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Abalieno posted:Uhm, the difference between scientists and philosophers is that scientists only talk to other scientists, whereas philosophers talk to all of US. That's certainly not what Bakker thinks. That philosophers should strive to write books that people actually read is one of his main refrains in interviews.
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A human heart posted:The stupid fantasy man's books wouldn't be good even if they were completely accurate to neuroscience A piercing and instructive commentary, could you expand on it? Edit: General Battuta posted:Read Bakker for the superb tone of deep abominable history and killer war-slash-intrigue. Dude knows how to make a world feel big and old and interesting.
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Jul 9, 2016 00:21
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Yeah, this is basically what I've been leaning towards, only stated better.
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Jul 9, 2016 00:27
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One time Bakker said he wanted to be like Nabokov and I think he would be a wonderful subject for a sequel to Pale Fire in which someone feverishly tries to self-publish The Unholy Consult on the kindle
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Jul 9, 2016 06:21
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Libluini posted:Not where I live. German philosophers are more known for using impenetrable language to make sure only other philosophers can understand them. You mean they're condescending pricks who don't know how to talk to people? :sokal burn:
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Jul 9, 2016 13:06
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Strom Cuzewon posted:You mean they're condescending pricks who don't know how to talk to people? I've done it. I've proved people in the humanities have an ungrounded belief in the good faith engagement of physicists in their discipline and are willing to forgive shoddy work in the hope of mending the rift between the two cultures-Alan Sokal
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The Vosgian Beast posted:I've done it. I've proved people in the humanities have an ungrounded belief in the good faith engagement of physicists in their discipline and are willing to forgive shoddy work in the hope of mending the rift between the two cultures-Alan Sokal Did he say that or are you saying that?
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Did he say that or are you saying that? Figure it out.
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Jul 9, 2016 22:38
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Five years gone and on a whim I refresh my Amazon Wishlist and see that "The Unholy Consult" on my wishlist has new cover art and is called "The Great Ordeal". Huh. Weird, I say. I guess I'll look up The Great Ordeal since TUC is still "currently unavailable." It releases today. WHAT DO YOU SEE? (Re-reading the first five probably isn't going to happen by Thursday. drat.)
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Jul 12, 2016 22:00
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The "previously on" section of the new book is pretty helpful.
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Jul 12, 2016 23:44
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Jul 13, 2016 03:10
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I got mine and goddamn, I wish I didn't have to work tomorrow it is so hard to stop myself from keeping reading and reading, this is some insanely good and horrific poo poo. I absolutely love the little sorta short stories within the bigger story of the Great Ordeal armies, how he'll randomly focus on some group within it and tell some mini epic horror battle tale to start off a chapter.
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Jul 13, 2016 06:50
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The Slithery D posted:The "previously on" section of the new book is pretty helpful. It's nice to him to think of his readers with dementia
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Jul 13, 2016 07:51
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FYI, it's very doable to just read the Achamanian plot straight through and ignore the rest. It was nice to see him have a pleasant reunion with an old friend in the last chapter. This thread also had some great philosophizing.
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Jul 13, 2016 16:18
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Book came in today. Peace out bitches
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Jul 14, 2016 16:17
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I have to hold off diving into this because I'm taking an incredibly intensive training course all next week and can't afford to be distracted. 
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Jul 15, 2016 01:03
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I ordered my book on Tuesday hoping to get it today, nope it's coming in tomorrow and I'm going out of town tomorrow morning for the weekend. Shoulda gone to a brick and mortar.
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Jul 15, 2016 01:23
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Rime posted:I have to hold off diving into this because I'm taking an incredibly intensive training course all next week and can't afford to be distracted. I'm about halfway through and am in a similar situation, gently caress. I've already shown up late at work once cuz of this book and not being able to put it down. Why can't this be one of those weeks where I have nothing to do MANN Also, Ishterebinth is just so dark, so good. Pretty much straight up horror and I love it.
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Jul 15, 2016 01:39
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Yeah Ishterebinth owns. The prose gets a little sloppy during the descent but it's just so huge and hosed up. This book is miles better than the previous two so far.
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Jul 15, 2016 03:51
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Uh. So. A lot happens. I'd say it's about as much as satisfaction as the first two books in this line put together and now I'm gnashing teeth waiting for the fourth.
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Hi! I just got to the part where Kellhaus recognizes that Skeos doesn't really have a face. This matches nicely with the other dudes face unfolding like esmenets legs earlier. Shits creepy and amazing. I loving love this book especially once it explained the dunyain a bit more.
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Jul 15, 2016 13:18
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General Battuta posted:Yeah Ishterebinth owns. The prose gets a little sloppy during the descent but it's just so huge and hosed up. This book is miles better than the previous two so far. Exactly so. The first two had some great bits - mostly revolving around Mimara and Akka's drug and insanity fueled world tour. This one, though, just does not bog down. Leaves a lot of hope for a bell ringer of a finale next year.
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Jul 16, 2016 00:35
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The pitch of a chapped marmoreal rind
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Jul 16, 2016 03:36
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I liked the Consult plan of nuke 'em from below, it's the only way to be sure.
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General Battuta posted:I'm reading the end of White Luck Warrior and I just realized the inchoroi are literally the aliens from Independence Day I keep thinking that they're just HUMANS FROM OUTRR SPACE and their 'carapace' is just their spacesuit (human face contained within a larger false head etc)
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Jul 17, 2016 18:09
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How did Kelhus learn about radiation sickness?
