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Jan 3, 2016 18:57
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The poor feds are idiots no matter what they do. 
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Jan 5, 2016 12:55
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That poor biologist got a degree at a university and is using it on government pay to try and clean up an invasive carp infestation so these rear end in a top hat ranchers and their children can enjoy fishing for decades to come in lakes and streams in the rear end end of nowhere. But she's the real villian here!
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Jan 8, 2016 12:08
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Yeah, after its all done I'd like to read more about the fishery plans to remove the carp and make fertilizer. Carp lady needs to get a chance to use this to shed some of the national attention on invasive water species.
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Jan 8, 2016 14:19
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http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/malheur_field_station_manager.html#comments Here's an interesting piece about Duncan Evered, who you might remember as the guy talking during the awesome video with the woman dressed up as a bird. Of all the people in this mess, he's probably been the most affected. His home, where he's lived for years is the field station. These people are thumbing through his personal stuff.
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Jan 24, 2016 02:25
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I'm less concerned with terrorism and more concerned with congress cutting the FBI budget for going after the right like they did to the IRS
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Jan 24, 2016 06:28
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OAquinas posted:Trying to find a website that will deliver peppermint schnapps. Don't waste schnapps on these guys. If you're looking to mail schnapps then send 'em my way. I'll go occupy a refuge or something.
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Jan 25, 2016 18:23
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So now anon has jumped into the fray, because this wasn't already a big enough circus. Jesus, I half expect to start seeing dancing lions and elephants next.
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Jan 27, 2016 02:29
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Oh, for sure, but they're pretty clownish themselves. Also the whole "We're totally gonna get you. Get you on the internet!" is kinda milquetoast compared to everything else.
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Jan 27, 2016 02:36
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I'm just hoping the cameras were a honeypot with just enough value to make tampering with them a felony.
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Jan 27, 2016 02:47
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I guess that a lot of this is being sourced from pete's livestream on youtube? anyone got a link to it?
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Jan 27, 2016 02:55
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I guess he was on his way to the meeting in the next county with the sov-cit sherif.
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Jan 27, 2016 03:03
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Given our luck it's all going to just be based on what pete said and it'll be another example of an overzealous news report ruining like arson in the scrub land. We'll see when the sheriff has his press relief.
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Jan 27, 2016 03:07
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https://twitter.com/LesZaitz/status/692170478425935876 Wasn't he the guy involved with the last stand off? The one behind setting up snipers and poo poo?
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Jan 27, 2016 03:26
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chitoryu12 posted:I'm wondering how a raid is going to go with the terrain on the land. It's really open and the militia occupied a fire watch tower with snipers. I'm guessing a conflict will begin with either the watch tower shooting at approaching cops unless the police shoot first. One can only hope, maybe they'll learn to not take over towers because they look cool.
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Jan 27, 2016 03:35
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVWykMKiOjU Pete's stream. Pete was apparently arrested by the sheriffs when he was at the court house, so tune in if you want to listen to a bunch of his idiot militant buddies realize that they can, in fact, not take on the Feds.
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Jan 27, 2016 03:44
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Yeah, I really hope the tower doesn't become an object lesson, but the whole sniper in a elevated tower doesn't really work out to well. Unless you're like, shooting up a university.
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Jan 27, 2016 03:48
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Do the Oregon state troopers upload their body cams to youtube regularly like some city pd's do?
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Jan 27, 2016 04:52
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So now that we can't complain about the FBI doing anything I wanna complain about the FBI doing something when I should be sleeping.
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Jan 27, 2016 08:48
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https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/692263863396470785 At this rate they'll be gone before the Feds have to lift a finger.
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Jan 27, 2016 09:37
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MariusLecter posted:FBI 11th dimensional chess champions 2016 There were a surprising number of vehicles in that convoy, hats off to the FBI for managing to stage all of that while still looking that they were just sitting on their thumbs at the airport.
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Jan 27, 2016 17:34
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Jacobin posted:As this thread goes off into general SovCit territory I will say that the emergence of this movement and spread of the ideas is a acute symptom of deep systematic problems in our country. People in serious debt, people with nothing but financially ruinous engagements with any legal authority- their desperate minds become jelly and open to magical thinking that will somehow cure their problems whether mental/financial/legal. Yeah, sure it is all society's fault that millionaires like the bundies are sov cits.
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Jan 28, 2016 17:30
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As a Millennial I posted:What makes you think they're millionaires? Can't find a regular source for his worth, but it's said often enough. The guy has a ton of cattle, a large ranch, and raised 14 kids. He's not poor at any rate. His land alone is probably worth plenty.
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Jan 28, 2016 17:44
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He owns 160 acres. That's the ranch his parents purchased in the 1940's. He owns cattle and horses. A lot. He has a home. Maybe he doesn't have a lot of cash, but he has a lot of assets and is dedinetly not poor. If he fell into debt he could easily sell his cows and land and move to a nice apartment in the city. No one is putting a squeeze on these people financially but their own selves. They're scum who decry welfare queens and expect the US tax payer to subsidize their own failing businesses. gently caress them.
