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Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Terrorist Fistbump posted:

Bernie Panders

own me once shame on you....own me twice.....can't get owned again...

# ¿ Apr 8, 2020 20:14

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# ¿ May 13, 2024 19:40

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

GalacticAcid posted:

https://twitter.com/henrydubbstep/status/1248241822276689920?s=21

magic conch, can I have some dialectical materialism?

# ¿ Apr 9, 2020 18:00

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

T-man posted:

anarchist

lol

# ¿ Apr 10, 2020 00:10

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

# ¿ Apr 14, 2020 00:31

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

NotNut posted:

I guess the forces weren't really that complicated though. left magick is sacred feminine and right magic is sacred masculine so when they're corrupted they became mundane feminine and masculine instead. imo

does that make me non-binary if i'm a death knight, which fights and wears plate armor (masculine) but uses necromancy and blood magic (feminine)

# ¿ Apr 15, 2020 13:54

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

swimsuit posted:

cspams taken a real dive since we allowed homex to self flagellate and pener stopped posting

i miss them, even if both of them called me stupid sometimes

# ¿ Apr 17, 2020 05:23

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Shear Modulus posted:

chomsky needs to stop being so fuckin old. hosed up

it's what anarchism does to you

# ¿ Apr 19, 2020 17:17

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

has anyone asked matt what he thinks the pacific fleet, understaffed and overworked for the better part of two decades now plus just recently plagued with one of it's admirals being unjustly fired would think about orders to go to war with china

# ¿ Apr 19, 2020 23:57

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

GalacticAcid posted:

you don't have to worry, we all know he doesn't have the clap

# ¿ Apr 24, 2020 22:24

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/nachdermas/status/1255479378479403009

this is downright incoherent, has he even READ a single thing marx or engels has written before writing it off completely? what the gently caress

# ¿ Apr 29, 2020 17:31

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

imagine faking this entire goddamn fancy lad persona and then forgetting to read even a single book

# ¿ Apr 29, 2020 17:38

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Raskolnikov38 posted:

but he has more hats and pipes to buy! where would he ever find the time

I don't mind that he's trying to play a character (even though it annoys many ITT) but for gods sake man at least do your homework. The left does need creative/crazy people cause it wouldn't really be the left without it but we can do better.

# ¿ Apr 29, 2020 17:46

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

apropos to nothing posted:

nathan robinson is a much better argument against socialism than anything ive ever heard a reactionary say

i highly doubt he got his wealth through particularly socialist means

# ¿ Apr 29, 2020 19:13

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

GunnerJ posted:

what say you, cspam commie thread

https://twitter.com/guaph/status/1255495040299945988

being against eating meat sounds like a really good way to make people write you off instantly because they will always take it to mean NO BURGERS EVER instead of burgers only 3 times a week

Dreddout posted:

the rate of meat consumption in the first world is ridiculously unhealthy and unsustainable. I also think a civilization that doesn't have slaughterhouses is a noble goal in the same sense that communism is. That being said I don't see how a popular movement can ban meat unilaterally and remain popular.

Realistically phasing out meat completely would be a multi-generational project. I think it's much more likely a socialist government would put in place a rationing of meat to get the consumption rate down to sustainable levels. This is of course assuming we don't find a way to grow vat meat cheaply in the near future.

In any event any transition away from meat eating on an industrial scale is gonna have to take place under socialism. Capitalists couldn't stop factory farming if they wanted too.

My mom grew up on a ranch that had free range cattle out in Colorado. So it's within living memory that we can farm in ways that's not super inhumane and supply meat to people we just can't ensure a constant stream of beef slurry to mcdonalds

Lady Militant fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Apr 29, 2020

# ¿ Apr 29, 2020 21:11

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

gradenko_2000 posted:

rally to restore sanitary conditions

# ¿ Apr 30, 2020 21:17

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

theoretically theirs no reason why you couldn't have a centralized state that coordinates between various independent anarchist factories/communities while maintaining it's own stuff as well. ultimately people kinda just want to do their own thing and stopping that costs a lot more than working with them on it (within reason of course). the central state could do things that individual anarchist/worker owned firms couldn't do themselves like pave roads.

idk what this would be called, socialism with federal characteristics?

# ¿ May 1, 2020 19:46

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

dex_sda posted:

that's kinda how it works in the zapatistas, except there is a crucial component of making sure the central part is not so powerful as to be able to dictate policy unilaterally. a federated bottom-up 'state' is one of the modern anarchist ideas.

