Larry Parrish posted:

gently caress off retard

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Ferrinus posted:

maybe he won't use a slur next time

Ferrinus posted:

i really like this because on one hand you've got the "anti-idpol leftists" basically typing out instagram infographics about identifying toxic people and cutting them out of your life, and on the other hand it turns out that simply nothing is more important than being allowed to Say It, whatever It happens to be in the current context. sorry, fellow communists, but i have to take this one for the team in the name of free speech

Dustcat posted:

ohhh he's using the word! look! he's using it right now! why can't i use the word?!!?!

just look at larry's posting history in this thread, it's funny because he's actually got a few substantive posts in there that contribute to the discussion, but then he can't help but fly into a frothing rage whenever someone posts something he disagrees with, and that ends up being the majority of his posts and he keeps getting probated for posting the word he posts when he goes full berserk lol

Dustcat posted:

what do you think i'm mad at exactly

Varinn posted:

theres a difference between wanting consistency and not wanting the rule. if you think its not being enforced consistently, report and point out when it isnt. saying 'well other people werent punished for it, but that post was" isnt revealing bias, its revealing that mods rely on reports and not word filters, which no one wants

swimsuit posted:

lol remember when the mods got 5 minutes of good will after finally admitting they didnt know poo poo about leftism or geopolitics

Slanderer posted:

suiting up in my flame-retardant batman pajamas before i log in to moderate the forums for the day, only to discover that i am still being constantly flamed. confused, i check the label of my pajamas only to realize that they aren't flame retardant, theyre flame r

Ash Crimson posted:

Can you give me some constructive criticism?

I post in c spam because it's just something to do, like the rest of yous

Ash Crimson posted:

Well first I would have to remove your head from it, do I have permission to do that?

Wouldn't want to inconvenience you and all my friend, as you seem pretty comfortable atm in that position

Ferrinus posted:

it'd be nice if the entire taintrunner fanclub didn't troop into here each and every time this happened but the administrative action required to stop this would probably do more harm than good to the thread

Ferrinus posted:

??? "say slurs" is a euphemism for rape? what?

edit: ohhh right taintrunner. haha that's not actually what i meant at all, i just tried to pick the name of another (once) popular c-spam user out of a hat. i didn't really remember any details about him except that he turned out to be jefferoo in disguise

Varinn posted:

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Ferrinus posted:

i don't read most of this forum, i know taintrunner from his former account in cinema discusso in which he independently reinvented italian futurism. it was really funny.

i want to note here though how funny it is that you're suddenly REALLY aggrieved and upset, just performing the most red-faced, tear-soaked outrage you possibly can in order to muster up the social pressure needed to avoid engaging with the actual substance of a criticism leveled against you, in a basically perfect example of convergent evolution towards the exact liberal "identitarians" you people claim to be rebelling against

Yossarian-22 posted:

ferrinus might have a superiority complex and have a proclivity to voxsplain things but i think it's fair to not want slurs, and i don't think he's engaged in some conspiracy to make everyone think that larry defenders are rapists. again i say this even though i really don't like engaging with him at all

Ferrinus posted:

see? exact same poo poo. you're just reading me the riot act now. ferrinus did a sexism. ferrinus did an imperialism. ferrinus did a no growth. it's not respectable in general but it's ESPECIALLY unconvincing coming from someone who mere pages ago was just hooting and hollering and pounding the table at the idea of calling people slurs

Dustcat posted:

some plague rats has made like three genuinely good posts in their lifetime and has spent much of the rest of their posting career in trying to gently caress poo poo up elsewhere on the forums

Crusty Nutsack posted:

do you ever get tired from being outraged all the time? you are always aggro to people and stirring drama and it seems exhausting tbh


cspammers need to chill out more and enjoy shitposting with each other

Crusty Nutsack posted:

yeah, it can be. you're just extra mad a lot and I hope that's not because you're irl mad all the time

Varinn posted:

listen we have a place for get just ncoherently mad and mean at other posters, thats why god made the glenn thread

Varinn posted:

you think you gotta read a thread to post in it?? rookie mistake

Crusty Nutsack posted:

I don't want cspam to be a hugbox by any means but I do wish there was less threads eating themselves and more regulars supporting regulars

THS posted:

youd be right in most of the threads

Crusty Nutsack posted:

there's a lot of lefties-attacking-each-other

Ardennes posted:

Eh what is the left anyway?

