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Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



I think the freeze'm out method is 100% correct and I hope they stick with it, I'm upset that this courtesy isn't extended to all people but that doesn't change this, and I really hope this begins an uptick of the right wing yahoos being monitored and taken down because I work on a college campus and it ain't jihadist who shoot those up

Even if you give into their demands they'll run off and shoot people (Vegas shootings) so what's the point in taking anything they say seriously? Nothing in except boxes of swamp water from the internet, nothing out until they kneel and kiss a portrait of Obama.

Probably some nutjob will get fed up and start shooting other militiamen who start talking about giving themselves up and then poo poo will get way out of hand

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Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Under the Banner of Heaven is some troubling poo poo. I recommend it and Into Thin Air highly

Radish posted:

I admit I didn't think "snack memes" being used against right wing extremists would be how 2016 started.

You better believe I've got the Snacksden Flag saved to my desktop now

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



As a Millennial I posted:

The joke gets old really fast but here's an example, from the comments on a post five minutes ago asking for snacks:

They've been spammed so heavily that they totally wiped the "visitor posts" section.

If my facebook alt hadn't already been banned from their page, I'd share this coverage with them. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-dumb-and-the-restless-20160107

You lost me at "gets old really fast"

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Kazak_Hstan posted:

I hope one of these idiots walks around with a patch sewn over his rear end so the spirits or whatever can't get in through his butthole, like one of the lafferty brothers did.

hey bundy maybe educate us on your whole thing here

"WHY DON'T YOU GO GET INDOCTRINATED IN A SCHOOL IF YOU WANT TO LEARN SO BAD, LIBTARD"

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Wouldn't that land just immediately be given to private ranchers and stripped bare? How is that "returning it to the public"?

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



I, for one, can't wait for one of these nutjobs to get all frothed up around all these radicalizing influences and go on a killing spree again. Sadly, like the mentally ill couple who murdered a bunch of people and draped Gadsden flags over the bodies and left behind a rambling sovcit letter, we'll never know why they did it

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



He says it's my land now but he won't let me on it to shuffle around with an assault rifle and mean mug them like IS MY GOD-GIVEN RIGHT AS AN AMERICAN

Goddamn Marxist fascists

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



SedanChair posted:

Was that the one where they literally draped a cop's body in a Gadsen flag and the press was like "who can know their motivations?"

Also they left behind a Tea Party manifesto

If you need me, I'll be in the angry dome

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Onion Knight posted:

It's because, contrary to what half the posters in this thread believes, he doesn't actually want to ~die a martyr~

I mean seriously what the gently caress. If you really think these walmart cowboys ACTUALLY want to be shot at you're a goddamn idiot. Ammon Bundy lives/lived in an ultraconservative antigovernment hugbox for his entire life. He and his band of yokels thought they were going to capture the hearts and minds of the nation, they'd get a national platform, and they'd invoke their Sovereign Citizen magical spells/they'd get support from prominent GOP leaders. They thought there'd be so much public support that the government would have no choice but to pardon Cliven and relinquish land and let all of the brave patriots go home unscathed and uncharged.

This is why Ammon constantly whines that no one is listening or giving them a platform (or else they'd have everyone on their side!)
This is why Ammon doesn't other militias showing up (because they might actually get him shot at)
This is why they're ignoring the sheriff (the community can't possibly actually want them to leave)

Haha yeah but a bunch of people with him there DO, and when they're told they're going to surrender like cowards or whatever they're going to flip out

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Vahakyla posted:

Except when black SUV's with dudes in helmets holding on to the sides start rolling towards the compound, very few people will actually retain the will to die.

They do like talking about it, though.

Just takes one being serious about it to start some crazy poo poo happening, though, and I bet at least 1 is totally sincere.

The ranchers may be comfy and wealthy welfare queens that are just trying to throw political weight around, but the people they're now in bed with sure aren't and likely don't see much to hang around for.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Internet Webguy posted:

What happens when the Feds trump their Super Sheriff by appointing an Uber Sheriff Times Infinity Plus One No Takebacks? What then?

I hope this ends with Sheriff (brings a mathematician to explain sets and infinity theory dryly for 20 minutes)

Or like the Sharif episode of Squidbillies

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



So who is the good guy with the gun in this scenario

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



chitoryu12 posted:

Sovereign citizens are descendent of Posse Comitatus, an extreme right-wing tax protester movement of the 70s and 80s. They had a really bizarre reading of the laws that somehow managed to interpret that sheriffs are the head of state and that government has no authority above the county level (I think something to do with the legal concept of posse comitatus, which is what lets the sheriff legally recruit citizens to help him enforce the law at his own discretion; I guess they interpreted that power and discretion as giving the sheriff total authority). A lot of modern sovereign citizens include this in their ridiculousness, believing that an elected sheriff is the highest authority and refusing to recognize any greater level of government (such as the state and federal government) as legitimate.

