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Trabisnikof posted:is there a name for people who claim to be marxists but also think capitalism has won and any worker/socialist/communist revolution is impossible to occur ever in the future? I mean this is me on a bad day but I realize the thought is self defeating and don't go around discouraging people with it - that would be loser poo poo Or are you thinking of people who intentionally concern troll like "we both wish socialism could win in America but that's just not possible, so why not go for the second best thing?"
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Did they find evidence for the millions of deaths in China that wasn't one of the 8 people that religious nutter interviewed? I look forward to some clarity on this issue.
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Mar 9, 2021 16:35
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For real it seems super easy to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt. We're talking about millions of people and the entire western world in a concerted effort to prove they exist, so I'm sure solid evidence is coming any day now and we can put this behind us.
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Mar 9, 2021 16:41
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Yeah I don't get how you can express good faith criticism of Zenz and his account without being a denialist by these standards, tbh Is it in the wording? Can we express that the definitive source on the alleged genocide is illegitimate, so long as we don't elaborate further on what that implies about the rest? I'm not a clever man, I need these things explained to me
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Mar 9, 2021 19:31
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A lot of people who don't identify as tankies or Stalinists start identifying as tankies and Stalinists when folks start conflating those things with poo poo like basic media literacy and anti-imperialism
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Mar 9, 2021 21:53
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People don't attribute good things to nazis tho
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Mar 9, 2021 22:29
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smarxist posted:i hate Vaush, i hate "breadtube" and all of the dogshit left grifters it is creating, it's even worse than the podcast griftosphere Breadtube has exhausted its supply of right wing weirdos and they realized during the election that punching left has a suspiciously huge audience on the nominal libertarian left
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Mar 10, 2021 17:16
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Every leftist I know who is not a communist but who is also neither a pervert or a disingenuous weirdo of some kind is actually just a communist embarrassed about China and Stalin Once you stop being self conscious about those things, and even better learn a bit about them outside the lens of western cultural hegemony, it stops being an issue
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Mar 10, 2021 22:44
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yeeep this describes dozens of people I know, and especially vaushite types to a T. A desire to be the most left, most transgressive person in every community you find yourself in inevitably leads to contorting yourself into whatever shape is required of you to call all your peers secret reactionaries. They're blind to their tendency to parrot imperialist propaganda because no one else on the left is saying it, so it must be...true?
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Mar 17, 2021 18:40
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PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:You believe in the "horseshoe theory." No, I believe in certain personalities being completely unable to exist in a space without being contrarians, not that far left = far right. I'm saying these people see someone on the far left and contrive reasons to believe their leftism is actually problematic.
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Mar 17, 2021 19:13
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^ I can get behind that one
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Mar 17, 2021 19:17
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These weirdos have legit done more to radicalize me than any advocacy or rehabilitation of Stalin, Mao, or the CCP ever could
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Mar 25, 2021 00:32
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Pomeroy posted:This is especially great because it's such a simple concept if you understand the Marxist definition of the state. There are whole ideologies who's basic premise and foundational bedrock is just "no, I don't believe you, I think you're lying" in response to this, which makes good faith dialogue with people who believe that totally impossible. Not that the state can't wither away, but that if you express that it inevitably will you're a liar who secretly wants to kill them lol
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Apr 4, 2021 15:24
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Lady Militant posted:i sincerely wish i could go back and punch my middle school self in the head before i opened something awful so i would forever remain a nice lil lib instead of growing up to be a miserable commie. the insight that the entire world exists to grind the poor into dust on behalf of the worst people on earth has made me completely unable to have any positive thoughts about my personal future. Like when people ask me what I want to do when I graduate this summer I just brush the question off because my honest answer is i don't want to practice engineering under a system like this. I don't want to be a part of it, but I'm going to anyway because the alternative is self destruction. If you're receptive to it, it would have found you anyway If you weren't, it never would have. Look at D&D
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Apr 5, 2021 20:49
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THS posted:i dont believe this because it implies some disposition to socialism, or worse a sort of superiority, as if other people just arent able to receive it. it can imply that you didnt just by circumstance stumble onto what i believe is the most accurate way to view the world Sure, I don't disagree. To clarify I'm taking into account the road they took to discovering socialism, I absolutely don't think it's a seed that's planted at conception and then sprouts. D&D people took a different road in life with different challenges, and because of that the things we found convincing, they did not. I don't mean to imply they'll never find that one argument that will convert them. Or regrettably that none of us won't find a way to slide back into complacency. I got the bug in my early 20's reading China Mieville. Went straight from libertarian to socialist off the strength of his argument for safety and social connection being the highest form of personal freedom. Everything since has been slowly putting the puzzle pieces together. Though I admit, a lot of that puzzle got solved in 2020 lol. A whole hell of a lot.
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Apr 5, 2021 22:16
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wtf is up with the Shining Path and their guy currently leading in Peru's election? I basically know nothing on this subject. The violent terrorism thing seems legit (and isn't a huge deal in itself) but is it true they have a firm anti-LGBT and anti-reproductive rights line?
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Apr 12, 2021 18:04
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I do not like the term ultraleft because it sounds cool and makes someone feel and appear to be, say, more to the left than a leftist with grounded, applicable ideas as opposed to idealism. Just call them contrarians, it's what they are
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Apr 22, 2021 22:54
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Here's a thing-- Lenin's last testament reads as fake as hell to me, especially the weird fawning over Trotsky. Is there any proof of its legitimacy?
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Apr 23, 2021 19:38
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Hefty Leftist posted:obsessing over black hammer is the real left unity left unity isn't a thing lol
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May 4, 2021 14:53
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Isn't their stated mission to just cause dumb controversies and pull back to garner sympathy?
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May 6, 2021 19:45
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Does anyone have any good resources on the treatment of anarchists in the USSR, especially the early years, ie Kronstadt and Makhno? I'm trying to brush up and make my interactions with anarchists more informed but for obvious reasons it's hard to find accounts more charitable than "the bolsheviks murdered anarchists by the thousands for purely ideological reasons". I'm not necessarily looking to refute these claims but I would like to educate myself.
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May 10, 2021 19:17
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This guy is a loving freak lol https://twitter.com/calebmaupin/status/1393605207276273673?s=20
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