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Concerned Citizen posted:I'm sick of the biased media ignoring Bernie Sanders. Now that he's polling higher they probably figure it will get them bigger ratings to air him talking more! Gooooo for profit news media!
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Reason posted:Now that he's polling higher they probably figure it will get them bigger ratings to air him talking more! Gooooo for profit news media! I bet you the next Repub debate has an equal number of Bernie and Hillary questions
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Jan 18, 2016 05:52
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They've got the perfect MOM strategy. You give him a bunch of questions at the beginning to lure him into a false sense of security and think he'll get a fair shake, then ignore him. This way you avoid the "Excuse me when an I going to get a question?" whining anchors hate.
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Jan 18, 2016 05:53
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How many Dem debates are left?
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Jan 18, 2016 05:54
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Limit O'Malley's question responses to 140 characters or fewer.
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Jan 18, 2016 05:55
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Full Battle Rattle posted:How many Dem debates are left? Two more - one in Feb and another on March 9.
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Jan 18, 2016 05:56
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The Hillary campaign was whining that having fewer polls is one reason why she is not doing well this month.
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Jan 18, 2016 05:57
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Concerned Citizen posted:Two more - one in Feb and another on March 9. thankfully m'om won't be in either of them
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Jan 18, 2016 06:00
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Raskolnikov38 posted:thankfully m'om won't be in either of them He will be in both of them, and he will be the next President of the United States.
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Jan 18, 2016 06:02
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Logikv9 posted:agreed david brock said stupid poo poo, but then again so do bernie's staffers (complaining about foreign policy focus and then seeming insensitive before a debate, for example) Is Hillary's foregin policy actually all that good? America's foreign policy has been absolute poo poo for a long time now, I fail to see where she ever broke from that long disappointing tradition. I find it hard to blame them for being unhappy about foreign policy (my god, especially terrorism) taking center stage. It's garbage, always has been garbage, we were never able to fumble out of our drunken "win" in the cold war and sober up enough to stop. It's such a strange issue where all you have to do to have credibility is to be on the record flexing muscle resulting in the murder of tens of thousands. Sure, I get it, it's America. I'm resigned to how people think as a result of an avalanche of misinformation and falsehoods. Yet uh, Hillary supported the Iraq war. which ballooned into sectarian violence, which resulted in ISIS.. Hillary says no fly zone in Syria..shortly afterward Turkey shoots down a Russian jet. I get why they were mad because this country has been driven insane over foreign policy. Sacrifice anything and spend as much as possible on national security and the military. Hillary also is not good for that either. She's still Bush the Second 2002 on War/"National Security" even now. That said, I like Bernie but he is a bit weak on foreign policy..but he's not Stupid America about it, at least. Hell, isn't Hillary a Henry Kissinger fan? Foreign policy is not his strong point, but neither is it Hillary's, even if it wins her the polls because she sings the "right" notes.
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Jan 18, 2016 06:05
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hobotrashcanfires posted:That said, I like Bernie but he is a bit weak on foreign policy..but he's not Stupid America about it, at least. Hell, isn't Hillary a Henry Kissinger fan? Foreign policy is not his strong point, but neither is it Hillary's, even if it wins her the polls because she sings the "right" notes. 
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Jan 18, 2016 06:08
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My Imaginary GF posted:Ew. It's a little weird that you had to get this specific to say no.
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Jan 18, 2016 06:08
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Top Bunk Wanker posted:It's a little weird that you had to get this specific to say no. Let s/he who hasn't masturbated to proposals to toughen regulations on risky derivatives cast the first stone.
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Jan 18, 2016 06:10
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Is there any proof of this other than some lovely reporter posting his opinion and pretending it's a fact? Doesn't Obama on his 8th year poll better than anyone running ( in both parties )
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Jan 18, 2016 06:10
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 sent out a nice email this night: I think it was a self inflicted test of strength Hillary
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Jan 18, 2016 06:10
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Winkie01 posted:Is there any proof of this other than some lovely reporter posting his opinion and pretending it's a fact? Doesn't Obama on his 8th year poll better than anyone running ( in both parties ) Well, he didn't say "most people." Just "lots of people," which I suppose is vague enough to be indisputably true.