So if all power above the county level is disbanded, what happens to this enormous juggernaut of a military? Are they assuming they'll just quietly disband and not, for example and I'm totally just thinking out loud because something like this has never happened before, steamroll every paintball playdate militia guarding anything even remotely valuable and set up a military junta by day 2?

edit - maybe they read Starship Troopers and took the hand waving of "look, this military needs to be benevolent if I'm going to be able to tell this story I don't care if it doesn't make sense" to heart

Epic High Five fucked around with this message at 12:04 on Jan 15, 2016

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Crain posted:

We all know what their top 3 problems facing the country are:

1) Black guy in power
2) Black people everywhere
3) Black people not slaves.

Time + microphone + sovcit = "they were better off with Jim Crow/as slaves"

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Please confirm to me that that isn't a photoshop. It certainly looks homemade if you examine it closely


edit - the throne, i mean

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Yeah, now that I check it out on my desktop it's clearly photoshopped.

for now

How much does it cost to mail a spraypainted dildo and Styrofoam chair halfway across the country?

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



SquadronROE posted:

Yeah, I guess the only sane thing to do is to start stockpiling bottlecaps. Do you guys think the new world order will like IBC caps?

At least at first, the new world order will be painkillers and insulin. After that it's tough to predict, as some corrupt politician will probably go off the insulin standard and start the cycle all over again :rolleyes:

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Duke Igthorn posted:

They don't even have a photograph of a guy who drive a stolen vehicle 30 miles. Not to mention, yet again, the last Bundy stand off resulted in the shooting death of two police officers by members looking to escalate. After 9/11 is the process for an airplane hijacking still "give them what they want and don't resist"?
The local sheriff has already said he agrees with their views, and right wing militias are too hot a potato for anyone to risk their political lives doing anything at any time. There is no secret plan, the entire plan is "hope it goes away".

Uhhhhh I think you'll find that those shootings were totally and completely unrelated and we'll never know why they committed their heinous crimes. furthermore they were liberals

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Abner Cadaver II posted:

Watch these fuckers steal other people's past and sell it on e-Bay.

They're becoming more and more like ISIS every day

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Aren't they stored there already with permission from the tribe? The gesture of goodwill sounds a lot like, "here take your poo poo back, we feel the government is wasting our money acting as caretakers to it"

edit - also, of course, there's the little problem that their end game here is to bulldoze the entire reserve and turn it into private cattle grazing land

Epic High Five fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Jan 21, 2016

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Just leak it on the paranoid schizo message boards they frequent that an anonymous source at the power line plant said that government specifications require a fiber optic line be included for surveillance

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



maybe we could get a kickstarter going to drone strike the Bundy's ranch

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Prester John posted:

She gave them justification to escalate and drew national attention back on them when it was starting to wane. And now 3 days later the militia has formed a military tribunal with a judge that is going to start insuring crazy pants orders that the militia will eventually try to enforce.

The Governor hosed up big.

They said they were going to do this already and have already threatened to lynch the sheriff

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Turtle Sandbox posted:

Because this time it might lead to more attacks because this time its different.

It's already going to lead to new attacks, and they've already threatened them and have agents in Burns threatening people who speak out against them. It's literally a camp to train radicals out in the woods away from anywhere like people were wringing their hands about in the first few GOP debates

We're past the point where bloodshed is inevitable, and I'd be willing to bet that the Feds are waiting for it with bated breath because it's going to take somebody dying for them to do anything. Some local is going to get super lovely with one of these yahoos and they're going to pop off and then it's all over

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



ToastyPotato posted:

That is a lot easier to do since hating the IRS is basically a meme. The right loves them some national security legislation and spending, so gutting the FBI would run counter to that, especially if it resulted in an attack that democrats can frame as preventable had the FBI had the budget.

It's a good argument but funding has already been cut to the FBI for responding to right wing christian terrorism, so it's actually more or less a stone cold fact that it would happen. They'll still spend big, just not on the FBI, like what congress did with the CDC and gun violence research

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



ToastyPotato posted:

That certainly sucks, but I would need to see how much things were cut relative to any prior increases before hand. I could see what happened to them as a warning, but there is such a thing as them going to far, and if they cut too deep, they are going to gently caress up bad and end up getting a bunch of people hurt or killed, not that this has ever stopped them before. But at a time when GOP optics couldn't be that much worse, attempting something like that could be another nail in the coffin for the party.

They'll just say it was transgender abortionists and their base will eat it up and the media will say, "well all the evidence says that the killer was a right wing militia member and also that member says it and their browser history and all their affiliations and all their friends and also it's on camera, but this expert from Mormon Shill University says that can't possibly be true. I suppose we'll never know!"

