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Which non-Power of the Daleks story would you like to see an episode found from?
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Marco Polo 36 20.69%
The Myth Makers 10 5.75%
The Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve 45 25.86%
The Savages 2 1.15%
The Smugglers 2 1.15%
The Highlanders 45 25.86%
The Macra Terror 21 12.07%
Fury from the Deep 13 7.47%
Total: 174 votes
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Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


No idea. :shrug:

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Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


I have zero problem with Chibnall. Broadchurch I was excellent. I also really enjoyed Broadchurch II, despite popular opinion. I never really watched Torchwood besides CoE, and I'd have to specifically look up/rewatch his eps of Life On Mars and L&O: UK to see if they are as poo poo as everyone claims.

At the end of the day, he's still a competent showrunner and writer who is a huge Who fan. He's no Gatiss, but I'm pretty sure there would have been wailing and weeping if he'd taken over because half the people ITT hate him. Basically almost any showrunner who they pick is gonna be rabidly hated by some. At least they didn't decide to "sex it up" with some non who "so Geordi is an alien, right?" outsider--ie My Worst Fear.

I'm decidedly unthrilled about the break and the probably departure of Capaldi, but at least we get one more solid year of him and Moffat. I never had the hate for Moffat a lot of people did. Some of his poo poo could be convoluted and twee, but RTD was just as guilty. He took us through 2 regeneratiions and the anniversary and nailed it with 3 of the best cast Doctors, a shitload of great additions to the canon, excellent support of Big Finish--really everything I'd have wanted if you'd asked me 5 years ago. The one good thing about the break is at least we know Who is reasonably safe to continue as it has through 2018.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001



Hmm, basically me in 1986 so I fail to see the problem here. :smug:

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001



Murray Gold already has his first remit for season 11. :v:


jng2058 posted:

Okay, so where's the idea that Capaldi's leaving with Moffat coming from? I don't see any hard evidence of that anywhere. Indeed, given how Moffat himself said that it was extraordinarily difficult to handle becoming the new showrunner and inaugurating a new Doctor simultaneously, I'd expect him to do his best to get Peter to stay on for at least one season of Chibnall's run just to help smooth the transition.

Sure, just like David Tennant promised he would! :suicide:

The real question is: will Moffat be involved in picking the new Doctor as opposed to letting Chibnall handle the casting, and if so, should he? I can see arguments either way: on the one hand it would be great to let Chibnall pick his own Doctor. On the other hand Moffat is 3 for 3 with amazing casting for the role....


Stabbatical posted:

I think Cyberwoman sucked as much as the next guy, but I think I'd be more interested in seeing another bizarre failure like that than another very competent episode of Moffat's worn-out bag of well-worn tricks again (Heaven Sent excluded). It's been, what, 5 years? It's change, my dear. And it seems not a moment too soon.

One thing about Cyberwoman which I'll ask--wasn't Torchwood RTD's show? Wasn't he the showrunner? I never watched the regular seasons, and I never saw Cyberwoman in particular and I'd wonder--if you ignore the stupid costume, was the writing that bad? I don't see how you can blame the writer for the choices of the director, costumer, set designer, actors, etc.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


I liked the second season of Broadchurch just fine. It wasn't as amazing as the first, but it was compelling enough and I liked the characters and enjoyed seeing more of their lives. Their hosed up, broken lives. :allears:

L&O:UK is a procedural, with all that entails, and apparently a lot of the episodes are straight up remakes of US stories with powdered wigs. I don't like procedurals, and never watched any of the US L&Os so I wouldn't know.

That said, it was a must see for me because of all the Doctor Who and BSG alums that were in it. Best era was the beginning with Ronnie and Matt Devlin (Jamie Bamber) but I liked it all. It's a shame that so many actors came and went, but I suppose that's how the US shows (and real workplaces) are.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


I always assumed the guy from Hothouse was supposed to be a Sting/Bono analogue. :shrug:

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Bicyclops posted:

That is a really good exchange.

