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Lolie posted:I think so, especially about Ruby Ridge. Don't forget about the black liberation movement MOVE in 1985, where the Philadelphia police bombed their commune/headquarters Angela Christine posted:No, you're right. I believe there was an article from The Guardian that claimed he had about 50 foster kids over the span of a decade. I believe that when the children were taken from his ranch, he only had 4, with only one of them being there for as long as a year.
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Lutha Mahtin posted:there are still illegal slaves in america to this day. i don't know lots about the post ACW era but think about how much easier it would be to "hide" people when the country was much more rural, and communication and transportation were so much slower. especially if you have the county sheriff on the payroll, or he's your cousin or something Don't forget that a lot of those plantations ended up being used for sharecropping, with many of the slaves going back to their former masters since they were the ones who owned large tracts of land that suddenly needed work. It even caught a bunch of the poorer white folks as well. Liquid Dinosaur posted:So is that Tarpman being really generous and taking in children without proper homes, a tax scam, weirdness arising from Mormon fecundity, or a child slave labor ring, or some combination of these things? It's probably a combination of all. When they took away his foster children, he and his wife were already justifying it as all the good they did for the state of Nevada by taking in these boys and giving them a good home and discipline. I think a lot of doubting and questioning about this came from the money involved, but you can read between the lines, like 50 kids in 10 years, pulling many from drug rehab (where most are going to be 15-17), and all boys, and see that they probably were using them as free labor.
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theflyingorc posted:I found some of that one, but the original article I read wasn't talking about "Slavery Under Another Name". To some degree, literal slavery still occurred at least for another 40-50 years in small pockets. It's just been years since I read the article and using terms like "america" and "slavery" don't narrow down your search results much. :\ I mentioned sharecropping before, but I remembered another form that popped up, especially in the American South during in the Reconstruction and into the post-war period, and that's chain gangs and convict labor. That poo poo was notorious and it heavily slanted toward imprisoning blacks, as well as poor whites.
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:Would it put you on a watchlist to mail them supplies that are actually helpful and not dildos? I like the idea of legitimately mailing them food, but its all hummus and borscht and other foods they'd be afraid of. Can't do Mexican food because that's been integrated into American culture, also most meats could be cooked in a way they actually like. It's cold enough that sushi could be shipped, right? Then again, Fry's part Japanese, so he might have tapped in to that part of his upbringing.
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:Could slaves be publically owned? Like if a slaveowner went bankrupt or was subject to civil forfeiture, would his slaves wind up government property and get put to work in a public building or something? I don't think so. Usually what would happen in the case of bankruptcy or death of the slaveowner, the slaves would be auctioned out from the estate, which would led to breaking up families of slaves. This is also why you had cases where slaveowner's widows would have sex with a slave to sire a son, since women could not own and/or manage their late husband's property until mid-1800s. The widow would often claim that they or the plantation owner had "Indian princess" blood in their line to explain why there's a dark-skinned scion running or going to be running the plantation. It gets even horrible when the mixed-race plantation owner knew where they were the offspring of a slave or even knew specifically their enslaved parent. Often times, you had them do their hardest to keep the plantation together, because even freeing them would mean they'd fall under the fugitive slave acts and would end up being sold to other slaveowners who didn't have a degree of consanguinity keeping them from abuse.
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InterFaced posted:The funeral was in my neighborhood yesteraday. I speculate that the whole sheriff worship that sovcits and these guys have is largely because they view the office of sheriff being responsive to the people. The office of "sheriff" is largely the only law enforcement position that is democratically-elected, all others are appointed by higher office. In theory, the sheriffs are accountable by the will of the people. Of course, guys like Cliven Bundy think it's the will of all people, not just the ones who reside in the county. It's the reason why these are so important... Jumpingmanjim posted:https://twitter.com/CatMakesCakes/status/695820712855011329 ...because they give the sign that the people of Harney County approved of the arrests and it wasn't just the Feds leaning on the sheriff's department. It also gives the message that the Bundys' and the rest of the occupiers aren't speaking for them. BTW, sheriffs have traditionally also collected taxes and they still do any type of enforcement for county taxation and revenue, such as evictions. If the federal and state governments dissolved, like Cliven Bundy wants, the sheriff's department would essentially replace the IRS and FBI, so their admiration for the office of sheriff would be very short-lived.