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



I'm mailing them a golden apple that says "FOR THE FREEST"

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Salt Fish posted:

There is only one solution to this:

And Trump doesn't take no for an answer

There's depositions stating exactly this

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Prester John posted:

A picture of freezing children at the refuge (or some sort of mock-up) juxtaposed with the picture of that drowned refugee child with the headline "GUESS WHICH PICTURE CAUSES LIBERAL OUTRAGE AND WHICH ONE DOESN'T" on Breitbart.

At present the hard right media (Breitbart, Infowars, etc) has been tiptoeing around the situation, waiting to see how it plays out. Because of the presence of women and children cutting the power is a potential propaganda coup for the hard right media. Might not be the worst outcome in the world, but I imagine it's a factor in the decision process.

Those kids are, for the most part at least, already toast. They're gonna get Koreshed and, barring something like a dozen snipers all going turkey shoot when they don't expect it, there's little that can be done

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Prester John posted:

It's hard for me to not think of those children, because if this were 25 years ago I (and my siblings) might very well be one of the kids on that refuge. My own family was so radicalized that I didn't even get a social security number until I was 14, and I only got one then because I was the rebel that went to a public high school. I really loving feel for those kids because I know what it's like to be surrounded by a bunch of fatalistic as a kid and not be able to do anything about it but hope for the best. It is such a jelpless, confused feeling. I'd sooner see every adult seditionist die in a hail of bullets than see any harm come to those kids.

We'd all rather see that, but the kids were brought specifically to die on camera to advance the cause and these people aren't being stopped or slowed down

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Who What Now posted:

So I've mentioned before that my wife works for the Michigan Department of Natural Resources, which shares a building with the state's Environmental Quality department. Just tonight she told me that starting today they have increased armed security in her building starting this week for the foreseeable future for fear of militias in Michigan trying to commit attacks in sympathy to the Bundys. Which isn't outside of the realm of possibility considering Michigan's history with militias.

All of a sudden this occupation is a lot less funny for me.

You'd better tell them to disperse the security, if they try to stop the patriots from marching in and doing whatever they want, there may be another Waco!

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



How much of a role does Mormon fundamentalism weirdness play into this? On a scale of fun family cookout to baby decapitation scene from Under the Banner of Heaven

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Set up a ring of glorious fire around the buildings. If they're truly right wing manly men they won't be able to resist oiling and war painting themselves up and wrestling shirtless for alpha status

If they complain about the smoke or how it's keeping them up then broadcast that to the nation

Discendo Vox posted:

On the scale, I'd rate it uncomfortable surprise invitation to reading group.

The leaders of the occupants and some of their immediate circle are following an approach that's blended elements of Mormon fundmentalism into it, but all the problems of the ideology are coming from outside sources. The Bundy's haven't tried to claim multiple wives or any of the other values generally found in fringe Mormonism beyond general separatist leanings, and generalized christian right-wing oddness(e.g. the Shofars).

This is good to hear. I wish I hadn't read that book sometimes

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



snorch posted:

Mugshot more like smugshot :smug:



dude needs to put on some mass

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Intel&Sebastian posted:

Rawstory is reporting that the mom who took her 7 kids on down to Militialand to sing previously had a different one of them taken away by the state after he ran away and apparently supplied enough evidence to get put in foster care.

She brought them there to look pretty while dying on camera. Something like that happens and it's just a matter of time before she loses the rest

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



chitoryu12 posted:

I'm wondering how a raid is going to go with the terrain on the land. It's really open and the militia occupied a fire watch tower with snipers. I'm guessing a conflict will begin with either the watch tower shooting at approaching cops unless the police shoot first.

I assume part of the warning was getting police snipers trained on that tower and saying, "and if we see you make a move to raise your rifle we shoot"

The thing about being in a fire tower is that while you do have a great view of the surrounding land, you're also a hugely obvious target whose escape route is extremely unsecure

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004




Dumbasses

If they'd just spat out a bunch of their magic words they probably would've gotten an escort

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Kazak_Hstan posted:

Oh wow they shot at police the first time they were confronted. I'm shocked, they seemed so non-violent.

they probably meant to shoot flowers and good vibes but brought the wrong bullet cozies

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



chitoryu12 posted:

Oh, I don't think they're going to be making 800 yard headshots on an approaching SWAT team. But I can see them plinking (or more like mag dumping) at approaching cars until they get shot out of the tower.

More like making a "furtive motion" to do so and getting lit up

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Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



pillsburysoldier posted:

Progress Georgia
‏@ProgressGA Progress Georgia Retweeted HGTomato
Pete was begging Blaine Cooper to let him come get the women & children out. Sounds like BC refused. #BundyMilitia

lol Pete knows as well as Blaine does what those women and children are there for

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