I'm in the middle of the Eighth Doctor's fourth season and really enjoying it. They actually do a pretty good job of reviving the Meddling Monk as a villain. I'm still not quite sure how I feel about Tamsin, but it usually does take me a few stories to warm up to a new companion.

I liked Tamsin because she used her acting skills to good use.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Davros1 posted:

Nick Briggs told a story about when it came to Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel, he and RTD had decided on the voice to use. So when they were filming (since Briggs does the voices live), director Graeme Harper came up to him and told him no, he wants the Cybermen to sound more like Darth Vader. Briggs began to fret, because he didn't want to upset the director, but that's not what he and RTD had agreed on. He conveyed this to David Tennant, who said "Call Russell". Briggs didn't want to do this, didn't want to cause waves, but David stressed "Call Russell". So Briggs did, explained the situation, and minutes after he got off the phone, Harper came up to him and told him they were going to do the voices they way Briggs wanted to.

This is why having superfans showrunning and starring in the show is loving awesome. :dance:

You can drat well bet this sort of issue would be handled similarly on Capaldi/Moffat's watch.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


MrL_JaKiri posted:

Tell him that initially it was something that let him undo screws at a distance (which it was) :v:

"What's he gonna do, assemble a cabinet at them?" :smug:

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Well Peter's artwork has certainly improved since the 70s! :haw:

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


"Oh, MARY!"

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


IceAgeComing posted:

yeah for all the flak that JNT gets he's basically the reason why it wasn't cancelled three years earlier; without him we wouldn't have had McCoy as the Seventh Doctor and some of the great stuff that he was in. I mean with the stories that you hear about how difficult the end of Trial of a Timelord was who'd have blamed him if he'd gone "gently caress this" and moved onto something else. I mean the last part of the thing is probably the only Pip and Jane thing that you can't totally blame them for being terrible!

You can always blame Pip and Jane for being terrible.


Especially if you are Chris Chibnall. :v:

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


I have yet to listen to the War Doctor, but I read the book, and I think it's more interesting and appropriate for moments of the old Doctors to shine through. He is the same man after all.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Gaz-L posted:

Huh. BF just announced the new Benny Summerfield/Who crossover set will feature Benny and the Third Doctor... David Warner's Third Doctor, battling Mark Gatiss' Master.

Whoa, they're doing more Unbounds? :dance:

I thought they never would. Warner's Doctor is great.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Jerusalem posted:

Yeah, it should definitely be on around 7pm. The more people that make a fuss about that (I believe Moffat has also criticized the BBC over this) the better.

Yeah, Moffat has spoke about this before. And they are more than just guys who work on the show, they are lifelong fans, and from a fan's perspective they are probably protective of it. It's more than a job for them--they could walk now and be set for life and always work on other stuff. I would imagine both of them want to be able to go on watching the show for years to come as fans and don't like it being treated shabbily by the network.



Stuporstar posted:

Why do I get the feeling this may end up like Colin Baker all over again? Capaldi gets only a couple up and down seasons only to get shafted with a poor regeneration episode because he decided he wanted to continue working rather than sit around while the show is on hiatus. Meanwhile a lovely showrunner runs the show into the ground, making weird dramatic plans for the story that will never come to fruition due to poor execution and executive fuckery...

I don't think that would ever happen again because the landscape of tv is very different now than it was 30 years ago. Nobody is going to say "Doctor Who needs a rest" and then shut it down but keep paying the producers to show up to an office for months at a time to twiddle their thumbs, not give them any idea what sort of retooling is expected, etc.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


I'm assuming "Story and Disco" is a biography of Ian Levine? :v:

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


They're finally doing it!!!

https://www.bigfinish.com/news/v/doctor-who-the-two-masters-trilogy---coming-soon

:dance:

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Jerusalem posted:

For all that though, I absolutely adore the final scene and think it is a remarkable piece of visual storytelling AND acting. As the camera pans around Ashildr while time zooms past leaving her untouched, we get both a sense of the timespan she now suffers through and the personal changes she experiences across that time period. From wonder and joy to concern/horror to just empty, dull indifference.

http://i.imgur.com/h3x3A1c.gifv

How anyone could watch this and say "oh, she's just not a good actor" is just :psyduck:

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


CobiWann posted:

Yeah, I handed my wife's ex-husband my copy of Spare Parts for Peter Davison to sign while he's bringing his copy of The Mind Robber for Ms. Padbury. I really wish I could have gone this year and hope Peter comes back next year, especially if the con moves to a different hotel.

