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Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


god bless these brave patriots

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Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


twistedmentat posted:

There was a time when open and armed insurrection against the government would be crushed and the leaders hung. Now they'll be treated with kit gloves and get book and TV deals out of it because of the power of the nutjob media.

uh, the us has a long history of letting off insurrectionists from the very beginning. No one was hung for the Whiskey Rebellion, 2 people for Shay's Rebellion, the Confederate leaders got off with a slap on the wrist...

e: white insurrection. slave rebellions had much more brutal consequences

Sheng-Ji Yang fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Jan 3, 2016

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014



god speed soldier :patriot:

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Sucrose posted:

Obviously I don't support Cliven Bundy and his gang of gun-toting assholes, who are going to get someone killed, but the ranchers in question still ought to be sentenced to the jail time that the judge originally saw fit to give them, not given a 5-year mandatory minimum for breaking a terrorism statute.

Worth noting that the ranchers being charged with terrorism (ridiculously imo) don't even want the support of the Bundy gang.

quote:

A lawyer for the Hammonds said, however, they did not welcome the Bundys’ help, according to The Associated Press.

“Neither Ammon Bundy nor anyone within his group/organization speak for the Hammond family,” the lawyer, W. Alan Schroeder, wrote to David Ward, the Harney County sheriff

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/03/us/oregon-ranchers-will-return-to-prison-angering-far-right-activists.html

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


A. Beaverhausen posted:

It's incredibly stupid that a white armed militia can take over a federal building, while being vocal about defending their position with violence, and be treated with kids gloves, but if they were black or muslim the hellfire that would rain down...

they've occupied basically a log cabin in the middle of nowhere, with no hostages. There is no reason to do anything but surround them and arrest them when they get bored or run out of food and try to leave.

The fact that if black or muslim people took action like this would result in an insane overreaction should result in condemning that kind of overreaction, not calls to Kill Them All to make things fair.

Also I have no doubt if they had stormed like, a courthouse or any sort of actually significant government building they'd be in a lot deeper poo poo right now.

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Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Volkerball posted:

yeah but at the same time, the longer you let this go on, the more you discredit the government. so there's a balance there.

its true, the occupation of Alcatraz for a year and a half lead to the discrediting of the power and sovereignty of the US Federal Government, leading to its inevitable collapse in 1991.

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