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SickZip posted:The government treats rightwing miltias with kid gloves because the escalating violence between the two in the 90s was on the verge of turning into a full-on armed insurrection. Once the Oklahoma Federal Buildings went up the government decided there was a core group willing to go all the way and that discretion was the better part of valor. Wrong decision right there, get the nutjobs to actually come out and put their  gently caress THE FEDS is a hill worth dying on.basically  but unironically e: JFairfax posted:I am not sure but it's interesting to wonder if they would be more or less dead if they were black or ISIS or White I see you put these categories in the correct order already 
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JFairfax posted:I am not sure but it's interesting to wonder if they would be more or less dead if they were black or ISIS or White How interesting is it? I can't manage to evince the least bit of surprise.
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Jan 3, 2016 10:29
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SedanChair posted:How interesting is it? I can't manage to evince the least bit of surprise. you'd be okay
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"It's not that the rule of law doesn't apply to white militias. The FBI is just doing the smart thing and they are going to wait a few months and then quietly arrest these guys!" - D&D justifying doing jack poo poo during the original Cliven Bundy incident. Yeah, that is totally what happened. I'm glad they actually did anything at all about this the first time so it wouldn't escalate!
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Jan 3, 2016 10:55
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I think this is the first time where my gut reaction was seriously just "Give them what they want, death by cop/fed". And I want to feel awful but really do not.
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Jan 3, 2016 11:03
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Jan 3, 2016 11:15
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The feds can't go all Waco on them because it's federal property. Crafty bastards.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:The feds can't go all Waco on them because it's federal property. Crafty bastards. Is Oregon on of those "He was on my property,in my house so I shot him states?" Because if so I that would be amazing.
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Pox posted:I hope they all get killed
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Jan 3, 2016 12:23
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Telsa Cola posted:Is Oregon on of those "He was on my property,in my house so I shot him states?" Because if so I that would be amazing. What states do not allow you to apply lethal force to a home invader?
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Jan 3, 2016 12:26
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Having witnessed and arguably participated in many protests over the past few years, these guys are just doing what Occupy and student demonstrators and BLM have been doing for years. The only difference is they're doing it with guns and picked a literally useless shed in the middle of nowhere rather than a university building that hosts classes or some major automobile thoroughfare. All of this "muh white terrorist" backlash is therefore hilarious and overblown. Ammon and his clowns are nothing more than attention whores and people are literally bitching that they aren't getting enough mainstream coverage.
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Sucrose posted:Obviously I don't support Cliven Bundy and his gang of gun-toting assholes, who are going to get someone killed, but the ranchers in question still ought to be sentenced to the jail time that the judge originally saw fit to give them, not given a 5-year mandatory minimum for breaking a terrorism statute. I just hate mandatory minimums in general. At the same time, from the OregonLive article on the first page: quote:The government acknowledged that the next fire, in 2006, was intended as a defensive move. Steve Hammond set backfires to keep a lightning-caused fire from burning onto the Hammonds' ranch and hitting their winter feed. Wildfire Response is already dangerous enough without some dumb fucker setting another one overnight without telling anyone. The Hammonds easily could have killed a team of firefighters. AND that was at minimum their third offense, after a warning in 1999 and the other charge listed in 2001 (while covering up illegal hunting). Just the same, I do still have some sympathy for them now being linked publicly with these peckerwoods despite declining their "help".
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We could do what we did with Noriega, just use an M.I.A. track like bad girls or something instead of van halen.
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Aspergeoisie posted:Having witnessed and arguably participated in many protests over the past few years, these guys are just doing what Occupy and student demonstrators and BLM have been doing for years. The only difference is they're doing it with guns and picked a literally useless shed in the middle of nowhere rather than a university building that hosts classes or some major automobile thoroughfare. All of this "muh white terrorist" backlash is therefore hilarious and overblown. Ammon and his clowns are nothing more than attention whores and people are literally bitching that they aren't getting enough mainstream coverage. dumb rear end student protestors and blm hashtag activists are annoying shits but they don't go out of their way to provoke an armed standoff
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Aspergeoisie posted:Having witnessed and arguably participated in many protests over the past few years, these guys are just doing what Occupy and student demonstrators and BLM have been doing for years. The only difference is they're doing it with guns and picked a literally useless shed in the middle of nowhere rather than a university building that hosts classes or some major automobile thoroughfare. All of this "muh white terrorist" backlash is therefore hilarious and overblown. Ammon and his clowns are nothing more than attention whores and people are literally bitching that they aren't getting enough mainstream coverage. Aspergeoisie posted:The only difference is they're doing it with guns That's a big difference. I'd say the line between terrorism is somewhere between "blockading the cafeteria with tables" and "threatening to kill anyone trying to arrest you".
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I tend to think the correct response here is a drone strike obliterating the "protestors" and the shed. It nothing else it would demonstrate that guns are a pretty laughable defense against a tyrannical government.
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Solemn Sloth posted:I tend to think the correct response here is a drone strike obliterating the "protestors" and the shed. It nothing else it would demonstrate that guns are a pretty laughable defense against a tyrannical government. But what about the poor shed?