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Jan 18, 2016 06:11
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Tigntink posted:And black people. Don't forget that. If Sanders' supporters truly cared about the voices of America's blacm community being heard, they'd be supporting Clinton. Top Bunk Wanker posted:It's a little weird that you had to get this specific to say no. I love power. Don't you? Isn't it so loving exciting when you can implement policy which has an actionable impact upon your constituents' livelihoods? My Imaginary GF has issued a correction as of 06:20 on Jan 18, 2016 |
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Jan 18, 2016 06:16
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I missed it what happened in 140 characters exactly
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Jan 18, 2016 06:19
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Lyapunov Unstable posted:I missed it what happened in 140 characters exactly Bernie came he saw he conquered
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Jan 18, 2016 06:20
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etalian posted:Bernie came he saw he conquered He ate Turkey
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Jan 18, 2016 06:21
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Bernie is going to kill the sinners who live in America
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Jan 18, 2016 06:21
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Lyapunov Unstable posted:I missed it what happened in 140 characters exactly o'malley cucked by moderators, sound team
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Jan 18, 2016 06:22
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i am an efficient serial killer, by taking out sanders and clinton i will ensure a MOM presidency, i need compstat on a national level
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Jan 18, 2016 06:23
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Mayor Dave posted:i am an efficient serial killer, by taking out sanders and clinton i will ensure a MOM presidency, i need compstat on a national level Damnit stop getting the Secret Service called on Lowtax people, this isn't cool
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Jan 18, 2016 06:30
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Winkie01 posted:Is there any proof of this other than some lovely reporter posting his opinion and pretending it's a fact? Doesn't Obama on his 8th year poll better than anyone running ( in both parties ) Are you trying to imply that either of the two assertions of the tweet are untrue? Because they are both super obvious
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Jan 18, 2016 06:33
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When Bill Clinton was running for his first presidential election had this sign at the main campaign HQ in Little Rockquote:1. Change vs. more of the same
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hobotrashcanfires posted:Is Hillary's foregin policy actually all that good? America's foreign policy has been absolute poo poo for a long time now, I fail to see where she ever broke from that long disappointing tradition. I believe the current thing right now is that Sanders is weak on foreign policy because he lacks that sort of enthusiasm for it as he does domestic policies, and a lot of what it seems is that it plays second fiddle to domestic policies in my book. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? I would personally agree that domestic issues take precedence, but Bernie seems largely uninformed about the world at large. During the debate, his answers seemed like it held some detail but it was really what others have been regurgitating for a long time. Personally I would rather a President who is more well-rounded and pragmatic, which has already made me biased I guess. But that's how it is depicted IMO, take it as you will. Generally, Bernie has a really, really good time discussing his stump speech, and seems like he has to slug along with any other unrelated issues. Not everything can be drawn back to his stump speech, and I don't believe him to be as effective when dealing with things that aren't in his immediate scope of expertise (just like sudden events in the world of foreign affairs!). It's also on you to decide on her history of foreign policy. I'm going to admit right now I'm not exactly drowning in details of her time in the State Department but just from simple logic I can gather it wasn't all awfulness and while poo poo happened, to assume everything was bad is not being honest with yourself. From my lovely memory, I don't remember a lot of controversies outside of the ones you have described, and a lot of those other ones are overblown because of :republicans:. A lot of what goes on during the debate discussion is that she knows more and has a deeper understanding of the issues presented, which is true. Bad Caller posted:Hillary is basically a republican punching bag at this point and bogeymen, whereas Sanders is basically king of amendments and has worked with Republicans quite a bit to get some good things done. He'd probably be better at doing it. Yeah maybe they could turn against him but hopefully Americans after two years of Republicans doing nothing actually vote Democrat locally or a progressive grassroots begins. Hillary is largely disliked because of her long history dealing with the Republican Party. Bernie Sanders, for most of his career, has been largely on the sidelines and not any sort of "enemy" outside of the ideological scene to Republicans. You know the hate machine will be ramped up to high gear if Bernie gets the nom, and the reason that they didn't exactly poo poo all over him outside the generic "he's a SOCIALIST" comment during the Republican debates is because they don't take him as a serious threat at the moment. As for your predictions of a larger progressive movement, I can't prove you wrong but you can't prove yourself right. I personally believe it to be highly unlikely due to the increased antagonism from the Republicans and a serious segment of the population, and a possible lack of progress in Congress due to no-compromise positions.
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etalian posted:When Bill Clinton was running for his first presidential election had this sign at the main campaign HQ in Little Rock Stop posting Bernie's campaign notes, TIA
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Jan 18, 2016 06:49
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Logikv9 posted:Hillary is largely disliked because of her long history dealing with the Republican Party. Bernie Sanders, for most of his career, has been largely on the sidelines and not any sort of "enemy" outside of the ideological scene to Republicans. You know the hate machine will be ramped up to high gear if Bernie gets the nom, and the reason that they didn't exactly poo poo all over him outside the generic "he's a SOCIALIST" comment during the Republican debates is because they don't take him as a serious threat at the moment. As for your predictions of a larger progressive movement, I can't prove you wrong but you can't prove yourself right. I personally believe it to be highly unlikely due to the increased antagonism from the Republicans and a serious segment of the population, and a possible lack of progress in Congress due to no-compromise positions. Bernie is hated by establishment democrats such as Barney Frank and is not popular with Wall Street.