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Jan 28, 2016 17:57
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As a Millennial I posted:Seems callous to me to discount someone's financial problems just because they could escape them by abandoning their entire lifestyle. But we are talking about the guy who said blacks would be better off as slaves than living on welfare, so. Everyone has to face economic realities. The Government isn't there to protect a bunch of white middle class ranchers way of life when we've got people in poor urban neighborhoods getting constantly screwed over by payday loans and other crap. No one's way of life is sacred. What's important is that people have opportunities. These racist assholes still have plenty of other opportunities that don't involve being sov cits, taking up arms against the government, or opining constantly about how black people were better off as cotton pickers. So yes, I will discount their loving worthless struggles all I want.
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Jan 28, 2016 18:18
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KittyEmpress posted:Every single rancher I've ever heard of has been a poo poo person, who either uses child labor, refuses to pay taxes, illegally uses other people's land, or a mix of all of these, always indignantly. As a guy who grew up on a ranch, who thinks that people like the bundy clan are scum, gently caress you and the horse you rode in on, buddy. I'm going to eat twice as many steaks. Not to spite you. Just that cows are delicious.
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Jan 28, 2016 18:34
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As a Millennial I posted:And you all wonder why these guys feel oppressed and bitter enough to try and revolt. Also stop making excuses for them, wa waa the veterinarians isn't a reason to have a loving armed standoff.
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Jan 28, 2016 18:40
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STAC Goat posted:He "ran" (drove), nearly killed a cop, had his hands in his pockets when they shot him, and by his own defenders' testimony was yelling "shoot me." The SovCits would call it murder no matter what the video showed but that seems like a good enough case for any good faith concerns anyone else had. Ahem. HE was traveling, NOT driving.
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Jan 29, 2016 06:19
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Dude straight up tried to kill a cop with his truck on video and people are blaming the cops.
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Jan 29, 2016 18:09
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https://twitter.com/BobHeye/status/694236951759552512 So, this is interesting. There's also a claim that one of the bundies is getting an LDS judge in the conversation of the tweet. Is this just more nonsense, or does anyone have a good source?
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Feb 2, 2016 01:45
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stubblyhead posted:Well there's this from the Oregonian. It doesn't say anything about the judge being a Mormon, just that he's the appellate judge on duty to hear reviews like this for the month. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman Well I'll be damned.
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Feb 2, 2016 02:09
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kartikeya posted:People always get a bit weird when it comes to Mormons, I don't know. I think it's a general misperception of just how many Mormons there are, coupled with 'that strange religion/cult' views, so for some reason there's a big tendency to believe that all Mormons are a monolith and clearly share the same views on, err. Well, anything but religion (and even then, there's room for a lot of interpretation on certain things). The identical men wearing suits and ties that people see, or the history of getting into it with the federal government in history because we wouldn't let them have their harems and such probably does a lot to color people's conceptions. It doesn't help that they concentrate in insular communities and keep in one state either.
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Feb 2, 2016 02:51
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kartikeya posted:Exceeept...they're not identical? They're not even wearing the same suits and ties, and suits and ties isn't exactly uncommon when you go to church. Or work. The history of getting into it with the Federal government regarding polygamy happened quite some time after a whole lot of violence at the local and state level (and yes, it wasn't all one sided), and the LDS church hasn't practiced polygamy in a very long time (and if you do practice polygamy? You get ex-communicated). Insularity is a thing that happens with all sorts of different populations, and is neither unique nor particularly rampant among LDS members (fundamentalist breakoffs are another matter, and usually because they DO practice polygamy), although certainly it exists. And err. Mormons live throughout the world, which would include every single state in the US. There are a ton of Mormons in Utah for really really obvious reasons (which frankly, I think causes its own issues of the conflating politics and religion variety), but Mormons are hardly sparse in other parts of the country. The last time I saw a horde of mormons on bikes at school they weren't going to church. So yeah... misconceptions.
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Feb 2, 2016 03:45
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kartikeya posted:lol, so, what, you're saying Mormons just go around all day in suits and ties? The only ones who do that are the missionaries (the guys anyway). A horde of mormons on bicycles is exactly what it was like last time I saw a mormon mission. I mean, it's not trying to get Anne Frank baptized, but it's on a similar level of crazy behavior. Mormons don't really have anyone to blame for what people think of them but their own selves.
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Feb 2, 2016 04:06
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highme posted:Mondays is another "classic" code word for PC racists too. Garfield takes on a new meaning
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Feb 4, 2016 04:38
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Out of many, one is a hilarious thing for a bunch of probable sucessionists to write on a memorial
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Feb 7, 2016 05:32
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To be fair, it is nice to have a rabid Mormon to summon when news slows down. Its more interesting then the thread going back to the FBI too slow argument we've had since this started.
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Feb 8, 2016 00:58
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You can, in fact, donate to the government, but you don't get to decide where it goes.
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Feb 9, 2016 08:58
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Space Skeleton posted:Supposedly a lot of loose guns were left behind at the refuge for some reason. They can have an auction! They probably will. With any luck the guns will show up at the next crazy militant take over, much like the auctioned bitcoins that still keep giving.
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Feb 9, 2016 13:03
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Skinty McEdger posted:Does the refuge have showers? Yeah, they mentioned it once back before it was camp bluetarp
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Feb 9, 2016 14:23
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