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Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Renaissance Robot posted:

So how about that new propaganda movie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AsOdX7NcJs

Saw this trailer at the pictures last night. Still can't decide if it's supposed to make me pro- or anti-west.


PS star wars is surprisingly good

This is what a B-movie looks like in 2016. No more terrible props. Just really really bad CGI for everything including simple things like smoke.

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Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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The West's confusion around Syria is more to do with Russia than it is Isis. Allowing Russia to expand it's sphere without even a token attempt at resistance was too much for at least America to accept. Rest of NATO probably couldn't care less because of a pandemic lack of will to power and money. But we all got dragged along once again. Oh and the Paris attacks which made a country famous for not giving a gently caress suddenly give all the fucks at the worst possible time.

Notice when Russia overtly entered the conflict its first actions were to bomb all the NATO friendly militias. Whoops!

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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TinTower posted:

The whole "fifty year old sexting a teenager" thing is a major red flag.


"Actually, I'm an ephebophile."
:tvtropessay:

Words have meanings. If we ignore these meanings language breaks down. While what he did is unpalatable and unbecoming of an MP and outs him as a terrible person he didn't actually do anything illegal. And paedophilia is illegal. So he isn't a paedophile. Or an ephebophile. He's just a horrible man abusing his position. You can do plenty of horrible things to people legally.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Hitler B. Natural posted:

There aren't many people in this country for whom I feel genuine, unrelieved hatred. One is Kelvin Mackenzie.



Holy loving poo poo. How is this not outright racism. Like not hidden at all.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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dispatch_async posted:

You forgot to include this for some reason:

Britain leaving the EU is now what excites me politically! A massive act of horrible accelerationism that will at least utterly gently caress the status quo. And ruin more lives but hey you gotta break a few eggs to make a really stupid loving meal full of eggshells and hate and piss.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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It's ok. I've come to accept that we're getting a Tory government in 2020. I'm just existing on negative feelings and hoping the chaos is really entertaining.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Pissflaps is a memetic cognito-hazard that can infect and manifest in anyone.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Pissflaps posted:

Agreed. I'm also going to take my ball and go home with it.

When the only real answer appears to be "be more like the other side" then there really is no point. This isn't a sport. There is absolutely no point in two right wing parties.

Either the country is so virulently right wing that nothing can be done (other than move your party to the right, again no point) or the people who aren't Tories simply don't vote for some reason.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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dispatch_async posted:

Yes. Presumably he's signalling that Corbyn should adopt the Danifesto



That was a great farce. I love how they knew they were proving the guy was the complete scum that Thornberry was implying. Ill advised or not. My theory of the British working class situation is that we have reached a unique point where it is entirely lumpenprole.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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I'm glad the free thinkers of the thread have decreed that Labour needs to go UKIP on immigration and Tory on everything else. Then we can get the party Britain needs in 2020.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Not with my diet.

Edit: thread moved fast, so long context

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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The far right of Europe must be so jealous of our choice of 3! Far right parties! Do you hate "those people" A) A bit B) A lot C) ARRRGLLELELEL loving JEWS/MUSLIMS/MUSLIM JEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A party for every outlook.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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nopantsjack posted:

This new reshuffle is stupid and boring, but I don't really know what people expected out of Corbyn.
Lol if you didn't expect him to be endlessly attacked by Labour careerists and then lose in 2020 so they can declare leftism dead again.
His only chance has ever been grassroots support, he has Tom "gently caress Murdoch" Watson as his deputy, to the papers he may as well be running alongside Shaytan the Devil himself, its still theoretically possible he can make general election gains through low level campaigning but its not likely and with the possible exception of Oldham he has shown little sign of doing so (although to be fair Oldham is perhaps the only real test of this so far).

I'll vote for him because his policies are closest to mine and if Labour gets rid of him I'll leave the party and vote for the SNP, no worries for me there. As is, its abundantly clear that crap as Corbyn is as a leader he's still the best person for the job in Labour and while he'll probably lead the party through at least one defeat if he's kept on getting rid of him at this point would totally destroy the party membership even as the press fellates Leader Benn's new centrist policies (for 5 minutes then resumes its hobby of monstering Labour).

At least it might nudge the overton window a little, would be interested to see if the Tories would have kept working tax credit cuts if there had been a different opposition leader, or whether Kendall or Cooper would have been left in a Thick of It style moment where they ended up supporting a Tory policy in the spirit of bipartisanship which the Tories then cancelled for being too obviously poorcrushing.

Do the Labour careerists know that they'll one day die? Do they realise some of them may well be dead before 2025 arrives? The idea of planning to throw an election in 2020, to get power in 2025, here in 2015/2016 seems insane to my naive politically inexperienced mind. It's the actions of immortals with all the time in the world.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Pissflaps posted:

I imagine they'll have plenty of other fuckups to point to after another four years.

And i'm sure the Conservatives will continue to make gaffes as well such as their leader loving a dead pig. Point is no one cares about Conservative gently caress ups while they really care about everything Labour does. You think putting Burnham in charge would change this? The media wants the Tories in power in 2020. This won't change with a Blairite in power. Something you and the idiots in Labour don't seem to get. They don't want someone who acts like a Tory when they can easily get the real thing.

I feel there is some fundamental disagreement of how the flow of Media narrative > Public opinion travels. I'm also assuming you're debating in good faith. I work on the theory that the media shapes the thoughts of the public and if a media is dead set against one party then that party has little chance even if it performs flawlessly. It simply can't get its message out. You and others appear to work on the theory that people influence the way the media reports things so if Labour can convince the public they're a proper party then the media will follow. And I have to strongly disagree. The media has a huge agenda here.

Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Jan 7, 2016

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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I know what you mean but I find once you start wondering if people are arguing in bad faith then its a slippery slope of paranoia. I'd rather argue the toss. Plus I think he believes at least half of what he posts.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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OwlFancier posted:

I might venture the price of a bag of monster munch that someone will post ITT saying how it's corbyn's fault for not playing the media game and if he'd been nicer to them they wouldn't have done it.

Don't you get it? People hate idiot undemocratic Corbyn which is why they want the heroic press to gently caress him right up and save are cuntry.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

so you're saying I should take the word of everything that's written as gospel, right? Got it

Well you imply that you outright disagree with his assessment. If this is not based on what IS written then it's based on what isn't? How does one get so sure about the absence of fact? "I don't believe what is written" should not become it's own proof.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Wait the guy who made sure the nails in Scottish Labour's coffin went as deep as possible is now claiming to know what is good for Labour?

Jim 'I'll do everything opposite of what Scottish voters want' Murphy. That guy?

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

just came across this on twitter



This should be run into the ground and used on all BBC news and dissenting Labour MP tweets.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Pissflaps posted:

Team Corbyn might want to keep it handy as well.

Yeah :(

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Gonzo McFee posted:

loving Hell.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...er-wellies.html


I mean loving hell. Other than "If Socialist how have nice things" crap how are they calling Nicola Sturgeon a socialist?

Do they have a point? Are they saying that Cameron isn't a rich posh prick because he bought some cheap asda wellies? Is that how it works? Your class is based on your last purchase? Are we supposed to be surprised that the leader of the Scottish government can afford to spend £300 on clothes?

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Girls are dumb idiots and fall over a lot.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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that man is from Innsmouth.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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thespaceinvader posted:

To me it seems eminently possible that they would attempt it, but entirely impossible that it would succeed in actually winning an election. The only way they win, especially in marginal constituencies, is by utilising Labour's only really unique resource - people power. Voluntarily cutting themselves off from the half million people who doorstep and put up posters and do phone campaigns and run stalls in town centres &c &c &c would be loving suicidal, and would *entirely* demolish the left in England as a meaningful political entity for basically ever, unless the Labour members countrywide successfully got together and selected new MP candidates - and even then it would be questionable whether they would survive given that brand new candidates running against established opposition in marginals don't generally do so well I don't think.

I'd hope, in that situation, that the SNP might consider fielding candidates south of the border.

How the gently caress can people be this loving stupid seriously :psyboom:

What sickens me is how they throw outright abuse at the people who voted for Corbyn. They are less than people. Their votes should count for nothing. Democracy is bad when the wrong people get their way.

As to the SNP fielding candidates south of the border i'm not convinced ethnic nationalism doesn't play a big enough part to make this impossible. British Isle socialism is only for the chosen of Scotland and Switzerland. English people = Icky pooey.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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The Saurus posted:

What does Culturally Protestant mean?

I thought Northern Europeans were meant to be Culturally Marxist :commissar: (though i don't know what that's supposed to mean either)

Cultural Marxism is a term used by bad people to mean anyone who has feelings for their fellow man and doesn't take every opportunity to destroy everything and climb over the remains of the dead and dying. We've confused ourselves with the centuries of philosophers wanking themselves silly over whether good and evil truly exists. The barbarian, the cutpurse, the robber baron and the SS officer about to execute a kneeling prisoner with a Luger shot to the head all exist today. They just write blogs or if they have money they lobby negative causes and nudge humanity towards destruction and dystopia.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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This is getting weird.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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We have breached the ebola aids line. This is not a drill.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Ebola Aids has reached Terminal Dogma. It's time.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Oberleutnant posted:

By favouring the dusky beauties of outrejordan with our noble saxon blood we can improve their racial stock, thus lifting the musselman out of semi-savagery to the heights of civilisation.

The wisdom of the white man and the low cunning of the savage combined? This is the Enochian bloodline revived.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Tesseraction posted:

I like how the parasite who mooches off his wife is coming in here to talk about how black/Arab people are the WORST you guys.

He's the ideas guy of the relationship.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Not unless Southampton is quarantined.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Pantsuit posted:

I know Cultural Marxism chat was a few pages ago, but has anyone else heard the term 'regressive left'? I was arguing with some people on Facebook last night (bad idea) and basically it seems to mean people who say racism against white people is a non-issue compared to racism against minorities. Seems like understanding power dynamics makes you 'regressive' now? The same people were also bleating on about how 'true liberals' were coming out of the woodwork after Cologne (of course, the fact that they're coming out to oppose rape culture after an incident involving brown skinned men is a big coincidence, I'm sure...)

Left and right seems mixed up at the moment. The Europol thread here in D&D, for example, thinks austerity is a leftist policy. Which I can only assume has meant some of them identify as "right wing" because they don't agree with austerity. Yeah. What the gently caress.

I think the political scale needs a rebrand. Dipshits and non-dipshits. You can be anti-welfare but that means you have to admit to being a dipshit in the dipshit party.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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"I hate Muslims. I'm a proud dipshit and so's my wife."

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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I hate women. I've always hated them since one of them had trouble using a map and thinking three dimensionally causing her to drive, badly, off a cliff into my whole extended family. While weeping over the blooded remains of my kin I was struck by the sudden realisation that no, female comendians are not as funny as male ones and no, I had not read any books by female authors. My eyes were open.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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feedmegin posted:

Saurus called us 'the liberals in the UKMT' in the Euro thread. I rather suspect he meant it more in the Fox News sense, somehow.

The Europol thread is basically stormfront. So that explains everything.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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IS series surely.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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the ISU-152 problem removal vehicle.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Who knew the leftists were the baddies all along?

Hitler. He knew.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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You do know that GBS would love this Muslim hate and would have already crafted several really bad memes? You have to pick the right audience.

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Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Muslim? More like musFUCKOFF! You rapists!

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