire visa process. I had two interviews, filled out dozens of forms, was required to provide a police certificate, birth certificate, marriage certificate, photographs, passport, an affidavit of support swearing that I'll claim no welfare benefits, answer a questionnaire inquiring about every aspect of my past including political activities, underwent an expensive and invasive medical inspection and now that I'm here I can be deported at the whims of the government without reason or trial.
Given this I'd have thought you'd be especially able to understand that what you are proposing would be a deeply unpleasant experience for refugees. It's at least as intrusive and really feels rather more punitive than what you went through, especially with the preliminary camps in Turkey or wherever.

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There's kind of a difference between marrying a citizen of another country, and then undergoing that process to move there and live with your spouse than just turning up in a big conga line without a passport and saying that you're Syrian and can you live in Europe now please. As mentioned, I believe refugees undergo a similar process to get to the United States and I would certainly welcome anyone who gets through the immgiration process with open arms for how difficult it is. Even a fraction of those checks would probably be enough. But no checks at all?
The other difference here is that there are rather a lot of Syrian refugees, and it's entirely likely that many of them have no documentation, but they are in desperate need of help right now. A long, thorough background check is something the US can afford to do, both because there are fewer people trying to migrate there at once and because most of those migrants didn't previously live somewhere where there are bombs falling. You'd be denied residence in the US for a minor drug conviction, but I really struggle to think exactly what moral grounds there would be to turn someone away and send them back to a warzone.

My main point though in drawing these parallels between your situation and theirs wasn't to quibble about the exact differences, but to try and get you to understand that what you are suggesting would even at best not just filter out the rapists who started off this whole train of conversation (and really I don't see how it would even do that), but have really horrible consequences for the vast majority of people who, just like you, are simply trying to live their lives peacefully. If it's hard to move countries as someone with a home and the ability to feed themselves and the credentials and migration apparatus of a functioning first world country behind them, how difficult must it be for someone with no possessions, no documents and a home government that is trying to kill them? And you want to make it even more difficult and unpleasant, and also do it in particular on religious grounds? The things you've been saying about Islam are not at all far removed from what many Americans think of atheists.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Cast_No_Shadow posted:

Hi please go make the argue with thesarus thread and stop making GBS threads all over this one.

Thanks in advance
Yeah I don't really have anything else to add, but I kinda wanted to actually address some of his points rather than just making fun of his personal habits and wife's job. I know it's pretty dumb and I should know better, but occasionally I think that maybe I can change someone's mind on these, the something awful dot com comedy forums.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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thespaceinvader posted:

On another note:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYuDMDdfGjA

Sadly, this was misspoken.

rest in pigs

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Oberleutnant now would be a great time for part 2 of that South America CIA post, please save us.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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TheHoodedClaw posted:

Jez_bollah Corblimey_Hista

Mods. Mods, please...

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Even apart from the confusing typo those $/£ prices don't seem to match up at all, which makes it rather misleading. I don't think the dollar has been that close in value to the pound at any time since 1986.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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What is everyone's favourite anime?

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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The Saurus posted:

I like Death Note and Samurai Champloo

what's yours?

I'm afraid I don't watch anime.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Oberleutnant posted:

Seeing fun stuff at work today:

I think we have improved (marginally) as a society.

We might have improved overall but I think the standard of newspaper copy has sadly declined.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Strom Cuzewon posted:

Had a viewing yesterday that wanted to charge £800 quid in referencing fees for a 4 bed house. As far as I can tell this isn't even that far off average. Bloody scalpers .

What annoys me the most about referencing fees (apart from the fact they exist at all - I think they're illegal in Scotland now, aren't they?) is that they generally scale with rent. As though it somehow costs more to check references for someone paying higher rent. Plus for my most recent place they charged me £400 fees and then the referencing company called me up asking me to contact my previous landlords myself and have them email the firm. If I have to collect the references myself, what the gently caress am I even paying for?

