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Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Darkman Fanpage posted:

those dastardly commies were having pewdiepie screech into the headphones of our precious brave spies :911:

I'm pretty sure deliberately exposing people to pewd is some kind of war crime.

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Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Typo posted:

there is absolutely no difference in scale

a few hundred rapes and a few million rapes on all the same

What goddamn theatre in WW2 do you think had only a few hundred rapes, bud?

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Typo posted:

which other theater had 2 million rapes in the space of a few month or even come close to that?

closest I can think of is rape of nanking

Answer the question, pal.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Typo posted:

oh look at this loving dude who can't bear to talk about how his glorious red army of socialism liberation is full of rapists

Nah, I'm just wondering whose war crimes you're trying to minimize here.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Typo posted:

ok, cuz I know exactly which ones you are trying to

you're literally the one here who's refusing to own up to what you're talking about buddy

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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doesn't make you look very good when you're running away rather than explaining what you really think

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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I mean, if we're talking scale the germans are estimated to have raped up to ten million women in the USSR alone, in addition to the whole genocide part, but you don't hear much about that for some reason.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Typo posted:

if your point is that the red army and the wehrmacht are roughly in the same ballpark in terms of atrocities then sure

So it was german war crimes that you tried to minimize yesterday. Got it.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Typo posted:

Cerebral Bore is literally the tankie equivalent of the trump supporter at the office today whom when I started talking about roy moore instantly swiches talking about how bill clinton raped paula jones how come we aren't seeing justice for that

Naw, I just think it's p hosed up to imply that the germans only committed a few hundred rapes during the war. Don't really see why you'd sink to that level of rape and nazi apologia.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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If this was the 1940s Typo would be one of the people who dismiss every war crime the nazis committed with the necessity of fighting godless bolshevism.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Typo posted:

nah, not really: stalin could be reasoned with and kept the deals he made, hitler wasn't and that was obvious by the 1940s

lol

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Actually the real problem with Hitler was that he couldn't be trusted to keep his deals.
:goonsay:

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Look at those socialist failures who didn't even manage to rack up half as many kills as the good old British Empire.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Despera posted:

250 million people when there were 1-1.6 billion. Thats a lot of famines in india

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_major_famines_in_India_during_British_rule

p sick to engage in denialism of the horrors of capitalism imo

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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:laffo:

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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give me maoism-third worldism or give me death

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

Aaaand I just got banned from r/communism101 for saying Mikhail Tukhachevsky didn't deserve to get shot.

Tukhachevsky is overrated, the real loss was that they purged Isserson.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Mattyism-Lanyardism.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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a lot to unpack here

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Anarchists are interesting because they both identify the state as an extremely efficient tool of control and coercion and also believe that their stateless commune would win the inevitable war against one. You'd think that the contradiction here would be easy to spot, but no.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Plutonis posted:

Sophie's choice of supporting a communist country or cheering for USA death....

The US should export full communism to the rest of the world and then nuke itself to atone for its sins.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Winter conditions of '41 and '42 being used to disregard the Soviet defense by claiming they were bailed out by the weather doesn't mean what Wehrmacht apologists think it means. Because it also puts the Nazis at fault for failing to plan for that kind of easily predictable material condition.

The German logistics guys literally told the high command that they wouldn't be able to supply the offensive effectively after one month, but the high command decided that Aryan spirit would suffice to propel their armies to a quick victory. Then they managed to run buck wild for about month until the supplies ran out and they had to sit around and wait until the infrastructure caught up with them, then they ran buck wild for another month and again had to sit on their asses, and then they managed to push a little more until the whole thing just ground to a screeching halt.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Lightning Knight posted:

At LeaSt uNdEr faScIsM tHe TrAIns RuN oN TiME

They run fine until you realize that the country you're invading has a different track gauge than the one that you're using. Which is still one of the funniest refutations of the whole hypercompetent German army myth - motherfuckers didn't even bother checking something that obvious.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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gradenko_2000 posted:

what the fucc is this

succ

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Venom Snake posted:

all the original marxists were massive party animals, if you think that having fun/enjoying excess is bad you have more in common with the anti-capitalist protestants who lived at the same time than you do with marx lol

Marx contributed immeasurably to the liberation of mankind by his intellectual work. He also got drunk and rowdy, which is all well and good.

These bourgie fuckos are of absolutely zero use for anything and would absolutely side with reaction rather than give up their privileged-rear end lifestyle.