apropos to nothing posted:

and almost this entire page: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=1&threadid=3956800&pagenumber=25&

buncha other examples but point again, as ever, is that larry is someone that the mods and some clique of posters dont like and so he gets in trouble for it while others dont. you can look at my post history itt to see all the times me and larry argued, i disagree with him about most things except video games apparently. but whats so infuriating is recognizing that one person or a group of people gets targeted and punished by the mods cause of some vendettas immediately makes the people in these cliques assume you are in some kind of rival clique rather than someone who just sees how unfair and arbitrary poo poo is and how stifling it is to actual community and discussion. this is literally what caused the poo poo around KM and PPJ last year and me and others (including larry) being called nazis cause we disagreed with the wrong posting clique.

indigi posted:

didn't realize Kevin Durant posted here this is awesome

WhiteGenocideNow posted:

That a bunch of mayos are trying to have a class reductionist culture war and debating the concept of blackness when y'all used to be sharing informational and educational poo poo before you just started going anti mod after the uygur poo poo and started assuming any idpol = liberalism is upsetting to me

Just because cops are reasonably detestable doesn't mean you can conflict the shittiest class traitor occupation in existence to..*checks notes* mods on an sa forum

apropos to nothing posted:

disappointed to find that the likes of PERPETUAL IDIOT and i say swears online unable to give WhiteGenocideNow a comprehensive education in the "better posts arent possible" subforum. guess its true what they say, dont meet your heroes

Thump! posted:

swimsuit posted:

china mieville, fantasy author (bad) and trot (very bad) is writing a follow-up to his reasonable 1917 primer "october" that is named after this much benighted thread "a spectre haunting europe"

it appears to be his musings on the manifesto or something?? wizards?? due 2022

e-dt posted:

ive been reading Bertell Ollman's book Dance of the Dialectic, it is very interesting, and has definitely helped me think about the world in a more consistent and correct way. i recommend it, to everyone.

DirtyRobot posted:

It's just a way of saying that when you look at a "thing" you're always failing to understand the thing because you can't really separate or abstract it out from the larger processes of which it is a part. Dialectics looks at particular thing ⤍ universal ⤍ return to particular thing with new understanding of why that particular thing appears the way it does.

The 3-part movement of thesis ⤍ antithesis ⤍ synthesis is a lovely translation (as Ollman points out at one point, I think) but that movement can be rewritten in a number of ways:

Surface appearance ⤍ hidden essence ⤍ truth behind the surface appearance
Particular ⤍ universal ⤍ new understanding of the particular
Thing ⤍ contradiction* ⤍ new understanding of the thing
Thing ⤍ negation ⤍ negation of the negation (i.e., return to the initial thing)

* The contradiction, even the "internal" contradiction, is a result of a thing existing within a larger structure, process or set of relations etc.

In Capital, the move is to look at the particular thing, the commodity, and say, "Boy howdie this sure is a weird thing that seems to appear to be this, but actually..." and then we move from there to the commodity's relations with a bunch of other stuff (i.e., the universal, or "capitalism") which gives us a new understanding of the particular thing (i.e., the commodity as relations between people, not things). This is why David Harvey, in his lectures, compares Marx's style or structure in volume 1 to the peeling back of an onion almost starting at the centre. It's also why Harvey tells you to pay attention to all the times Marx uses words like "seems" and "appears as," because those are never accidental. The dialectic is about figuring out why those things "seem" or "appear" to be one thing, when actually there's all this other stuff going on when you look at the bigger picture.

I like Ollman's example/explanation of the myth of Cacus that Marx uses, after Martin Luther. Guy steals goats and makes them walk backwards into a cave. If you come and just look at the footprints in isolation, you completely misunderstand what's happening and think the cave is the source of the goats. Likewise, capitalists (or usurers, for Luther) think they are the"source" of value, when it's actually the opposite: they're the ones sucking it all up, like loving vampires.

Anyway, the particular/universal/return to the particular movement idea can be applied to the current discussion:

Ferrinus posted:

in the third place, unionizing makes life better for everyone including, in the long run, the capitalists. it's not bad, obviously, but many of lenin's rivals in the russian workers' movement were precisely those people who thought the economic struggle for higher wages was all the socialist movement needed (as opposed to trained and disciplined "professional revolutionaries", a willingness to treat national, religious, and agrarian issues as having the same importance as factory issues, etc). unfortunately default ideology is bourgeois ideology and in the absence of rigorous political education even militant worker activists with the best of intentions will slide into liberalism

Larry Parrish posted:

it's fun to pwn the ferrinus-types i meet in real life by asking what their specific plan to do something is, because the answer is always posting basically, and not something like trying to unionize their workplace or whatever.

Larry Parrish posted:

he's actually right for once but I meant wordy dipshits who don't know anything besides books they've read, not really him specifically