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Ccs posted:Puerto Rico has a ton of Zika now. So I don't think the US has to worry about getting more Zika from Rio. We already have it. I dunno if I would count on that. The World Cup ran perfectly fine, most of the "shambling mess" aspect comes before and after the event (and let's be fair, y'all couldn't give a gently caress about Rio or Brazil after this is all said and done, so for this discussion what matters is the before). I'd bet on the Olympics itself running perfectly fine, maybe people complaining about infrastructure (oh my god they have waste baskets for toilet paper too??), some big news about someone getting mugged in his "third-world hellhole", end of story.
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Cliff Racer posted:You can talk about self-control or whatever but the Olympics is a fuckathon and has been for decades now. Eh, I think it's more about using protection and poo poo, they ain't gonna gently caress bareback besides a pool filled with mosquito larvae. Probably. Maybe some of them would, I don't trust those water polo guys. Regardless, Zika is more of an issue in impoverished, non-urban regions, which I don't think athletes or tourists will be hanging around much. It's also way more concerning during the summer, what with life cycles and all. I dunno (well, I do, but eh) why people got so attached to THIS issue, maybe hopeful thinking that THIS time it's the disease that'll wipe us off Planet Earth once and for all.
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cannot wait for the fuckin' maracanã to sink tbf
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hobbesmaster posted:On the other hand, the world cup was not played in raw sewage. That's the one major fuckup in the organization, I have no idea why they didn't move the competition if the water is THAT bad like every foreign media organization is reporting. However, on the third mutant hand all Brazilians have due to pollution, Zika and having to hold an extra wallet to pay off police officers, it's also one of those things that are much worse for locals than for the event itself. They're reporting the pollution levels are under control where the events will happen and there's a concentrated effort to clean up garbage, so chances are everything is gonna run fine. It's kinda how I see the entire thing, really. Preparing for the events revealed all of our infrastructural issues, and we're gonna have to foot the bill, but if you're expecting a complete shitfest DURING the Games, I don't think you're getting much, unfortunately. Maybe someone will trip during the opening ceremony, or a journalist will get mugged. Hell, I think most Brazilians are also hungry for a blowup, so I'm not even doing this out of "national pride". I just think some poo poo's overblown for its impact on the event itself, even when they're legitimate issues. Might be sounding like Michael Jackson here, but what can I say. I just hope no one explodes anything because the last thing we need is to boost the right-wing conservative semi-legitimate government we have going.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:How do you clean up pollution levels like that, on a rapid (but temporary) basis? Does Brazil have a giant toilet cistern ready to flush all the water away? Beats me, I know poo poo all about water purification systems. What I know is they've been doing some localized cleaning efforts and "ecobarriers" to stop more garbage coming in, they probably stopped any raw sewage flow nearby and according to a big dick water dude, a dry weather spell plus the spot they chose for the event helps in minimizing pollution levels. Apparently all that means the water where the events will be held is passable. It doesn't help the rest of the bay at all, of course, but as I said, the theme here is keeping stuff just good enough so the event runs okay. We won't deal with the rest later.
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Alright, lemme take a couple of steps back to see if I can explain my points better. I think SOME of the narratives are overblown by the media while their impact on the Games is minimal. Zika being the main one, of course. It's a trace-level thing right now and I don't think any Brazilian would rate it in the top 10 issues we're facing right now (don't you guys find it even a bit fascinating that the wild disease line got so much traction in international media, by the way?). Guanabara might be another one if the news about water conditions where the event is happening are legitimate. Now, everything about the preparations for the Games was a fuckin' mess, that's undeniable, and it should be under the scrutiny of international eyes. Hell, it might even do us a favor and reveal to the world how the reason why everything's always delayed and incomplete is because construction firms here get to be the most corrupt entities ever, outside dystopic fiction ones and even then it's arguable. However, I do believe poo poo's gonna run well enough when push comes to shove, so expecting some amazing blowup is a bit too hopeful. We did land on the bare minimum requisites for stuff to work, after all. It's not gonna be fantastic and all the "makeup" Rio got is gonna flake as soon as the last gringo steps out of the city, but I doubt we'll see major problems. I mean, I don't think the fuckin' Maracanã stadium is gonna collapse during the opening ceremony, that's for sure. Elias_Maluco posted:I dont know, perhaps it seems overblow to us because we are just so used to it. Its been slowly getting worst and worst for decades (the pollution, the corruption, the violence, everything) but its hard for us to see, its the normality for us. Nah, we always knew Rio was a trashfire, don't fool yourself on that one. Hell, it might even have improved this last decade in some aspects. You're right that hosting the Games was a terrible idea, though, not because of international scrutiny, but because we all know the song and dance: promise perfect, impossible infrastructure; overprice EVERYTHING during construction, delay it as much as possible; deliver the bare minimum, stuff "pra inglês ver"; let all of the cardboard fall away after they leave and let us foot the bill. We shouldn't have, although I'm pretty sure we will be able to run it, in terms. gently caress, there's some bus stop/roadwork here that is STILL being done when it was supposed to be ready for the World Cup. It was "good enough" two years ago, then they decided to reinforce the roads and well...