Of course, that seems like common sense. Part of what i think I'm trying to get at it is that peoples natural tendency to group based on beliefs combined with the fact there are two distinct schools of thought in leftism that have kinda "stood the test of time" so to speak means that clearly a strategy should be developed to bridge the two? That if for lack of a better term there is a certain symbiotic relationship could be developed between those who love bigly state projects like going to space/building the hoover dam/all that central planning stuff and those who like doing.....whatever anarchists do.

# ¿ May 1, 2020 19:59

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Raskolnikov38 posted:

https://twitter.com/GalloVOA/status/1256330999991959552

LMAO a fertilizer plant is some A+ trolling

# ¿ May 1, 2020 23:27

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Jewel Repetition posted:

Are there really people who think China isn't imperialist

if you we agreed would it change anything about the international dynamics of the USA being a self interested AND self destructive empire while at least the chinese seem significantly less hellbent on wiping out humanity?

# ¿ May 2, 2020 21:23

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Prince Myshkin posted:

It would be called the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

i'm sad i'll never get to see it then

# ¿ May 6, 2020 06:13

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Prince Myshkin posted:

Not with that attitude!

True.

My dad mentioned this to me the other day laughing about it (obviously referring to where iv ended up politically). I think about it a lot.

# ¿ May 6, 2020 08:40

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Atrocious Joe posted:

US Senator Josh Hawley just learned the word imperialism, and he loves saying it all the time now

https://twitter.com/HawleyMO/status/1257635105192980480?s=20
https://twitter.com/HawleyMO/status/1258455785945862144?s=20

they are playing with fire because in a match up between the lame rear end square u.s. democracy with tight haircuts n diet coke and SOVIET IMPERIALISM for how interesting something sounds to zoomers cause its not even close

# ¿ May 7, 2020 20:11

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Kurnugia posted:

imho the fundamental contradiction between the state and revolution is irresolvable in the context of established ideological thought and terminology. and it will only ever be resolved by the praxis of a successful socialist revolutionary state that incorporates both in synthesis

I don't think it's irresolvable at all. Anarchism and statism are two necessary components of a socialist movement. You need the statists to handle all the boring poo poo the vast majority of people do not want to bother themselves with and the anarchists to keep advocating for their local poo poo so you have idea of what that local area needs. It's a huge pain in the rear end to micro-manage things (which nerds don't learn because video games simplify it for them) on big scales so any socialist project of significant scale will by it's very nature need state socialists to organize the big overhead stuff while the anarchists handle the small scale stuff.

# ¿ May 18, 2020 19:58

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Kurnugia posted:

yeah, thats the obvious basis for where to begin, but actually building this synthetic state is something that has never been succesfully achieved so far, for reasons specific to each attempt so far. that 'shining city on a hill' is how anglophones put it?

The capitalists don't seem to let failure stop them, why should we?

# ¿ May 18, 2020 20:49

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Ruzihm posted:

https://twitter.com/carolannjaneee/status/1262079157036433408?s=19

wait there are leftists who think you can't be left and eat meat????

# ¿ May 19, 2020 16:14

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Dreddout posted:

This usually leads to the anarchists getting purged unfortunately

I don't feel like that's an unavoidable fate

# ¿ May 20, 2020 04:57

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

croup coughfield posted:

I don't want to be flippant, but this seems awfully convenient.

The roman empire "fell" and yet I born almost 2000 years after the latest time of death for the empire can still walk in it's halls of marble in Italy. The USSR collapsed 30 years ago and yet what it did still influences our beliefs/actions to this day. No empire rules forever.

# ¿ May 20, 2020 16:38

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

GalacticAcid posted:

the USSR was a super power and could project power through over seas bases far outside its borders. it was an empire. and the way i use the term is neutral/descriptive in this context because i think it's loving stupid to come up with a super special leftist name to classify leftist super powers

# ¿ May 20, 2020 20:26

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Dreddout posted:

That's a really reductive view of empire and imperialism imo. A big part of empire is the simultaneous extraction of resources while preventing the development of internal productive forces. While the ussr did establish client states it's relationship to those clients was far different to a traditional capitalist empire. Rather they were more akin to America's relationship with western europe.

For one, the USSR was mainly concerned with building up productive forces in it's clients in order to make them less dependent on the USSR. A good example is of this is the deal Kruschev made with Castro to trade cuban sugar under market value for soviet heavy machinery. Not out of the goodness of their hearts, but due to the resource disparity between the communist bloc and capitalist bloc. Another notable example being the DDR becoming the 9th largest industrial economy despite having to pay war reparations to the USSR

Quite simply the USSR didn't want it's allies getting overthrown by America but also didn't have the resources to cover the entire communist bloc in kgb agents and tanks. Their solution was the building up their clients states productive development so that they could handle issues themselves. This was part of a longer term strategy of breaking capitalist encirclement by creating a self contained communist community (led by the USSR of course)

You can see the relative successes of this strategy in the continued control of communist parties in southeast Asia and Cuba. Which were the countries that had benefited most from this policy. Whereas the communist states the USSR didn't sufficiently develop productive forces (Africa, Europe, and mongolia) collapsed with the rest of the bloc.