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blowfish posted:dumb rear end student protestors and blm hashtag activists are annoying shits but they don't go out of their way to provoke an armed standoff So the possibility of an armed standoff makes these protestors less acceptable than established protest communities that regularly cause real damage to property? Man, guns must be really scary to some people. Vice Zoomler Aestro posted:That's a big difference. The U.S. Code says terrorism is: “Premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience.” No act of violence has been committed nor is planned to be committed, excepting the aforementioned attention whoring (specifically in the form of apocalyptic standoff fantasies). Point is: "Top Kek Blow The White Terrorists WITH DRONES what would happen to ANYONE ELSE if they BROUGHT GUNS" casts the severity of this situation as far greater than it should ever be.
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Aspergeoisie posted:So the possibility of an armed standoff makes these protestors less acceptable than established protest communities that regularly cause real damage to property? Man, guns must be really scary to some people. yes because worst case student hashtag morons will get into fist fights and maybe set a car on fire before the police gets sent in to go seal clubbing while armed wannabe seperatists can actually kill dozens of people before going down also recall the last time where the armed standoff actually happened and ended with the feds going "nah some grassland isn't worth getting into a shooting match over" and hoping the problem would go away on its own.
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Aspergeoisie posted:Man, guns must be really scary to some people. It's almost they're some sort of weapon that exclusively exist to kill things. Also yes: these deviants are very different from some students sitting in at a campus or BLM protestors marching down the street because of the fact that they have explicitly stated they are willing to kill people who try to remove them and the other fact that they aren't protesting for any specific "rights" but rather are trying steal federal land. Also student protestors and BLM don't have a history of terrorist activity like the militia movement in this country does (a la OKC Bombing).
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blowfish posted:But what about the poor shed? Seize their assets and use it to build a Shed Memorial Shed.
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blowfish posted:But what about the poor shed? Alternatively, they could have an auction for exclusive broadcasting rights to its destruction. This could be a deficit-reducing military operation.
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I hate to spoil the ending but the police will probably just surround the place and starve them out. I know a lot of people on this subforum have turned on a dime into bloodthirsty maniacs, but I would be surprised if it turned into a giant shootout.
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drilldo squirt posted:For me, the joke is a black kid get's shot for playing with a toy gun in a park and these guys are literally raising arms against the government for the second time and not much is going to happen to them probably. And thus, the proportionate response would be to have a squadron of B52s level the area.
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blowfish posted:And thus, the proportionate response would be to have a squadron of B52s level the area. Maybe they could send The B-52s. 
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They initially wanted to avoid a bloodbath in Waco by playing music at them to force them out, and actually did it to Noriega, so maybe that might work. I think Rock Lobster 24/7 might cause more bloodshed, though. I know it would for me.
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Crain posted:
Ehh - if A) they did no major damage to the property they're squatting on, which is still conceivable, and B) they weren't making noises about resisting arrest by way of massive shootout, I'd be more-or-less supportive of their right to protest even though I think their particular grounds are pants-on-head crazy/stupid. B's considerably more important than A. "I think there should be no government above the county level" is constitutionally protected speech. "...And we'll resist any tyrannical federal attempts to take us unto custody with these here firearms" is, uh, pushing it.
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Dr. Tough posted:I hate to spoil the ending but the police will probably just surround the place and starve them out. I know a lot of people on this subforum have turned on a dime into bloodthirsty maniacs, but I would be surprised if it turned into a giant shootout. Yeah, this. The 90's taught the feds that going in hard ends up with congressional hearings and a pile of body bags, but surrounding them and waiting them out usually results in the militia collapsing into infighting or surrender. I'd be happiest if we managed to do this the right way so that nobody dies.
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blowfish posted:And thus, the proportionate response would be to have a squadron of B52s level the area. Nah, there should be an announcement that they should lay down arms while a Davy Crocket tactical nuke is already in flight.
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Ddraig posted:They initially wanted to avoid a bloodbath in Waco by playing music at them to force them out, and actually did it to Noriega, so maybe that might work. These fellas have their own Private Idaho.
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Dr. Tough posted:I hate to spoil the ending but the police will probably just surround the place and starve them out. I know a lot of people on this subforum have turned on a dime into bloodthirsty maniacs, but I would be surprised if it turned into a giant shootout. Actually, they won't do anything at all, just like last time.
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happyhippy posted:Declare the building to be a new prison. Send hardened criminals in. A little Savage Reservation
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Lotka Volterra posted:I think this is the first time where my gut reaction was seriously just "Give them what they want, death by cop/fed". And I want to feel awful but really do not. It would seem like the logical approach would be long range artillery bombardment with tear gas canisters.
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It's incredibly stupid that a white armed militia can take over a federal building, while being vocal about defending their position with violence, and be treated with kids gloves, but if they were black or muslim the hellfire that would rain down...
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Aspergeoisie posted:Having witnessed and arguably participated in many protests over the past few years, these guys are just doing what Occupy and student demonstrators and BLM have been doing for years. The only difference is they're doing it with guns and picked a literally useless shed in the middle of nowhere rather than a university building that hosts classes or some major automobile thoroughfare. All of this "muh white terrorist" backlash is therefore hilarious and overblown. Ammon and his clowns are nothing more than attention whores and people are literally bitching that they aren't getting enough mainstream coverage. The guns are kind of a big deal. Gandhi plus shooting people is not still passive resistance.
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