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Gonzo McFee posted:

Can't wait to unveil my fighting robot, a Drildo on wheels.

Coming after Prince John's post I initially thought you were going to unleash it in the House of Commons, and now I'm a little disappointed.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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TinTower posted:

And I don't think the Tories want to be painted as destroying democracy (alongside their cuts to short money, Labour funding, rigging the boundary changes) if they use either option they can use.

I think my honourable friend will find that it was actually :supaburn: THE PREVIOUS LABOUR GOVERNMENT :supaburn: who destroyed democracy.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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feedmegin posted:

I'd be a lot more interested if the robots were fully autonomous, not just gussied up remote control cars. :ffg:

I keep thinking of setting up a couple of UAVs with gimballed lasers that try and shoot each other down by targetting photosensitive sites that progressively reduce power to the rotors. Identical hardware but competing teams would program the drones' behaviour themselves. Unfortunately you wouldn't really be able to see much as real lasers aren't nearly as dramatic as in the movies. Also I won't be working somewhere with a UAV arena for much longer so it will probably remain a pipe dream.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Pork Pie Hat posted:

You'll remember that the last time UKMT had cause to think of Noel Edmonds he was claiming some old bollocks about 'electro-smog' being the single greatest threat to humanity.

Today, though, he seems to be having other concerns:



Being the helpful soul I am, I have already thought of one solution to Mr Edmonds' problem. He could, quite simply, gently caress off and live somewhere else. Everybody wins!

lol he's using the "just asking questions" defence. Good stuff.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Quote-Unquote posted:

Did anyone post this yet?

http://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/lets-get-jez-his-dream-bike

Lets get Corbyn his dream bike for his birthday :)
I was just about to post it! The original Telegraph article is some real dreck though.

Great journalism posted:

It's unclear whether his own bicycle cost £475 - but the socialist MP did reveal that his bike is 'like' the one he recommended, and is also a red Raleigh, so it is likely it cost a similar amount.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Blacknose posted:

475 quid is pretty reasonable for a functional bike that you use all the time.

I thought I'd easily be able to look up various politician's bikes and do a comparison of their favourite two wheelers, but this doesn't appear to be information that anyone has compiled so far. Most pictures of politicians on bikes concentrate on the unimportant details like their face and don't give a good view of the bike's branding, and even the news stories about David Cameron having his bike stolen (twice) don't mention the model, just that one of them was a Scott bike. Why is nobody asking these important questions? I want to know which chubby forty-somethings are riding £8k XC bikes that have never been off the streets of London and which of them are pulling sick flatland tricks on their fixies.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Spangly A posted:

I mean you're making a fairly good argument for the eradication of the legal concept of marriage otherwise

I've long thought this is a good idea. Let people do it as a non-binding religious thing if they like, but I don't see any reason the state needs to uphold it. It would probably require rather a lot of changes to existing legislation that at first glance doesn't appear to really have much connection to marriage, but I'm sure a timeline could be figured out.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Cerv posted:

I don't think you've thought very hard if you can't think of any reasons. The world wide recognition of marrital relationships for migration purposes is the first that springs to mind.

feedmegin posted:

Yeah, this is true. I moved to the US on a fiancee visa a decade and a bit ago. They are very, very insistent you actually be legally married for adjusting to permanent legal resident status, but not so worried about which country you did it in (whereas the UK has another route for 'you've lived together for years but don't have the bit of paper from the State).

On the other hand, there's nothing stopping you going to some random other country that doesn't require you to be a resident to get legally married, I guess.
I suppose, comment on legislative timeline aside, I meant it more as a matter of general principle than as a unilateral step the UK ought to take. The likelihood of it occurring is basically none, so I am not going to concern myself too much.

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big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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The IndyRef thread was such a shitshow that I'm somewhat loathe to contribute to a similar discussion here, but I think that some people might have favoured an independent Scotland for reasons other than the price of oil at the time.

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