You can call the USSR an ideological hegemon, but no serious historian would call it an empire.

im not a serious historian is the thing. the definition of empire you are using is not the same definition of empire that most people use (which normally just means "big kingdom"). I'm not saying that the USSR was Imperialist or w/e, I'm saying functionally it was an empire even if it didn't fit the definition exactly. Yes the USSR didn't have colonies that it exploited, but that doesn't mean it didn't project power overseas in pursuit of it's interests. Note I don't think that power projection is inherently evil; rather that is a natural occurrence in the modern world where it's easy for us as humans to get around.

edit: but I appreciate the explanation! I just don't think the word "hegemon" is as useful because...well it's not a very common word.

Lady Militant fucked around with this message at 00:03 on May 21, 2020

# ¿ May 21, 2020 00:00

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Atrocious Joe posted:

we live in a capitalist society, and the most common words and understandings are going to be those compatible with capitalism. how we talk has to accessible to workers, but sometime we're going to have to use uncommon vocabulary to describe how things really are.

hegemon and hegemony have definitely been used in obscure academic contexts i admit. college courses love teaching gramsci without really going into how he was a communist.

Very true

# ¿ May 21, 2020 01:57

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

GalacticAcid posted:

I�m having a hard time getting a good read on the general public�s sentiment. I think there�s a lot of �what that cop did was wrong but there�s no reason for the looting and setting fires.�

my msnbc lib parents think the looting and setting fires is just a natural result of unemployment for young people being insanely high and them being stuck in lovely lives. so reality is breaking through despite everything i think

# ¿ Jun 1, 2020 21:54

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Peanut President posted:

a biden victory would obliterate the protests because the small amount of media that's talking about the protests so much would spin around on their heel and tell the protestors to go home as soon as Biden wins. gently caress look at OWS and poo poo when Obama was pres

unemployment was never at 20%+ when OWS was happening; a closer comparison would be the great depression where protests/riots continued under FDR even after he won, and I think everyone here agrees that biden is no FDR lmao

# ¿ Jun 5, 2020 16:26

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

3 posted:

it's baffling to me how many ostensible leftists in this country are still brain-poisoned by the liberal antigun canard, like if you're a leftist in america right now you have a moral obligation to be armed and organized if you're going to be out in the streets

not to be an rear end but i completely understand why specifically leftist groups do not associate themselves openly with community defense and other possible "violent" actions is the government will come down on you like the fist of an angry god because we live in hell

# ¿ Jun 6, 2020 16:48

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

the government doesn't need the excuse of you doing something illegal to destroy your life

# ¿ Jun 6, 2020 16:56

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

it's not the place of the oppressed to appease their oppressors. peoples lives are being ruined by the government daily and people are literally being murdered in the streets by the armed enforcers of that government

Apologies if I'm coming off as pessimistic or glib. I just get sadbrains thinking about goon leftists getting owned trying to do something good for the world

# ¿ Jun 6, 2020 17:10

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Autism Sneaks posted:

CHAZ is the farce to the tragedy of OWS. change my mind

anarchists popping up and doing Anarchist Things is just a material consequence of things getting really bad economically, getting in a tizzy about it is like getting upset at the sun rising or setting

# ¿ Jun 12, 2020 16:28

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Nineball posted:

This has been the core of my confusion lately, because I haven't seen anything that indicates that the CHAZ is in any way actually anarchist outside of the name implying that it is

i think it's just an easy way of categorizing types of action, it's not to condemn or praise. it's not really for me to say how a bunch of lefties on the literal other side of the country in a different city choose how to oppose the boot on their neck currently

# ¿ Jun 12, 2020 16:49

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1273329083364126722

lol

we LOVE to see it folks

# ¿ Jun 17, 2020 20:13

Lady Militant: Apr 8, 2020; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

https://twitter.com/Lwantsahusky/status/1274300912996159489?s=20
https://twitter.com/Lwantsahusky/status/1274301825156554757?s=20

lmao every time

# ¿ Jun 20, 2020 18:30

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# ¿ May 13, 2024 19:40

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gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/Lwantsahusky/status/1274317812899741696?s=19

Oh my god she wasn't even born when the USSR was still the USSR! It's just sharing the loving geography!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PJBqlnKC28

# ¿ Jun 20, 2020 18:34

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