So those of us who are audio fans often make fun of Joseph Lidster, a writer who has almost redefined the phrase “misery porn.” He’s written some interesting stories with incredibly downer endings or canon-shattering events that are rarely, if ever, mentioned again (Eight’s two amnesiac companions in Terror Firma, Ace’s long lost brother in The Rapture).

I bring this up because he’s in charge of Big Finish’s Dark Shadows line the same way Nicholas Briggs handles the Who side of the house, and if you know anything about Dark Shadows then you know Lidster’s style is the perfect fit for the Collins family.

And with that said…

https://www.bigfinish.com/news/v/dark-shadows-50th-anniversary-special-offers

I'll second this. I've been a big Dark Shadows fan since I was a kid and Lidster does a great job sheparding the line. His biggest failing is (mostly) refusing to recast characters which is bizarre considering they're doing it with Doctor Who now, and it was a freaking SOAP OPERA so that was standard operating procedure anyway. But besides that, it's usually consistently good and true to the source material (unlike "fans" Burton and Depp's effort). Anything with Quentin, Angelique, or Jerry Lacey as either Trask or Tony Peterson is gold.



I mean, Quentin Collins vs The Nazis, what more could you want? :allears:

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Davros1 posted:

Elliot Chapman now voices Ben Jackson, Jemma Powell is Barbara Wright, Tim Treloar is the Third Doctor, and Frazier Hines is pretty much the Second Doctor now.

Also anytime Peter Purves does an episode he nails Hartnell's performance.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


CobiWann posted:



London, England, the 1890s. Queen Victoria, ruler of Great Britain and Ireland and Empress of India, has arrived for her annual inspection of the Torchwood Institute. This year, everyone is quite determined, nothing will go wrong.

Several minutes later a terrible creature is unleashed on the streets of London. No one knows where it comes from, what it is, or even why it's on Earth. It's ruthless, has no morals, and is quite unstoppable. Captain Jack Harkness is on the loose, and Queen Victoria is along for the ride of her life.

John Barrowman is Captain Jack Harkness in The Victorian Age.

OK, let's say I love Captain Jack on Doctor Who. I never really watched Torchwood, but enjoyed Children of Earth.

Is this for me?

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


adhuin posted:

So they're expecting people checking/buying things hourly during the Work/School day? That's weird.

Yeah, tough to do...



























...unless you have Wednesday off work!


Gonna be buying some BF I guess!

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


The_Doctor posted:

The BBC online shop is shutting down! They're having a massive sale! However all the Classic series DVDs seem to have vanished from the listings...

How does an online shop for a major entertainment/media outlet just "shut down" in Current Year?

Like did someone at the BBC decide "OK, that's it, this whole 'Internet' thing is played out, it's a fad that's over. Nobody is going to 'e-shop' anymore, pack it in!"

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


I can see why they'd stop bothering with DVDs. I haven't bought a DVD in years, and the last one I bought is still in the wrapper.

But why stop selling branded merch? You can buy a loving TARDIS dress at Hot Topic for chrissakes, but you can't buy a DW t-shirt or mug from the BBC?

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


I think the one thing you can take away from the past two showrunners is that they both are capable of amazing stuff, and also really terrible stuff, and neither are perfect. Probably good to remember for when the new one takes over...

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Tavarin posted:

Alas no, it was some weird show about cycling afterwards.

This is probably MORE appropriate.

