UKMT January and a bit of February 2016: Marxist Theory and Danczuk Memes

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Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

ronya posted:

Labour's policy tanks still operate in a broadly neoliberal policy space - the antineoliberalism is limited to rhetoric. Even the flagship rail renationalization is, under the surface, the rather less exciting idea of running the lines as individual for-profit government-owned companies. The rhetoric invokes the vision of plowing the nebulous "profits" into reduced fares, into rail investment, into higher wages, and into the NHS all at the same time, but functionally the idea is GLCs, not Clause IV.

That's not actually going to change; the magic of Corbyn is in tricking the forgetful British left into believing that New New Labour is Old Labour, whether or not the likes of John goddamn McDonnell pens lengthy promises to reduce the deficit (noting that if you accept that basic constraint, your remaining policy options are very limited). Corbyn operates in a world of the OBR and the MPC, not the NCB and NUM; the proposals he can draw upon are limited - stuff like the People's QE that he picked up from niche advisors quickly became liabilities. Conversely, all the Labour right has to do is hold the line amongst the more cognizant members (i.e., those who accept the arguments that tuition fees are more egalitarian, that collective-welfare-through-collective-agreements really deserve to be shown the door,, that Britain in NI and the Falklands has settled into status quos which it is now committed to maintaining, etc.).

I don't disagree that New Labour has run out of ideas - I've said so myself. But the present judo makes a twisted sort of sense, if you accept that the none of the actors are really committed to innovating new ideas inasmuch as innovating new political covers for the same ideas.

Right, if you have time id like you to translate what the gently caress you just said there into stupid for me please. It reads like a load of bollocks with an un-necessary amount of words. Whats your point.

e: are you a newspaper opinoun column writer? ive re-read it 4 times now, the best i can get is you think that somehow re-natiozing the railways is somehow bullshit. no idea whats going on in paragraph 2, ditto 3

Seaside Loafer fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Jan 1, 2016

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Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Pissflaps posted:

Try reading it again? It's a well written and clear post.

Mate ive got nothing, I am quite stupid though.

# ¿ Jan 1, 2016 21:01

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Alright:

quote:

People's QE that he picked up from niche advisors quickly became liabilities

Why has that become a liability, its what anti-austarity is all about (although the name is bloody stupid)

e: and he didnt pick it up from niche advisors he is just a loving socialist who wants to get back away from neo-librablism like everyone has agreed is sensible

Seaside Loafer fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Jan 1, 2016

# ¿ Jan 1, 2016 21:06

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Only posting this because of how bad that picture of gove is http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35115160

(Oh and there seem to be an increasing number of people being locked up indefinitely without a trial which is probably even worse than that picture)

# ¿ Jan 2, 2016 00:07

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

As an expert there are drains on the platforms where if you find a quiet spot and lean against the wall you can have a sneaky piss without any problems, good luck goon

# ¿ Jan 7, 2016 20:42

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

That must be against the terms of the bbc's charter, dodgy choices of headlines/storys are one thing but deliberately sabotaging the democratic process for ratings/drama is over the line surely?

# ¿ Jan 7, 2016 22:00

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Pissflaps posted:

Nice little vote winner this. Well done Jeremy.

While I agree with you that its politically bad because the xenophobes will react with outrage is it actually a bad idea in of of itself, what do you think?

e: 100 years ago on the 24th of January a poo poo load of British soldiers had been evacuated from Gallipoli a couple of weeks ago and loads of them are chilling in hospitals missing various parts of their body.

Seaside Loafer fucked around with this message at 10:33 on Jan 24, 2016

# ¿ Jan 24, 2016 10:23

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Pissflaps posted:

I think it's a bad idea.

Why is that then.

# ¿ Jan 24, 2016 10:34

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Pissflaps posted:

Because it rides roughshod over the democratically, overwhelmingly expressed wishes of the Falkland Islanders to solve a problem that doesn't exist to nobody's benefit other than the Argentinians.

My thought on it is that any theoretical agreement would have to involve the islanders retaining british/duel citizenship and rights as before and all you've got is some exactly the same situation with some nominal change on who's name is on top of the piece of paper ending the whole thing without any violence and no actual difference to anyone who lives there. So why not. Might actually get a bit of local growth and trade.

# ¿ Jan 24, 2016 10:49

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Oberleutnant posted:

Not really since if you once give Argentina any legal authority over the islands that's a wonderful pretext to gently caress with them in a thousand different ways in order to entice them to leave.

See first sentence.

# ¿ Jan 24, 2016 10:54

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Pissflaps posted:

Because the people who live there don't want it.

If the fantasy agreement where nothing changes is explained to them they might not give a gently caress.

# ¿ Jan 24, 2016 10:56

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Oberleutnant posted:

Argentina wants the islands.

They could give a toss about the islands they want control of the territory for resource extraction, im failing to see why the UK and Argentina cant divvy it up reasonably

# ¿ Jan 24, 2016 11:02

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Oberleutnant posted:

That's an extremely simplistic, incomplete and shortsighted analysis of the role the Falklands play in Argentina's political and public discourse.