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Jul 17, 2016 18:33
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Number Ten Cocks posted:How did Kelhus learn about radiation sickness? I'm at this part and I'm having trouble finishing it. Everyone else seems to love this one, and I'm surprised at how little you liked the first A-E books, Batutta. I thought the slog of slogs was one of the best parts of the universe so far, although like many others I think the arc in Momemn is boring and stupid and I'd like it to stop now. I guess i find the Slog of Slogs to be be a better Mines of Moria riff than the OMG we're in an insane eleven landscape and tripping out and Sorwheel has a face on his face and and in TGO. Also a magic carpet? 
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Jul 18, 2016 01:55
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The end of the Momemn final chapter sure was something. This book really yanked me around on my perceptions of Kellhus' plan and motives. I have less idea than ever what Kelmomas' purpose is, but for the first time I care a little bit.
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Jul 18, 2016 17:33
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The new book is good, y'all. Better than the last two combined.
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Jul 19, 2016 03:34
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All these glowing reviews have got me excited! I read through the original series again in anticipation for the new book. I hit a bit of a wall on the new series, though. I might skip those re-reads and just dive in to the new one.
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Jul 19, 2016 16:54
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I recommend doing just that. The summary at the beginning is enough.
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Jul 19, 2016 17:45
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I read the original trilogy 10 years ago and now I discover there's a new one out?!
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I have not bought a physical copy of a book in years and never have I paid the 30 dollars for a new release hardcover until this one. My internet was down and I have waited years for this so I decided to splurge, and am super happy that I did. The writing is fantastic and I think bakker has really honed his craft of writing about grimdarkness in a poetic style that paints a vivid picture full of atmosphere and horror. That said I think splitting it into two novels is at best a mixed blessing. Parts feel like he padded it out and leaves the novel as more of an epic prologue when it could and should have been an epicly large masterpiece that finally answered questions and tied the far ranging plots together I'd still give it 4.5 out of 5. If "The Unholy Consult" is out in a year when it is supposed to, and it is as large and engaging as The Great Ordeal is setting it up as, then I will revoke my criticism.
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The good: Proyas and Saubon are back The bad: Sometimes whole chapters pass without Proyas or Saubon appearing.
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Jul 20, 2016 21:28
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Now Kindle says it's not available until loving September. Ever are men decieved. Completely unreasonable.
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Kuiperdolin posted:Now Kindle says it's not available until loving September. Ever are men decieved. Completely unreasonable. Wait, what? I got it yesterday.
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Kuiperdolin posted:Now Kindle says it's not available until loving September. Ever are men decieved. Completely unreasonable. I'm also loving September, friend.
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Number Ten Cocks posted:I liked the Consult plan of nuke 'em from below, it's the only way to be sure. I thought Kellus allowed it to happen, or even caused it. I mean couldn't he just teleport the gently caress away with it? I was thinking it might be a way to rid himself of an army of sranc maddened peeps. But Kellus wouldn't really give a gently caress about that would he? At the end is Kellus suggesting Proyas has them eat other humans ( weak/sick/etc ). I have so many questions about these books. Sometimes I can't fully understand what Bakker is writing - like the Narindar makes reference to watching the WLW... which I thought was him, which is confusing. And I read elsewhere that Kelmomas was able to change the "Fate" or w/e and throw the WLW off. But I read those passages over and over and couldn't understand where people got that. In one section WLW throws his sword through Kellus' neck ( i think ) and then from Kelmomas view, WLW is just standing there bleeding from his ears with no explaination. poo poo is confusing. I'm majorly confused by the inside/outside/hell/heaven/gods/zero gods/logos/darkness that comes before. I've never thought too deeply about it, just sort of go with the flow and trust what the author is saying. I have rough visualizations, but like.. if this were a detective novel I would be missing all the clues. Number Ten Cocks posted:How did Kelhus learn about radiation sickness? I think he was specifically searching for the nuke, I'm guessing he had info about somehow and what its effects would be. Basically he emptied out the well of Viri until that showed up. kcroy fucked around with this message at 09:52 on Jul 21, 2016 |
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kcroy posted:Not sure what spoiler rules are so.. The white luck warrior can see himself in the future and the past, which is why he moves with that Unnerving Grace - he sees himself do something, and then he does it. The outside is some combination afterlife and spirit realm - it's where souls and gods reside. It exists in some way outside of time, which is how prophecy is able to exist and how WLW can do his thing. One of the major mysteries is how exactly the outside relates to the inside - whether gods cause humans or humans cause god. The zero/infinite thing is a weird spin on omniscience and the "can god make a rock so heavy he can't lift it?" because if the God is infinite and all knowing, then he's unable to be surprised, unable to experience the panoply of human emotions that depend on not knowing. More disturbing, if the god sees all then, like the WLW, it has no will, he does what he will do (oh hello Muad'Dib, didn't see you there). The WLW goes catatonic because Kellhus has somehow found a way to break free of prophecy, to exist outside his visions. WLW can't kill him, because he can only see the false future where he's killed him. Ditto the no-god, because he (may) destroy the outside by murdering the world the gods can't see him - if you're infinite, you can't conceive your end.
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