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joepinetree posted:The minister of sport for the interim government said that security is outstanding and nothing has happened to people who were out at appropriate times in appropriate places. I'm fine and I was at home, checks out imo.
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Aug 15, 2016 01:36
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To be fair, his quote was more like "we found out that chemistry isn't an exact science", which is more bad levity than ignorance.
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Aug 15, 2016 04:37
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That one is on the IOC, not Brazil. 
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Aug 16, 2016 07:03
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AriadneThread posted:why the hell would you lie about that I don't think he's lying about losing that money or being threatened, but there's something weird about his story.
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I was about to ask you all...escorts, right? It has to be escorts. Also it's hilarious if the fact that they were famous gringos actually comes back to bite them in the rear end because they lied about a crime.
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Aug 18, 2016 02:47
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Oh, dear, Vila Mimosa. Also the Olympics are running pretty much as I expected. The major fuckup was a green pool, I guess? For "the worst Games ever", I'll take it gladly.
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PT6A posted:A German coach died in a traffic accident, although I suppose that could happen anywhere (but where it did happen is a country with a decidedly poo poo road safety record). I mean, if you're pushing THAT on us, then whatever.
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joepinetree posted:Well, there are a ton of problems with the olympics. Green pool and empty stands isn't it, though. The massive debt, the militarization of poor neighborhoods, the security forces going absolutely trigger happy again local populations, etc are. Which is the saddest thing about Rio 2016. We shouldn't have bid for the Games, we are doing passable as is but Brazil will bleed because of it.
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Mirthless posted:literally: Now that you have told us what we needed to to save face, you can go Well, more like "you told us what actually happened, now gently caress off". I have a hard time believing you'd be so indignant if the positions were reversed. Dias fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Aug 18, 2016 |
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Aug 18, 2016 21:46
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Also, it seems like Lochte's behavior was erratic enough that even his teammate didn't consider the use of the gun "excessive force". Also this was private security, not a police officer. Also, Lochte did lie to the police on a statement.
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Aug 18, 2016 22:00
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Koalas March posted:Hmm. If this man was caught lying about a robbery, how can we believe any man who claims to have been robbed? I mean, I believed him, and I believe the GB dude that apparently ACTUALLY got robbed at gunpoint, mostly because I did get mugged at knifepoint coming out of a party once and it's not a super fun experience. But I think we can all agree that in this specific case Lochte was the fuckhead.
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AriadneThread posted:sounds like a new olympic sport, imo And if only America's talent weren't funneled into NBA and NFL, USA would dominate it too.
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Mirthless posted:The more I know about this the less I want to say anything because Ryan Lochte is very clearly a terrible person who lied about something in a specific way to (I'm sure, at least, he thought would) make himself look awesome but holy poo poo PT6A he was still actually, literally robbed at gunpoint There's a bunch of conflcting stories going around but in most of them, it was not literally robbed at gunpoint. They were even saying the money offer came from the Americans, the guards just wanted to hold them until police arrived (which is more than fair) and the guns were pulled because they were getting into their taxis to leave the gas station. gently caress, the videos don't really show much aggressiveness out of the guards.
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Aug 19, 2016 20:56
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Mirthless posted:
They are security guards in Rio, darling, when someone fucks up property and tries to run away you don't get treated with pelica gloves. Anyway, the "not much agressiveness" is because by their accounts he literally raised his gun twice and withdrew it as soon as he realized they weren't a threat. It wasn't a "gunpoint mugging", even in the widest fuckin' interpretation of the stupid sentence. Did you watch the security footage?
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Aug 19, 2016 21:06
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JoelJoel posted:So the private security guard only pointed a loaded gun at the drunk idiots twice before taking their money? If this is what petty drunken vandalism gets you I'd hate to see what happens to someone who steals, gets into a fender bender, or trespasses. The drunken idiots tried to run away, got stopped by a guy with a gun in his hand, then they were told to sit down and wait for the police and a specific drunken idiot refused to comply...and got the gun pointed at him again. Then, on their OWN iniciative, they handed money to the guys so they wouldn't get police involved. Sorry if this wrecks your narrative.
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Mirthless posted:Haha, exactly Dude. The decision to pay the people came FROM THE SWIMMERS, according to ONE OF THE SWIMMERS. They DIDN'T have guns pointed at them all the time, and even ONE OF THE SWIMMERS told them that Lochte was acting erratic enough that the gun wasn't even excessive force.
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you'd rather take the narrative of a guy caught in a lie three times Man, I'm not gonna convince you. Sure, Lochte got mugged by the corrupt police force of Brazil. Go with that one.