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:Trolls shouldn't have boughten them the 55 gallon drum of lube. They could use that as an oil slick to trip up feds if they do wind up needing to storm the building. I'm pretty sure they're using it to fuel fires. Fake edit: Oh poo poo, I just went back over the original post that the Cards Vs. Humanity guy did. He actually sent them water-based lube and not petroleum-based. That's like some top tier trolling. I guess he figured that they might try to use it to fuel a fire and ordered water-based that is loving useless except for personal lube.
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When I went into work today, I expected the four would give themselves up but I never expected Cliven would end up getting busted as well, and for doing something stupid like walking into a FBI trap, too.VikingSkull posted:also someone post the Federal conviction stat Federal conviction is something like 98%, right? I think they're looking a six years, mininum, because of the conspiracy charge. With all vandalism, theft/misuse of government property, federal felony weapons charges that got violated, there's guys who are probably going to spend the rest of their lives in prison.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Internalized racism, probably. Yep. Daddy was a Marine who got some Japanese bar tail and brought her back home. Parallel Paraplegic posted:That's probably why he's so conflicted about the gays and transpeople, because he can't stop looking at trap hentai. I didn't know this. I'm going to call it, Fry's going to become a woman in prison. Not become someone's bitch, but like literally start attempting to transition a la Chelsea Manning.
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LGD posted:they're not necessarily forbidden from voting if they live in a non-lovely state and disenfranchising felons is actually mega-bad There were a few of them that already had prior felony convictions and were prohibited from owning firearms, and, yet, they still got ahold of firearms. It's very likely a judge is going to look at that and recommend they never see the light of day again.
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Ninkobei posted:fools, Cliven has the feds right where he wants them. putting him in prison will only give him access to the world's most deadliest army: hard convicted criminals. once he has a chance to show them the constitution ... TBH, these guys ate probably going to end up in a Supermax prison. They'll be lucky to have any contact with anyone outside a prison guard or administration ever again.
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cheesetriangles posted:I think I would rather go to a supermax than a typical state prison because I'm likely to be treated better. Supermax is just a short step up from solitary confinement. You have a TV that plays religious programming, a shitter and a bed, and escorted to showers and yard exercise but you're under constant observation and isolation from other prisoners. The whole deal is that you're either too violent to be in gen pop or a risk to coordinate and educate other prisoners.
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tardwrangler posted:The sale of all Clivens assets will go some way to paying for this shitshow. No doubt. The Bundys are so hosed that, even if they get a minimum sentence, they will have lost their whole livelihoods. I doubt whoever's left in the family will be able to keep the ranch running for the 4-6 years the bare minimum of charges they could get. I find it funny that the thread's attitude to Fry has changed from " kill the doof  " to "  ". I do hope that a federal prosecutor reminds him that Lavoy and the Bundys treated him like poo poo and planned to betray him, that Fry's now in charge of their fate, and that he can get a good deal by going Fed witness vs. the Bundys and, if he cooperates with improving his mental health with a stay in a sanitarium, he can go into witness protection and get a new life.  I'd bet the Bundy brothers are wishing again that they took him with them in their trucks.
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Angela Christine posted:In a huge surprise move, the tarptastic 4 have pled not-guilty! Welp, I guess they didn't take the plea bargain. Commence Operation: Hammer Down.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Ah word, I was sitting there the whole time like "seems pretty easy to still slit your wrists imho" Well, if you're that bad off, they're going to put you on suicide watch in a featureless room with nothing but you and that smock. The smock also makes things easier to search you, since there's no pockets to hide anything.