And Saturday at 10pm sounds about right for the time, IIRC correctly. :v:

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


So I just got done listening to The Black Hole, the latest 2nd Doctor joint. Good story, Frazier as usual kills it, David Warner(!) narrates. Deborah Watling isn't quite on par with some of her contemporaries as far as the whole "sounding like she's still 20" that say Frazier, Peter Purves, or Wendy Padbury can. But the story was a great mix of an authentic 2nd Doctor story with modern tech touches--it operates as the best ones do in a weird quantum state (appropriately to a concept in this story) where it simultaneously can be visualized as a show in the 60s or in a future years from now.

What did surprise me were the two twists at the end --they're unretconning Season 6b? :psyduck: And perhaps less surprisingly, Oh Its The Monk. Again. I almost wonder if BF is starting to overuse him a bit?


Burkion posted:

We are immensely lucky because we have never had a bad Doctor to date.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001



Tres cool, is there a bigger version?

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


MrL_JaKiri posted:

A guy who played the Master for maybe four seconds in total is not really comparable to a Big Finish regular.

A guy who played the Master for maybe four seconds in total isn't even comparable to CGI Snake. :v:

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001



Wow, that sucks. He wasn't even that old either. Was looking forward to many more years of B7 audios...he was great in the role right up to the end.

I just realized I only have one full cast audio with Gareth left to listen to (Caged). :(

At least there's still some Liberator Chronicles I can get.


egon_beeblebrox posted:

I watched the old B-movie, First Man Into Space, earlier today, and was delighted to see Roger Delgado pop up in it. It was an OK movie.

Ainley does a great turn in The Land that Time Forgot, starring Doug McClure, as an rear end in a top hat German U-Boat XO.

Astroman fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Apr 15, 2016

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Jerusalem posted:



Short Synopsis: The Doctor accidentally ends up the Boss on Celebrity Apprentice UK

I actually really liked this one. :)

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Open Source Idiom posted:

Exile was sold on being a bawdy sex-change comedy, but it's also a story about the Doctor as alcoholic and possible schizophrenic. She experiences delusional spells (a trait strangely common among the Unbound Doctors), and there are moments when you can sense parts of the Doctor's earlier adventures peaking in around the edges of the script, in ways that suggest we're seeing a character who's losing their mind. Plus, casting Arrabella Weir as a working class Doctor means that you've got a good basis to explore and challenge some of the built-in assumptions about the character. Why is the Doctor (nearly) always an eccentric, upper-middleclass Edwardianite? How is that an essential part of their characterization?

Just look at the play's best scene if you want to see what Exile could have been -- the sequence where Weir drunkenly communes with a static playing television. It's the middle of the night, the character is blackout drunk, and she's hallucinating a vision of her former life, but she's also detected an alien message hidden among the whitenoise.

:stare:

This sounds bad, like Torchwood bad or Walking Dead Comics That I've Never Read But Heard About Carol's Arc bad, and I will be avoiding this like the plague.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Walking Dead Comic Spoilers:

quote:

Tensions start to rise between Carol and Tyreese when Michonne is introduced, and Carol begins to fear Tyreese will be attracted to her. Carol tries to ignore Tyreese and Michonne's friendship for some time and simply just brush it off as nothing, until she witnesses Michonne performing oral sex on Tyreese in the prison gymnasium. Initially, this led to her to think that she had to try and compete with Michonne for his affection, so when they were in bed she shamefully and tearfully attempted to give him oral sex as well. She openly expressed how she couldn't bring herself to do such a degrading act and broke down into tears.

quote:

On one occasion, she passionately kisses Rick when he attempts to console her. She proposes the idea of a polygamous or plural relationship between him, Lori, and herself. Her reasoning being that since the normal rules of society no longer apply, they can live however they want, raise their children and provide each other with security and comfort in this nightmarish world. He rejects her idea. Visibly hurt, she goes to Lori and attempts to propose the polygamous relationship to her, only be to shot down a second time.

I read that and I'm like "nope, I'll just stick with the show."

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


egon_beeblebrox posted:

So I just found out about the old slang term "Celestial" and, ouch, The Celestial Toymaker is unfortunate.