So if we gonna go back in history you dumbshits who are all "well I don't see nothing wrong here" are literally defending the equivalent of 19th century Russian nobility conspicuously consuming the filthy lucre that they robbed from the people while putting on pseudo-intellectual airs and declaring themselves to actually be the best friends of those they're sucking dry, and if you can't see why this should be absolutely enraging then you're not a leftist period and need to shut the gently caress up ya liberal. Or to borrow the words of a dude who knew his stuff:

Lenin posted:

The intellectual forces of the workers and peasants are
growing and getting stronger in their fight to overthrow the
bourgeoisie and their accomplices, the educated classes, the
lackeys of capital, who consider themselves the brains of the
nation. In fact they are not its brains but its poo poo.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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if u think about it the rich kids that spend their days having performative drug orgies are the true heirs to marx and the vanguard of the revolution

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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as we all know every single lazy-rear end party kid in the 19th century ended up as karl marx, and so shall these young pioneers of our generation

now excuse me, i got a gal with big ole tiddies over here i need to snort some lines from. i do this for the revolution

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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jarofpiss posted:

claiming to be a leftist for social cred so you can go to cocaine orgies seems better than becoming a stockbroker for social cred so you can go to cocaine orgies.

i suppose it might warrant sending them all to the reeducation camps rather than straight to the guillotine

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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fabergay egg posted:

fishmech being perma'd on a technicality is the most appropriate fate possible for her

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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GalacticAcid posted:

side note I had no idea fishmech was a woman

I always thought that fishmech was some escaped AI created by a clandestine CIA program attempting to weaponize pedantry.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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in the memory of fishmech i was going to construct some pedantic-rear end argument about why an ai must necessarily be genderless but then i realized that it would never be as tedious as one from the smartest kid in america so why even bother?

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:

Trotsky was the worlds first something awful poster, bad dick game little annoying egghead goblin whos vendetta against the mods led to repeated exile and then permaban.


:hmmyes:

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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its always funny to see people hold up orwell as someone worth listening to because it's trivial to see that he was dead wrong in all his predictions of the future

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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the ussr objectively went from a burned out peasant country to the second industrial superpower in the span of 30 years while also bearing the brunt of ww2 in the meantime, but do tell me more about how horribly inefficient their economic system was

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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apropos to nothing posted:

yeah its very true that cranks and weirdos will do that stuff and wow do i have some stories i could tell on that front, but i dont think the people arguing against lysenko were cranks and weirdos they were actually the good scientists who understood science and the lysenkoists who had power were the cranks and with their power they arrested and executed the good scientists. and the oppositionists who were expelled and later murdered included the likes of bukharin, trotsky, zinoviev, kamenev, rykov, etc. list goes on and on, basically a lot of the people who led the first ever successful working class revolution in human history. you might disagree with them but they werent cranks and weirdos they were revolutionists who kinda proved their bona fides by navigating some of the most tumultuous political times to have ever existed successfully. so any thoughts they had, even if you think they were wrong, prolly have a bit more weight and grounding to them than whatever the local crank who is perpetually running for state house rep has to say

buddy, trotsky was the poster boy for being a crank and weirdo

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Cpt_Obvious posted:

Counterpoint: all Liberals are masked conservatives.

the point is that modern conservatism is by any reasonable definition a branch of liberalism

what we have to keep in mind here is that liberalism is an ideology that was originally created to provide moral justification for slavery and genocide abroad and mass repression of the working class at home

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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depends on how you define the concept, but in the sense that it's defined here then no, it isn't.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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a very quick look at the map of europe at the time and the most basic knowledge of the principles of military strategy ought to make it clear why france wasn't exactly in a position to have a revolution that could make any lasting gains in '68

unless you think that the soviets should have started world war 3 over france once the inevitable counterrevolution and foreign intervention hit, of course

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

france was the fourth wealthiest nation on earth in 1968, a full on revolution would have completely destabilized the west and capitalism.

yes, which is why the ruling classes in france wouldn't have just given up on france even if there was a successful revolution and neither would the wider western capitalist class, and given that france is literally surrounded by NATO countries there's only one way this poo poo would have ended absent soviet intervention and that's paris commune 2.0.

and as mentioned actual soviet intervention would lead to world war 3, so it's p understandable why nobody wanted to go down that route

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Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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jarofpiss posted:

i think this is a pretty fair take for the nojoe position in normal circumstances but i just got finished listening to the latest two episodes of behind the bastards about "how nice normal people made the holocaust happen" and it did a good job of making me really nervous about where we may be on the timeline toward an explicitly fascist society. the closer we get to the election the more i find myself hoping there is a massive repudiation at the ballot box of trumpism just for the sake of a signal that the american society isn't too far lost to be organized toward socialism. i don't think this has much to do with how i personally feel i should vote or not or whatever, i've kind of made my bed no matter where history heads, but the historical parallels seem so close that it makes me really nervous to try and actively persuade people to not vote for biden or the democrats.

the germans repudiated hitler at the ballot box in 1932 and it took about three months for the nazis to seize power anyway because the centrists hate socialists more than fascists

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