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Meanwhile the "tool of the opressor" is being used to pioneer a project that will hopefully help both the government and the local economy: http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2015/12/post_46.html quote:The carp have created an ecosystem so out of balance it no longer supports the plant and insect life birds rely upon for food and habitat. Populations of migrating ducks, geese and shorebirds that once passed through the refuge in numbers as great as half-a-million each day have dwindled to a tenth that size. let's hope these guys get bored and clear out before they interfere with anything.
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Sucrose posted:To be fair, charging people with a terrorism offense with a mandatory 5-year sentence for creating illegal firebreaks sounds ridiculous. I've heard of a person being charged with "terrorism" for verbally threatening the staff at a hospital, while under an involuntary psychiatric hold. It's true that these new "terrorism" laws are absolutely out of control, especially when they involve mandatory minimums. A law where someone is automatically sentenced to 5 years in prison for arson, without any judicial discretion available, is an absolutely terrible law. We should be doing away with mandatory minimums, not passing more laws carrying them. Especially not in the name of "preventing terrorism." It's too bad that two ranchers have to pay with years of their lives so the right can learn the lesson that "terrorism" is a stupid thing to arbitrarily punish someone for when we already have real names for crimes in our centuries old legal system.
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I think they're going to let them tromp around and play white man's revolution until someone actually needs to use the building. I'd hate to be the guy who has to clean the toilets afterwards, though.
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Jan 3, 2016 18:47
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Xandu posted:Doesn't seem like anyone's actually asked them to leave yet, and they are letting people come onto the property freely Best case scenario for all involved is all the media attention gets lots of gawkers and journalists of different stripes and for the saner of these folks meeting a bunch of different kinds of people will slowly give them the revelation over the course of years that "oh god this is silly, America isn't a secret black Jew Muslim conspiracy after all" and they will also have satisfied their need for attention for a good long while and busy with court appearances.
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Jan 3, 2016 23:41
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Best best case scenario they gain class consciousness and this touches off a global bloodless revolution.
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Jan 3, 2016 23:46
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Can you imagine how disappointed these guys must feel right now? No blockades, no cops, not even a closed road. They must have been so sure when they marched in there that this would be their final glorious stand.wiffle ball bat posted:While you sit fatly in a computer chair praying for their death these men and women are squatting rough in the Oregon winter facing down FBI snipers. Regardless of how you feel about their political convictions you cannot deny their "huevos." Haha man you're alright.
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Jan 3, 2016 23:53
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Maybe they can help out by fishing some of the invasive shitcarp nobody wants to eat.
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Jan 4, 2016 04:32
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Is Facebook some sort of bastion of personal privacy now?
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Jan 4, 2016 18:29
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Chomp8645 posted:I like the way the Idiots on Social Media thread handles it... Well yeah I'm sure some goonlord has posted his IDIOT GRANDMA's personal information because she reposted an article about violent video games or whatever but that clearly appears to be a public post on either theirs or the terrorist's Facebook page. That's the whole good thing about Facebook, people publicly shame themselves.
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These are the actions of men who drink light beer instead of water. Which, ironically probably puts them closer to the mentality of our founding fathers. Our drunk, slaveholding founding fathers.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:
The cold is shocking him out of his manic episode quicker than expected.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Also, what's with these shitkickers and treating their pocket constitutions like enchanted talismans? help, that man's face is trying to escape his face
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Jan 4, 2016 20:34
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Abner Cadaver II posted:I think it's from some childhood injury or the like. I almost felt bad until I realized that he wants to destroy me and my way of life, then I just felt bad it probably helped make him this way.
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Jan 4, 2016 20:42
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Lotka Volterra posted:The best bit being that none of them had probably ever been to the NWR before, and they have less connection to the land than the average city resident in Oregon. Connection to the land? Hell if they had even gone camping a little bit anywhere, they'd know to at least be prepared for cold nights. Just because you(r illegal immigrant ranch hands) work the land, doesn't mean you have any respect or love for it.
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ansel autisms posted:They can get started by eating all of the taxidermied migratory birds stored at the headquarters: With all those eggs they're layin', we won't need to eat em.
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Vienna Circlejerk posted:I think local law enforcement is very capable of sitting back and watching a bunch of dumbasses become a national laughingstock. They know exactly who these people are and where they live what they've spent money on, all of their personal texts phone calls and emails, who their known associates are, and could have any of them picked up at any time after this blows over. Why would they even need to even physically be present.
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Xandu posted:But will they? They didn't do it after the last Bundy stand-off. It seems more like a decision to just hope it blows over than to arrest them peacefully later. Probably not but they don't have to, these men are scum, but probably only a threat to their family and friends, a matter for local law enforcement. Now if you want to get into how race plays into deciding who is "harmless" and who isn't from that perspective we can have a conversation.