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Aug 19, 2016 21:53
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JoelJoel posted:vs the Brazilian government and police Olympic organisers. Truly paragons of virtue and honesty. First, nah, I'm quoting poo poo out of the other swimmers' mouthes AND video evidence. Second, what events, though? You can get a gun pointed at you by police officers in America if you refuse to comply/try to escape. You can try and pay for damages to avoid getting arrested for a misdemeanor too. That's my point, I have no idea how this was "akin to a mugging". I can tell you it's not "normal" if you're not a fuckhead tho, I've somehow went through life without getting mugged by security officers.
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JoelJoel posted:Think you're missing my point. I'm taking what you say at face value. I'm accepting that you have likely reliable sources. Still sounds utterly insane to me. And yes, America is also crazy. Noted. I'll also stay away from the crazy parts of the US. I'm not taking it as a personal attack, man. I'm just baffled at someone saying "this is a literal mugging anyway" despite loads of evidence pointing in the other direction, and I can only assume it's a "lol brazil" thing. gently caress, I live thousands of miles AWAY from Rio anyway, gently caress cariocas and Flamengo and Copacabana. But dude, if "vandals got held up; paid for damages to avoid the police" is such an insane situation for you as an AMERICAN, I dunno what to say. Maybe it's the gun that shocked you, but most official accounts are saying "held at gunpoint" was a vast overstatement.
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edit: actually, you know what? Not even worth the derision.
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drilldo squirt posted:Someone used a gun to keep them from leaving. And then upholstered the gun after realizing the dudes weren't gonna offer any resistance. Then showed it again when one of them refused to stay put until the police came. It wasn't the greatest handling of a criminal situation by a security officer ever, but it wasn't "literally a mugging at gunpoint". They weren't surrendered at gunpoint until they paid cash. Like, this is info out of the SWIMMERS' mouthes, Lochte is the one guy standing by the original story and he's a blithering imbecile by all accounts. Can we agree that the gun was probably unnecessary (security officers here are a bit more on edge than your average mall cop) but there's a chasm between that and Locthe's story being 90% truth? Why are we even discussing this still? Apparently the Paralympics are still a clusterfuck (to the point I haven't heard a word about them in local news).
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rscott posted:You don't pull a gun on someone unless you are willing to shoot them, and if you're willing to shoot someone over some petty property damage that makes you pretty messed up. Being an idiot and a dick is not a capital offense. That's the point everyone is trying to make. And I agree, although I think the customary goon abrasiveness is loving up any attempt at, y'know, having a dialogue, hehe. I think the guard overstepped his boundaries there for sure, but I also think stating it was basically a gunpoint robbery is ignorant at best with the tons of evidence around saying otherwise. Lochte wasn't extorted, and neither were his pals. I can understand the guard using his gun to stop the car considering it's Rio, but sure, that was dumb, I'll give you that. It's still a bit overstated, but it was the wrong position to take. I just got kinda mesmerized by the guy wanting to go with the Lochte angle and probably overargued in favor of the guard, in hindsight.
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I like how we'll come out of this circular discussion with two obvious conclusions: Lochte and his mates are massive idiots and the police force in Brazil isn't exactly tactful. For what it's worth, they were just airing the security officer's version on Globo and according to him the gun pointing happened because they started moving towards them looking pretty pissed. Not that it justifies it or anything, just wanted to add another info to what is already a fuckin' mess of a story.
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Doctor Butts posted:
But enough about South America-USA Cold War relations.
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there are actually people arguing about whether or not some South American country is some messed up backwater while, you know, completely ignoring the fact that it was all set off by a group of Lying American Assholes.
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mrbradlymrmartin posted:think you mean reholstered, unless he was sewing leather directly onto his gun Look, I just saw "holster" on my cellphone and thought "good enough".
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gohmak posted:http://www.nbcolympics.com/news/us-swimmer-gunnar-bentz-tells-his-story-rio-gas-station-incident See, that doesn't entirely match what their "translator" said earlier today on TV or what came out during testimony: the swimmers asked if they could pay for the damage and just leave, the guards said sure, etc, etc. I dunno why the random dude would lie about it either, it's not like HE got paid, he was just a customer that spoke English.
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mrbradlymrmartin posted:an upholstered gun was an awful funny mental picture You're welcome, hehe. I didn't even notice that fuckup until you pointed it out.
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Rip Testes posted:Asking for actual context. Is it usual to pay a fine to a charity? I dunno how the Brasilian legal system works. And is the $11k fine typical for a false statement to the police, public urination and breaking a door? Not directly to a charity, in this context they just decided to transfer the money to it because Olympics and all. About the fine, kinda sorta? I'm not a lawyer, but IIRC fines for misdemeanors in Brazil are calculated weird, the judge calculates a base value, no less than 1/30 of minimum wage and no more than 5 times that, then multiplies it by an X amount of days, no less than 10, nor more than 360. It depends on culpability (for the time period) and financial conditions (for the base value).
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Look, I'm done discussing this because it's going nowhere, you're set on it being a holdup, I think that's a major over-exaggeration, already said my peace on what I think about the guard's reaction, nothing is gonna change, so if you don't mind I'd rather not engage you again on that topic.
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