Pener Kropoopkin posted:

It's trite how often these sorts of socdems and anarchists keep bringing up the USSR and China, or the USSR and North Korea, when Cuba is an unambiguous success of actually existing socialism.

Autism Sneaks posted:

https://twitter.com/Pontifex/status/1089327127277621248?s=19

StashAugustine posted:

Well the argument here is that this is that rhe legacy of slavery is one of the reasons thia happened. There was plenty of state and private repression that supported slavery- laws against abolitionist speech culminating in federal censorship via the post office, lynchings of abolitionists, etc. This paranoid mindset (so the argument goes) led to more paranoia about labor unrest in general.

(Disclamers: have no opinion on the arguments truth, it was presented as a minor reason among the other ones mentioned here, obviously racialized repression was way worse and more common)

Serf posted:

do these people really think we're not gonna need like gulags for the nazis and poo poo

apropos to nothing posted:

Homeless Friend posted:

The idea here that there were no skilled slaves responsible for plantation organization is lol, also lol at whatever the hell slave mentality means.

Venom Snake posted:

certain people really tell on themselves when their vision of a post-capitalist future is just what they do when playing management games.

GunnerJ posted:

Seems like it would be pretty easy to just create a new labor aristocracy if things get too dicey.

Victory Position posted:

so they did it again with influencers

who will be the next buffer to cushion the blade?

Peanut President posted:

The media has realized that calling socialism bad isn't working so they're trying to act like it's just trendy hipsters.

smarxist posted:

https://twitter.com/maybekatz/status/1103094601433284608

Terrorist Fistbump posted:

Thanks to Black Socialists of America ✔ who stopped me from reading Engels after I read Marx, otherwise I would be sitting here staring at sexy_stalin.jpg and thinking about sucking off the state

unbutthurtable posted:

i'm extraordinarily uneducated and poorly-read, but I think this actually has a scrap of optimism to it. Specifically, all that post-9/11 hyper-defensive jack bauer bullshit leads me to think that there's some portion of the American electorate that A) already cares about safety above all else and B) can be convinced that anti-imperialism might be the best way to make fewer enemies and therefore suffer fewer violent repercussions

Like, I know a true and genuine leftist would recoil at the idea of American safety being the primary motivator of an anti-imperialist tack in American politics...but I think there is some potential for receptiveness there and I wonder how much anti-imperialist ends would justify those means.

this was a drunkpost so I apologize if any of that was nonsensical

Verisimilidude posted:

what

I’ve been spending less time on the Internet lately, so I’m not hip to the memes any more. is the cute comic bad?

smarxist posted:

anarchists are important to the development of a communist society in the same way that communists are important to raising class consciousness in the current material conditions

you need people who reject literally all abstracted power and structural, hierarchical ordering to be like "drat man, I dunno about this one dawg" when you're building your society to keep your bitch rear end in check, and if they start throwing bombs at you and you gotta kill them you probably hosed up somewhere

Frog Act posted:

I’ve never really heard anarchists articulate any ideas that aren’t just basically already inherent to Communism. anti-state, anti-market, anti-hierarchy, etc are all just like, what’s supposed to happen after a socialist state builds itself to a sufficiently advanced level

smarxist posted:

i could say the same for a type of vanguard that is given large amounts of abstracted power in a revolution

drat this HUMAN NATURE

smarxist posted:

alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll i'm saying is that while a strong state/party may be necessary to the installation and progression of a revolution, as soon as power is pretty solidly seized, there should be attempts to balkanize as many systems of power as you can onto local actors that have material investment in the conditions. having too much centralized power inherently leads to too much calculation with people's lives and livelihood

obviously you have to keep some vestige of revolution around if only to make sure as many pockets of culture are steered correctly as you can (yeah we don't want the hillbilly death squads), but i feel like accumulation of state power is basically Bad in general

Top City Homo posted:

Killing ceos is trying to solve a systematic problem by targeting “bad” people

Basically what fascists do because the “wrong” people are in power

You gotta abolish capitalists as a class not kill them all

God bkess

Kindest Forums User posted:

how the gently caress does he have 1 million followers

platzapS posted:

how come houses cost money thats dumb as hell

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Cisgendered people giving their pronouns just seems patronizing to me.

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

this is the best critique of orwell that i think i've read: https://www.marxists.org/archive/deutscher/1955/1984.htm

Ardennes posted:

It would probably be 5-10 years behind the current generation, have some capability issues, and a Cyrillic keyboard but generally be fairly familiar tech. The East Germans/Soviets were able to produce a 80286 clone by 1989, 7 years after intel's version came out.

It was just generally an issue of investment, and that COMECON was just economically much weaker than the West and in that context reserve engineering coupled with independent development made more sense.

(Also, Bulgaria had specialized in electronics and computing which was a big jump for a traditionally agricultural country.)

A Big Fuckin Hornet posted:

what i dont get is when the same people who can be skeptical of such monsterizing reporting when its about NK or VZ suddenly lose all that media literacy when it comes to China.

im not even trying to claim to know whats actually going down over there but i just dont see how you can read that AFP story through the dailymail and think "looks fine to me"

gradenko_2000 posted:

Mr. Lobe posted:

the idea that anyone would consider trotsky or trotskyists a serious threat or political target of significance in the 21st century is baffling to me

very cargo cultish

Frog Act posted:

i saw someone on my twitter feed defending that party as a regular fun communist thing and implying that anyone bitching about it is merely a reactionary anti-sex worker Puritan

I just don’t understand how people can be so completely convinced their own personal identity politics are actually A Marxism