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Xandu posted:I'll ignore the race thing, because you're right, that's a different discussion in many ways, but are these people "only a threat to their family and friends"? I don't think the Bundys themselves are stupid enough to want to commit violence at this point, they seem to be benefitting from their niche celebrity, but they and the broader militia/sovereign citizen absolutely attract some crazy, violent people, who have absolutely no problems committing violence and murder. I honestly don't believe that those people can be stopped by arresting these sad sack losers. The crazy violent people they attract will glom onto anything they can to fuel their raging mental illnesses, we won't be able to stop the violence until we find some way of keeping guns out of these people's hands, for good.
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Lycus posted:How are the snacks going to get to them? Is UPS going to deliver to the revolution? As a True Patriot, you are already on your way because you heard the clarion call of the revolution, he's just letting you know what's on the shopping list before you get there.
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Lotka Volterra posted:This describes pretty much every non-major wildlife refuge, national park, national grassland, national forest, state park, etc. in the country. Should we cede all of this land to insane militiamen to be destroyed because "welp, it's in the middle of nowhere!" Thankfully, there aren't enough of them to do so by any stretch of the imagination, these guys are the fringe of the fringe.
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Venom Snake posted:remind me again why this loving country holds the marines up as some paragons of value when they are just the army but useless. my grandpa calls them stowaways
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ansel autisms posted:Not that internet access would matter to Patriots, anyways. Well, if they want it they will have to pay the bill won't they.
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Jan 4, 2016 23:10
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Volkerball posted:I wonder how a republican president would react to a left wing armed occupation like this. This used to happen from time to time in the 60s, they would shoot everyone involved and burn the place down. I'm glad that it seems like cooler heads are prevailing in this case, it's just a loving shame that you only get sane treatment if your skin is white.
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Bubbacub posted:Even though they're total shitheads, I at least understand why people want to drive their ATVs around or whatever. But horse people are total loving nuts. Not really much different from this thread.
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Joementum posted:I hope nobody sends them foil-lined juice boxes They can't be trusted to handle those sharp straws by themselves.
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Jan 5, 2016 02:04
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Besides the silly impotent liberal rage, I don't see anybody actually trying to rally goon justice in here.
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Tokamak posted:They are already asking to be resupplied, and didn't fully realise that there is a reason why the BLM site is closed. You would think that as military LARPers they would understand the basic concept of supply lines.
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Liberal_L33t posted:If we followed the train of logic that legitimate law enforcement actions are responsible for any and all acts of violent retaliation, does that mean that in response to the North Hollywood shootout, metropolitan police departments should have implemented a policy of always letting armed bank robbers walk away with their loot? Hey, they could always settle for trying to dig up and repossess the cash later when the criminals weren't looking, right? That would be less likely to draw a violent response! Yes?
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Man Whore posted:My favorite part about these threads is the casual classism that gets thrown around at rural folk. Don't these idiots know that these people are going to need to develop class consciousness before we're ever going to get this class war off the ground.
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Xandu posted:http://www.reuters.com/article/us-oregon-militia-allies-idUSKBN0UJ04120160105 Like that guy said earlier, this is basically a major bummer to those groups, because it confirms their greatest insecurity that maybe they have devoted their lives to the false belief in a government boogyman, and maybe they are the delusional ones, not the American public. Kind of an ideological buyer's remorse.
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How are they going to cook any of that holdout food if they don't even know how to build a fire.
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Mr Interweb posted:Here's a round up of conservative media reactiions. Not surprising. This year the republican's deal with the devil they made ages ago is finally bearing fruit. The establishment has realized that they let the crazies they brought in and encouraged with insinuations is finally asking for those promises to be repaid and they're terrified.
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Vienna Circlejerk posted:The Guardian is the same paper that said these guys had about two weeks worth of food if you count the bag of pretzels and the granola bar, so I'm a little confused by this latest report. They have tv water and Internet they read the same story and are now putting on a show of how prepared they are
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ShadowCatboy posted:This is when the below-freezing temperatures outside becomes their ally. The local insects and wildlife, not so much.
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Iowa Snow King posted:Why is the Sheriff the level of authority they're willing to accept? For the same reason they wear cowboy hats in freezing temperatures. In their rich fantasy lives, they're cowboys, just like John Wayne.
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Tough talk from a man who played make believe for a living.
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Guys I don't think the people who are are the ones advocating for deescalation of police violence in all cases are the ones being logically and ethically inconsistent here.
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Who What Now posted:And yeah, the place where they're at is completely unimportant, except that some native Americans claim it has important documents held for them. But why should you give a poo poo about them? Because it doesn't make sense to put dozens of lives in danger over some papers?
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SedanChair posted:To keep things fresh in a bigot's head. Has the revolution started? No? Then yes, I still value human life.
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