Ok. You dont have to, only if you have the time, but educate me as to why. Im willing to accept that I am being both naive and simplistic. I can only say that im well aware that Argentina nationalism plays a big part in this. I think my point is that by thowing them an meaningless bone it gives them what they want without really changing anything and defuses the situation.

e: as in if fantasy agreement happens, the residents become duel Argentina/UK citizens, nothing changes for them, trade agreement, shared use of resources and territory and Argentina gets to say to we won a massive victory to its people while nothing actually changed

Seaside Loafer fucked around with this message at 11:23 on Jan 24, 2016

# ¿ Jan 24, 2016 11:17

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

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Seaside Loafer fucked around with this message at 11:49 on Jan 24, 2016

# ¿ Jan 24, 2016 11:46

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

I tried to get my daughter to call her new cat slartibartfast but she wasnt having it and called it vega. girls eh

# ¿ Jan 24, 2016 15:11

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Wouldnt a card just be easier and better for everyone involved in every way

# ¿ Jan 24, 2016 16:45

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

nopantsjack posted:

I broadly agree with you that the problem isn't that the British public just don't know they're really communists all along or whatever and that Corbs supporters like me have to not be all Sandersnista about things which is pretty much why when Corbs came straight outta the gate with his Anti-Trident business I facepalmed a bit, because while I agree with him it is absolutely not the hill for him to choose to die on, especially not the first hill.

However I think the case to be made for any modern leftist movements is just that what the tories are pushing doesnt work which is its main attraction. Also I actually just don't agree that most Brits would be okay with people dying on the streets, those people exist but regardless of political beliefs most people have some sense of morality or decency, I think even Cameron just thinks those people would have died anyway, maybe not Osborne or that a majority of people are particularly interested in politics or have a working knowledge of what the tories are doing.

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I hate the label left wing, to me its its just common sense. A couple of examples.

There doesn't need to be a profit motive in the essentials of life like utilities and transport. By adding it you actually make them more in-efficient by adding multiple layers layer of unnecessary complexity running opposite to the narrative that somehow the free market streamlines everything.

Building for the future. A government project doesn't have to turn a immediate tangible profit (or turn one at all), its results will be spread through its effects. A billion spent on flood defences might not make any coin but its going to last 50 years and stop things washing away and falling over, the ultimate benefit will outweigh the expense.

Instead all we have is that somehow doing things on the cheap like a cowboy builder bodging up a wall that falls over a year later is somehow better, drives me nuts.

Cant we just tell people that.

Seaside Loafer fucked around with this message at 10:55 on Jan 30, 2016

# ¿ Jan 30, 2016 10:51

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

I never really understood american health insurence, every time an american talks about getting a medical problem on the radio or whatever they say they still end up paying a fortune despite being insured. Is it like going fully comp as opposed to 3rd party fire and theft or something.

# ¿ Feb 1, 2016 20:53

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Malcolm XML posted:

no this happens. various transplant procedures have $500k+ price tags

What happens if your money runs out for whatever reason. Lets say you have some incurable liver situation nastyness where you will definatly die if you dont get a transplant, you go through the system and by a miricle a pefect match fresh from a dead person is found and everything is lined up for the operation tommorow, then a couple of hours before the insurence company sends an email to the hospital saying this guy forget to submit his place of address in 1997 thereby invalidating the claim, do you still get your operation or do you get thrown out onto the street to die? And if you still get your operation do you have to give all of any income you make towards the unpayble 500k for the rest of your life

# ¿ Feb 1, 2016 21:19

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Oberleutnant posted:

I'm neither vegetarian nor a member of the RSPCA you retarded piece of poo poo. You meanwhile, are a slavery-apologist neo-imperialist piece of subhuman garbage.

Go jump in a tank of pig slurry and do the world a favour.

Dude chill. He is right that some people dont understand that certain things, like the common cold, dont need doctors and will very likely go away after 3 days. Id only say that it would be good to spread this knowledge as much as possible and fund the NHS well enough that it can accomodate those people without breaking it.

# ¿ Feb 1, 2016 21:29

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

In a related note im going to be spending tommorow morning in an actual live 999 NHS call reciever place in a systems analyst capacity. I didnt want to go cos I didnt want to bother them and I think I know their system already but my jerkoff toryboy collegue booked it anyway so i might as well now but it will be interesting im sure. If there is anything interesting to post i'll post it tommorow night.

# ¿ Feb 1, 2016 21:39

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Ive had these 3 small strange slightly squdigy lumps on my right leg for 20 years now, unoticable unless you look closely or are in possesion of my body.. i remember being slightly freaked out by them at the time because they seemed to appear almost overnight. still wonder what those loving things are, maybe they are about to hatch, only a powerfull organism would require a 20 year gestation period

# ¿ Feb 1, 2016 22:15

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

baka kaba posted:

Just as another example, people call out ambulances for non-emergency stuff, which is obviously a problem. Should we start charging people for that like the blasted wasteland of healthcare that is the US?

They are logging the 'frequent callers' in the system. The idea so far isnt pernicious, its to find out what their problem is and sort it. There are very few prank callers. Its either poepl who legit have a regular need or nutters. The frequent callers are then offered a different point of contact or service directly.

# ¿ Feb 1, 2016 22:20

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 05:06

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Chocolate Teapot posted:

I was flabbergasted due to my own experiences; I've already had one liver transplant for a rare, auto-immune condition, and I'm awaiting another, albeit having done so for more than two years now due to the survivability of someone in my position. From literature I've been given, it says that the total cost of a transplant (staff, equipment, bed stay, aftercare etc. etc.) is estimated to be on average of �40,000 over here, when accouting for the relative cost reduction of mass treatment for patients, so what I'm saying is that it takes some really hosed up fudging of costs to make it cost x10 as much.

Im going to write 'all my bits to chocolate teapot from sa' on my about to exist donar card/deathnote

# ¿ Feb 2, 2016 01:12

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