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etalian posted:When Bill Clinton was running for his first presidential election had this sign at the main campaign HQ in Little Rock That was back when expanding healthcare coverage didn't automatically equate to expanding entitlements for African-Americans. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Re: Foreign policy, I'm willing to bet a significant portion of potential Democrat voters no longer give a poo poo about foreign policy. While I may be more extreme than others in feeling like we should maybe let them shoot each other until they work out who is in charge and only interfere to take in refugees, I'm sure many other Americans are sick of endless decades of being involved in the endless morass of the Middle East and just want out. Hillary's competence with foreign policy may not count for as much as she might hope, and Bernie's general disinterest in affairs outside of the US borders might actually be a positive amongst some (me).
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Not a Step posted:Re: Foreign policy, I'm willing to bet a significant portion of potential Democrat voters no longer give a poo poo about foreign policy. While I may be more extreme than others in feeling like we should maybe let them shoot each other until they work out who is in charge and only interfere to take in refugees, I'm sure many other Americans are sick of endless decades of being involved in the endless morass of the Middle East and just want out. Hillary's competence with foreign policy may not count for as much as she might hope, and Bernie's general disinterest in affairs outside of the US borders might actually be a positive amongst some (me). Voters see the following issues as the main ones, economy/jobs(1st), healthcare(2nd) and finally climate change(3rd).
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etalian posted:Voters see the following issues as the main ones, economy/jobs(1st), healthcare(2nd) and finally climate change(3rd). as much as i wish they did, i don't think most voters really care about climate change
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Lol man, I feel bad for MOM, I really do. He'd be such a likable guy if it weren't for him locking up a sixth of Baltimore.
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etalian posted:Bernie is hated by establishment democrats such as Barney Frank and is not popular with Wall Street. Why does Barney Frank hate him? From a quick search I found this, is that it? The Wall Street thing... I mean, yeah. Not a Step posted:Re: Foreign policy, I'm willing to bet a significant portion of potential Democrat voters no longer give a poo poo about foreign policy. While I may be more extreme than others in feeling like we should maybe let them shoot each other until they work out who is in charge and only interfere to take in refugees, I'm sure many other Americans are sick of endless decades of being involved in the endless morass of the Middle East and just want out. Hillary's competence with foreign policy may not count for as much as she might hope, and Bernie's general disinterest in affairs outside of the US borders might actually be a positive amongst some (me). This is essentially isolationism. America cannot be isolationist, not after it asserted itself in world affairs during and after WWII. Like it or not, America needs to interfere, because much of what makes the world, the world (does this make sense) is determined strictly by America's level of involvement. It might sound like a never-ending quagmire of applying soft and hard power, but that's the fate of the most networked, more powerful country in the world. The question is not should we interfere, it's now how much we should interfere.
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Logikv9 posted:Why does Barney Frank hate him? From a quick search I found this, is that it? The Wall Street thing... I mean, yeah. He bashed Bernie using typical Clinton surrogate scare tactics and talking points: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/why-progressives-shouldnt-support-bernie-120484' This a good article on Bernie's early years as a congressman: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/12/the-populist-prophet quote:Some of his colleagues returned the favor. Joe Moakley, a Massachusetts Democrat who was the chairman of the influential House Rules Committee, told the A.P. reporter, “He screams and hollers, but he is all alone.” Another Democrat from the Massachusetts delegation, Barney Frank, was even more blunt. “Bernie alienates his natural allies,” he said. “His holier-than-thou attitude—saying, in a very loud voice, he is smarter than everyone else and purer than everyone else—really undercuts his effectiveness.” barney Frank took at job with a Wall Street bank after leaving office so maybe Bernie's attitude was justified
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Logikv9 posted:Why does Barney Frank hate him? From a quick search I found this, is that it? The Wall Street thing... I mean, yeah. Nope. Disagree. I am ready for a return to psuedo-isolationist America that doesn't try to shape any more regimes. At most I'm willing to support airstrikes in support of other regional movements who are willing to invest their own ground forces. Maybe some special forces because theyve been proven to be effective on the ground. But no more political manipulation and shenanigans. Let the world have a few civil wars and the occasional genocide, if it must, so regional powers can get their poo poo together. America should stand by to take in refugees and skim the best talent from poverty stricken and war torn nations, same as we always have. Aside from that, I'm sick of ill planned military adventure after ill planned military adventure, and I bet I represent a decent amount of the millennial generation. gently caress American imperialism, lets go back to our culture and science encouraging the world to be more like us instead of our military. Also cut $100 billion from our military spending and use it to fund federal education and research initiatives. E: And before anyone gets pissy about insufficient patriotism, I served for six years in the Navy (and milked that federal welfare for all it was worth) but then went on to graduate from an elite private liberal arts college Nix Panicus has issued a correction as of 08:01 on Jan 18, 2016 |
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