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Looks like Cliven Bundy's pretty stupid, too. He is asking to be represented by a court-appointed public defender, but the federal judge lays down an important fact...quote:Nevada rancher Cliven D. Bundy asked for a court-appointed attorney as he made his first appearance Thursday in federal court following his arrest the night before at Portland International Airport. Considering that Ammon Bundy and presumably Ryan Bundy have lawyers while the others have court-appointed attorneys and it's obvious that Cliven has money, it makes me wonder if this is some sort of SovCit bullshit, like they don't believe in lawyers or think about sticking it to The Man for paying , instead of not just having the money or connections to get legal representation. Also, here's Cliven in courtroom sketches...   quote:Courtroom drawing of Cliven Bundy consulting with assistant federal public defender Ruben Iniguez at his first appearance in U.S. District Court in Portland, February 11, 2016. Sketch by Abigail Marble. As well as a counterprotester supporting the Bundys' incarceration.  quote:Scott Phoenix of Newberg brought a sign to the Mark O. Hatfield U.S. Courthouse in Portland, February 11, 2016 where Cliven Bundy is having an arraignment. Kristyna Wentz-Graff/Staff Cliven Bundy's arrest warrant.  quote:If convicted, Bundy faces up to five years in prison on the conspiracy charge, up to 10 years in prison on the obstruction of justice charge, up to 20 years in prison on the assault on a federal law enforcement and interference with commerce by extortion charges and a mandatory minimum consecutive seven years on the use and carry of a firearm in relation to a crime a violence charge. The charges could also bring up to $250,000 per count. So, it looks like Cliven is now looking at anywhere from seven to 62 years in prison and $1,500,000 in penalties, on top of the BLM stuff. Also, to bring up the conversation earlier, the Bundys may still end up in a Supermax prison. I was looking over the former inmates of ADX Florence a.k.a. "Alcatraz of the Rockies", and Ronald Griesacker, the founder of the Republic of Texas secessionist group, served time there because of his militia movement connections even though he went there for charges of mail fraud, bank fraud, and conspiracy to commit counterfeiting.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:You know who else made a point to openly break federal law? Jesus Jesus didn't whine about getting crucified. He knew full well what was going to happen.
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FuhrerHat posted:there is no way what they did should be weighed as heavily as something like murder, cmon The FBI threw an Olympic athlete into a maximum-security prison for five months for the sole crime of lying under oath about performance-enhancing drug use. Her adjoining cellmates were Gerald Ford's failed assassin, a Cuban double-agent within the Pentagon's DIA, and a charming lady who killed a pregnant woman and kidnapped her unborn baby by cutting it out of her body. The point is, if the Feds are going to throw the book at you, they have the option to do it as hard and as fast as they want.
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cumshitter posted:does anyone really think these idiots will learn anything? i bet once they get out they will make a living on some weird militia speaking circuit at freedom fair fun fests or whatever it is they do Nah, they're damaged goods. There's already talk about Pete Santelli and Jon Ritzwhatever being informants that sabotaged the Bundys and the militia movement. For a preview of what post-prison fate might lie in store for any of the Oregon occupiers, google "Ronald Griesacker". He got released in 2004 but Google brings up articles from the '90s, a few from when he was still in prison, but only a forum post from 2012 to 2014 asking the whereabouts of Greisacker. He basically disappeared off the planet, likely because he's poison to the militia types and his activities are closely watched for any type of recidivism by the Feds. Or poo poo, look up whatever Manson family assassin Squeaky Fromme has been doing since she got released in 2009. cumshitter posted:its not like they had jobs before this and one of the dudes at the sanctuary made a job of talking about how muslims suck Yeah, Ritzwhatever had a cushy gig being a hate speech provocateur because the minority he's targeted has been a rather popular target for the last fifteen years.
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tardwrangler posted:Belongs in the Dune thread. I was about to crosspost this to the Star Citizen thread because of the Fourth Stimpire of pain and torture stuff coming out there.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:it's weird how someone can be so against corporations and yet use that as a justification for smaller government I'm real particular on that he brings up fracking and using Corexit to clean up oil spills when that's not the government's doing, that's the fault of petrochemical corporations that the government through agencies like the EPA are trying to regulate. I also love that almost always these large sprawling rants turn out to be advertisements for products that they're shilling, like survival rations, gas masks, or silver nitrate snake oil.
