Who What Now posted:

Maybe you should not post people's personal Facebook pages in this thread?

zeal posted:

I'm starting to come around to the False Flag hypothesis. There's no way these guys gear up for LARP on this scale and fail to bring beef jerky

Who What Now posted:

Yes, that is indeed what you are saying. I understand perfectly well that the outcome of the first "protest" informed their decision to start the second and not that they just happened to be there by coincidence.

Seat Safety Switch posted:

It's not even that he thinks he has an outstanding warrant but that he thinks "the FBI" have issued one for his arrest (and four others for ???) because he's trespassing on federal land.

theflyingorc posted:

SEXUAL ASSAULT

A Saucy Bratwurst posted:

Hmmm yes take quotes without any context

The person I was replying to was literally saying these guys should be shot because he didnt think they were standing for a brighter future. If thats ok then the fbi massacring every future left wing protest is also ok cause right wing people will disagree.


My book on the table 2-3m from any food or cages sure probably smelt more like food than the cages.

Prester Jane posted:

About a week ago a video was posted of "Mama Bear" showing off their food supplies. They had sometbing like 500 poumfs of potatoes and tons of mear and canned goods. They probably have enough food that all the fresh stuff will rot long before it can be eaten. I don't think they can never starved out.

As a Millennial I posted:

https://www.facebook.com/roxanna.hall.92/posts/1005214406252464

kartikeya posted:

He didn't claim an angel called Moroni told him to move west. The Mormon exodus to Utah was the result of a whooole lot of ugly turmoil in which they were driven out of several states. Originally Joseph Smith wanted to 'build Zion' in Missouri. The angel Moroni was pretty exclusively involved in the stories of the translation of the Book of Mormon and events surrounding the golden plates Smith claimed to have been led to (by said angel).

I'm not looking to poo poo up this thread, but since it's been stated this way several times, here's a few major incidents that lead to leaving for the territory that became Utah:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haun's_Mill_massacre


(For the record, some of my ancestors were at Haun's Mill)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Executive_Order_44


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Mormon_War


These conflicts weren't black and white (a lot of detail on reasons why this happened and what Mormons did to provoke it are at that last link), they were messy and people on both sides did some pretty ugly things, but the tendency to just kind've ignore this entire series of events happened and sum it up as 'well they just wanted polygamy and the government wouldn't let them!' (an earlier post in this thread) or 'Joseph Smith just said an angel told him to' or (I saw this all the time in school history books) 'Mormons faced persecution so they went to Utah also Brigham Young the end' is a personal irritant of mine.

Viewing it more harshly is fine. It sounds kooky as hell, though I'd argue most religions do if you haven't personally grown up knowing about them. I'm going to roll my eyes a bit at 'oh noes cult' poo poo because that word has almost lost all meaning with how often it's been used, but people are entitled to their opinions, and I welcome them. I draw the line at 'every single one of the roughly fourteen million members of this religion are either perpetrators (of what, he hasn't been clear) or poor hapless victims that gosh darn it clearly can't make their own decisions about what flavor of omnipotent beings they want to believe in', because, as previously mentioned, that's condescending as gently caress on a personal level. One is certainly allowed to be condescending as gently caress on Something Awful dot Com, but he needs to own that poo poo, not try to couch it in some brave truth telling nonsense.

I admit, it's also a little tiring to see every thread regarding the Malheur occupation (not just here, comments on every single article, pretty much) attribute all of their weird nuttery to Mormonism because three or four dudes (that we know of, there could of course have been others) that were prominent leaders are Mormon (you know, in spite of the LDS church saying 'we don't hold with this fuckery'). But I get that people are curious and unfamiliar and generally don't know, which is why I've been trying to clarify where/when I can. It's also pretty funny that the Federal judge handling their case right now was brought up as being Mormon, and then that topic was immediately dropped once it became clear he, shockingly, does not support Sovereign Citizens taking over Federal lands and waving guns even if they share a religion.