Yeah, for years I always thought it was "celestial" as in "outer space" which fit in with Doctor Who, and that the mandarin robes were just an affectation/costuming choice. IIRC I don't think it was even after watching Deadwood that I made the connection, but when reading Phillip Sandifer's blog that I had the :aaaaa: moment.

Now I can't unsee it.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


DI Menzies is indeed great, and I hope they bring her back.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


I think we have to accept that the days of having diverse, alien companions that aren't from 21st century London or the UK in general is over. They might range in age from 18-40, they could be low income or doctors, but that's the range. I think they'll always be women too, because of some bullshit demographical balancing where if the Doctor is a man the companion must be a woman (which is pretty regressive and cis-sexist if you think about it). If it's a man, he has to be the love interest of the female companion.

The only exception to this was Captain Jack, but he was really only around for a couple of stories as part of the regular crew. Before that, you have to go back to Turlough and Nyssa for examples of aliens and men who weren't boyfriends. In a way, I guess we can't complain because the companions who were from other planets or times or were robots were exceptions to the rule. You had:

-Susan (not much of an example, since she was already travelling with the Doctor)

-Vicki, Steven--now these aren't great examples because while they were from other times, they weren't played as too very different. Other than a few "well in MY time, we danced like this, and in the 20th century you danced like THAT" references they were very much like mainstream 60s people. At least, the fish out of water aspect was a lot less explored than it would be today

-Katrina, Sara--not even worth mentioning, since they were barely on. Katrina was, IIRC, actually killed off because the producers saw her origins and worldview as a limitation

-Jamie, Victoria, and Zoe--they are much better examples, as they were very different, were from very different eras, and their reactions to things were a bit more deeply explored as a function of their origins than Vicki and Steven. But still not in as much depth as they'd be today

-Leela and the Romanas--probably the gold standard of "different" companions, as their otherworldliness was actually a plot function in numerous stories. They were alien to the viewer, but also relatable and beloved.

-K-9 and Chameleon--different, but underused. Really more "gimmick" than anything else

-Adric, Nyssa and Turlough--last of the aliens, but underserved by being part of a huge TARDIS crew

and that's it. Out of 40 onscreen companions who were onscreen more than one episode, only 15 were aliens, from other eras than the show's production era, or robots. And it hasn't really happened in force in over 30 years, I think we have to accept that even though Moffat was willing to throw things back by casting an older Doctor, casting a non modern companion is a bridge too far for him (or his bosses at the BBC).

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


After The War posted:

If you have any faith in humanity, don't go look in the incarnation of this thread when that photo was released. "Emo" is a hell of a lot nicer than some folks were saying.

I will fully admit that I was part of hating on Matt Smith. A lesson learned, because he's one of my favorite Doctors now.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Bicyclops posted:

Me too, and they have said they wanted to go in "a different direction" with this companion, but they always say that. The 80s outfit will probably be due to some trip they're about to take in which the TARDIS accidentally lands in the 3080s :v:

Either way, I like the two minutes we've seen of her. Her way of questioning the reality of the Doctor Who Universe kind of cheerfully,

I love this. I was listening to the last couple of Lucie Miller stories, with Susan and Alex and the Daleks, and when they tell her how the Daleks want to put a big engine on the Earth she asks the obvious loving questions: "WAIT, THAT'S PANTS ON HEAD RETARDED, WON'T THAT SCREW UP GRAVITY AND THE ATMOSPHERE AND poo poo?!" :supaburn:

You know, the questions that the writers and producers who came up with that idea back in the 60s probably never thought of...

So I hope we see more of it!

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Yeah, Ace is a bad example because she was the first Companion With A Special Destiny and Secret Origins. She was Clara before Clara Clara'd. Except it was probably a splinter of Clara that set up the lab explosion that blew her through time and space to Iceworld. :v:

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Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


I'm not sure I can say if a writer's room is objectively better than the current system, but I think it'll be great to get more input from the very large number of talented pro writers who are also die hard Who fans. Seems like a win win.

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