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:He'll figure it out soon enough. That's one of the joys of life in a Supermax: they leave the lights on ALL THE loving TIME and they don't give you a watch or clock so you can never gauge the time. You have to trust the prison authorities to let you what time it is. Cliven Bundy is going to end up like Picard at that end of that episode of Star Trek, where he starts seeing five lights instead of four.
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"Shut the gently caress up, inmate."
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Mr. Nice! posted:The new indictment out of Nevada is not just for Cliven. I believe all of the above were involved in the Bunkerville standoff with the BLM. I know that the "using and carrying a firearm in relation to a crime" and "threatening federal officers" charges showed up on Cliven's indictment because of the guys pointing guns from concrete embankment and behind unarmed civilians at Bundy's ranch. Chickens coming home to roost, finally.
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onemanlan posted:Welp Sandy is the first of Tarp Team 4 to be released. Don't worry, she'll sovcit herself back into a jail cell soon enough.
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Abner Cadaver II posted:"render unto caesar what is caesar's" doesn't seem to be a very popular passage with them They love themselves some Thomas Paine, right up to "Agrarian Justice", where he proposed a minimum basic income funded by taxes on landowners.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Yeah I know you can buy old ones, and Actually, you can't. If you read the 1986 ban, they allow ownership but prohibit the transfer to other civilians. So, once you blow out the barrel on your M60, you're hosed. However... Parallel Paraplegic posted:yeah i know it only banned new ones, and yeah i've seen youtube videos of guys burning through tens of thousands of dollars of minigun ammo in a few seconds. i didn't really want to get into detail because it doesn't really change anything i said, there was still stupid outrage when the machine gun law went into effect, and "you can buy an antique artillery piece or an antique machine gun if you're ultra-wealthy" is kinda beside the point. The stuff you're seeing on Youtube are usually from guys who have FFA dealers/manufacturers licenses (or under supervision of the owner who has one), since one of the things you do if you're trading or making guns is demonstrate them to potential buyers. Class III FFA holders do trade to law enforcement or military contractors, but most people who hold a FFA license only do it to shoot automatic weapons legally. It also costs something like $1000 per year for that privilege.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Then how did Rick from Pawn Stars buy a goddamn cannon I had to look, but if you're talking about the Hotchkiss repeating gun, that exists largely because of the vagaries of BATFE laws. Supposedly, it can be owned and transferred because it doesn't feed or reset it's mechanism through internal operation or an independent motor but through manual operation. That's the difference between the old timey hand-cranked Gatling guns and gas- or recoil-operated machineguns and electrically-cranked miniguns (which, if you see those in most TV programs like Mythbusters, those are on loan from Dillon Aero, a minigun manufacturer). That loophole in BATFE regulations is why monstrosities like this exist... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH2xsQcIUYI If it's the signal cannon, black powder muzzle-loaders have been legal for decades now. It's only when you start buying breech-loaders like what the military uses where you start running into needing BATFE approval. And even there, the shells themselves are often considered "destructive devices" if they contain anything but metal and/or paint, so you start having to have an extra $200 tax stamp added on to each shell you buy.
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Angela Christine posted:How would that get through the Noah choke point? The only people who were supposed to have survived the flood were Noah, his sons, and their wives. Did one of them marry a black? Did Noah get cuckolded? poo poo my post got eaten. Black people are considered sons of Ham, since he was stained by God for the crime of resisting Noah's authority when his father was in a drunken fit, followed with Ham raping and castrating Noah to show him who's the boss. Edit: fixed some phone-posting Young Freud has issued a correction as of 10:33 on Feb 27, 2016 |
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:Also, wow I never knew that in some versions of the story Ham cut off Noah's balls and raped him. But I mean, it was in retaliation for Noah cursing Canaan, Ham's son and Noah's grandson, just because Ham saw his dad's dick because Noah was a drunk piece of poo poo who passed out naked. You got that reversed. Noah cursed Canaan and his family line to eternal servitude because Ham saw his dad's dick when he got drunk off his rear end. It's just whose interpretation of "saw" that's up in the air, since we know that it carries the same weight as the "biblically known", as well as special significance with only Canaan being cursed. Parallel Paraplegic posted:Unlike scientologists, mormons have fought actual shooty wars over this poo poo, so i'm not sure heavily ostracising them and mocking them is such a great idea despite how objectively stupid the whole thing is. Yep, the admission of Utah had to be negotiated because the option of forcing them off the land would have turned into something of a soutwestern Vietnam, where the U.S. Cavalry would endure guerrilla attacks from people who looked exactly like them, which would be very different from the mass reprisals they launched on Native Americans.