Archonex posted:

Pretty sure Kartikeya's entire post was about him explaining why the actual religion had nothing to do with these fringe nuts. They've made it pretty clear that they'd make a copy of the constitution or anything else and use it like their own personal bible if they thought it'd help justify their insanity. The religion or document has little to do with what they're doing except as a flimsy prop for general anti-government and "gently caress the man" style beliefs.

But people want to be edgy shitheads and tie this poo poo into actual Mormonism and use it as an excuse for posts like the ones above. Which is pretty dumb given the behavior of these people and people like them over the last few years.

Archonex posted:

That may be, but looking back the LDS connection has been brought up more than a few times. It's a pretty dumb connection to make since these people are pretty obviously about as religious as a sack of turds.

It's the equivalent of the "No, no, you guys. The FBI is TOTALLY incompetent and won't ever do anything about these people." and the "No, see the FBI doing something to get them to leave doesn't count because they didn't follow my (insert 1,000 word plan here)." dickfight arguments a bunch of pages back.

Like, we get it. They say they're Mormon. Who gives a gently caress? It's pretty much irrelevant since the church said they were a bunch of wackjobs. At that point you're just making low blows.

kartikeya posted:

This isn't true, but the reality isn't all that much better. Black people (and other ethnicities) have always been allowed in the LDS church, have been able to be baptized, receive blessings, etc. However, it wasn't until 1978 that black men were allowed to hold the priesthood, which is a big deal (Mormons don't have separate clergy like the Catholic Church, every man of a certain age is allowed to hold the priesthood provided he's living according to church standards). Weirdly enough, when the church was first founded and for some time after, a number of black men did hold the priesthood, but some time after Joseph Smith's death Brigham Young announced it wasn't going to be allowed any more. As far as I know Mormon churches were never segregated (beyond regional racial makeup, as local congregations are organized into 'Wards' or 'Branches' and which one you go to depends on where you live), although it wouldn't surprise me if this happened in certain areas of the South.

SocketWrench posted:

Posters make a bunch of posts about Mormons that are factually wrong or just blatant hyperbole. This is ok
Poster responds by correcting the misinformation and clearing things up. "No one cares about mormonism, you rabid nut"

when did this become GBS?


I imagine the last few minutes of life he had in him he thought about two things. One the pain, and two, how he hosed up his quick draw

Discendo Vox posted:

Toasticle posted:

Can I make fun of TFR manchildren who are so insecure they ooze into any thread with the word gun and law in it?

Seriously it's loving pathetic having people who haven't posted in a thread once suddenly appear when the words gun and law happen together in a post. Is odd not seeing LeJackel yet. Is he ok?

Jarmak posted:

We had like a full page of people making GBS threads on gun owners and talking about gun control before anyone remotely pro gun even posted.

This whole "why can't we sit around and talk about how awful guns and gun owners are without some gun owner making GBS threads up the thread by disagreeing with us" is demonstrating a bewildering lack of self awareness.

It's you, you guys started the gunchat, it's not the fault of the person who had the nerve to disagree with your gunchat for making GBS threads up the thread, it's you for starting the loving gunchat. loving shut up about guns.

Seriously can we stop talking about loving guns.

wontondestruction posted:

Love how you D&D forum masters cycle the gunchat between "wish there were background checks" and "right wing nutjobs don't want any background checks" and "gun owners are so likely
to ND their minigun into the faces of their loved-ones, that's why I won't own any death metal." This poo poo writes itself. Thanks for the entertainment.

Jarmak posted:

"Why can't I poo poo on people who hold different views then me without them making GBS threads up the thread by disagreeing with me."


Look even though I'm generally pro-gun I don't really think NathanScottPhillips is putting forward a compelling case. But this whole "it's only making GBS threads up the thread with gun chat if it's gun chat I disagree with" is loving dumb.