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Geostomp posted:I can honestly see that going through his head. He's got more than enough arrogance to have expected to be able to return to his little cult despite the FBI bearing down on him. You can see the same thing happening with Lavoy in his last moments. He knew this was it and was already goading the FBI and the state patrol to shoot him. It makes me wonder what his composure would be like if they didn't kill him and instead got him with the taser or hit him with a couple beanbag and gas rounds. I'd imagine his death wish bravado transforming into a whimper.
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Darkman Fanpage posted:Going for the insanity plea huh? I'm guessing he figures he has no way out of this, so he's going to use it as a soapbox since the trial will be a media spectacle. Of course, that's if there's cameras going to be allowed into the courtroom.
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Kazak_Hstan posted:I kind of doubt they charge elected representatives (even lol-worthy state legislators) who can be portrayed as advocating policy. But gently caress those people. Extremely dangerous. Kazak_Hstan posted:Then again, didn't a bunch of Sinn Fein guys go to jail? Maybe there isn't anything wrong with charging the representatives. Fiore was also at Bundy Ranch 2014 for like a week. After this, the states' rollback attempt on gay marriage through "religious freedom" and the whole Trump shenanigans, I'm starting to think that convicting and imprisoning elected officials for doing active harm to America should be a thing, at least on the state level and below. red19fire posted:Even though I hated them, At some level I had some respect for the fighters and bombers of al qaeda/isis/whoever the gently caress we were fighting in Iraq. At least they had the conviction to do something. When the going got not-even-all-that-tough-by-comparison, most of Vanilla ISIS gave up. I doubt even Tarpman thought he was actually going to die, despite all his bluster on those videos. It was too bad the feds and the state police called his bluff.
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Kazak_Hstan posted:On the topic of loud mouthed pussies: He could be, but I'm thinking the redacted name is probably Sheriff Palmer, just because he's a ranking official and would be somewhat problematic if his name was actually revealed.
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evilweasel posted:That would literally be unconstitutional: That's only for the federal legislative bodies, the House of Congress and the United States Senate. It's up to the states' individual constitutions to use the "speech or debate" exemption and most do, but, if pressed, it's a Supreme Court case then and "Fed trumps State" tends to be the increasing motto of the land. So, fuuuuuuuuuuck state legislatures. I mean, the Fugitive Slave Clause is still under Article IV, Section 2, but we aren't loving bound to follow that now.
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Knight posted:I really did laugh out loud when some visitor who was super sympathetic to the cause was on social media reassuring everyone that the place was super clean and being taken care of, and there were "daily chores." The word was so strange and quaint, and I was puzzled who he was trying to impress. Chores are a list of things parents force their kids to do on an arbitrary basis to show them how to take care of their living spaces because otherwise they'll just stew in filth. Any adult has probably learned to just continually take care of themselves instead of thinking "Well it's Monday, what chores do I have today?" It's funny that they were already thinking this when those videos Fry was leaking out pretty much showed garbage bags of trash everywhere along with the lawn furniture heap palisade. These photos are just more definitive proof. CaptainSarcastic posted:The stuff there in that pic looks kind of like Drum or something else that is flaked to hell and probably crap. Judging by the condition of the cigarettes near by the pile, it looks like they're squeezing out individual Marlboros for some loving reason.
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Mr. Nice! posted:lots of people going to jail. 26 or 27 right now. They also completely destroyed the place and it's going to cost $6million to cover the damages. The Bundys shouldn't have gotten Schwifty.
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