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Kerning Chameleon posted:Unfortunately, that's a Prisoner's Dilemma since if one big country pulls out (say the US or Russia or whatever), that creates a huge incentive for other nations to stay in since that increases their chances of scooping up medals. The games will not be cancelled, and no one but a very few, small countries will pull out. On the other hand, countries that could host the olympic games on short notice have a huge incentive to threaten to boycott, since that would mean landing the olympic games with relatively little investment. And not to downplay the zika epidemic, but a lot of the fear for the olympics is overblown. The key areas of infection are in northeast Brazil. Latest numbers I saw were that there were two confirmed and 196 possible cases of Zika related microcephaly in the entire state of Rio, a state with 17 million people. You'd still be far more likely to catch a stray bullet than have a baby with microcephaly there.
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Zika concerns for the summer olympics are completely overblown. The following are cases of dengue fever per 100,000 for Rio. Dengue is transmitted by the same mosquito as Zika: The x axis is week of the year. Olympics start at around the 30 week mark. Blue line is mean for past 2 years. At that point in the year, infection rate is less than 2.5 per 100,000. There are hundreds of thousands more cases of dengue than zika, and yet dengue virtually disappears in august, because the mosquito virtually disappears. People are at significantly higher risk of being killed by a stray bullet than catching Zika in august in Rio.
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Cliff Racer posted:We aren't talking Rouseff, we are talking PT. And we aren't even talking normal corruption, though that is obviously bad. The current crises have been exacerbated infinitely by all the Petrobras lies that took place during the Lula years. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about. Oil was never the main Brazilian export, Brazil has virtually always imported more oil than it exported due to Brazilian consumption, and given the quality of Brazilian oil and it's refining capabilities it always imported more expensive oil than it exported. And all the evidence points to the corruption scheme starting long before Lula. joepinetree fucked around with this message at 20:06 on May 15, 2016 |
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fnox posted:I just contracted Zika, admittedly I am in the Northern Hemisphere and closer to the tropics than Rio, but still I don't know how true that statement about the Aedes dying out may be. The pattern of Aedes related infections is pretty stable. Of course the mosquito doesn't completely die out, but the pattern is pretty stable that, specially by August, the number of infections is substantially smaller:  X axis are weeks of the year. Number of cases of Dengue fever on the Y axis. That is for the entire country. For Rio, here's dengue and zika stats:   The olympics will be a shitshow, but not because of zika (more likely to be caused by literal poo poo in the Guanabara bay). joepinetree fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Jun 20, 2016 |
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Of all the reasons to criticize this Olympics, Zika is the silliest. Infection rates are ridiculously low this time of the year in Rio.
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RandomPauI posted:Infection rates because of mosquitoes. But it is also an STD. With a fairly restricted contagious window, at a time when the main vector of transmission virtually disappears. There have been more cases of zika this week in Miami than Rio. And even with the Olympics Miami still will receive more tourists this year than Rio. But don't believe me: http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(16)30842-X/fulltext?rss%3Dyes Again, zika in the Olympics is an overblown panic. There are plenty of things to actually worry about in the Olympics instead of this. But if you really want to worry about zika, there are more people cruising the Caribbean this summer than going to Rio, and right now it's peak zika season there.
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Yinlock posted:An STD with multiple avenues of attack out-breaking in the Bone Zone, next to professional athletes(always known for their self-control), next to no kind of law and order. Perhaps you arent aware of this, but there are other stds than zika, most with longer periods where they are contagious, and yet olympics dont become a breeding ground for stds. Of course, you are also the person talking about Olympic athletes lacking self control, so i dont know how serious you are being.
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Aug 3, 2016 03:49
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Cliff Racer posted:You can talk about self-control or whatever but the Olympics is a fuckathon and has been for decades now. And the one story you can be sure will be written about every olympics is the amount of condoms used. Because, unsurprisingly, people who spend decades eating healthy and exercising full time care enough about their health to use them. Stds existed before zika. So did pregnancies. But somehow this fuckathon hasn't led to the massive outbreaks. But hey, I'm sure the actual experts are wrong. Olympic athletes loving bareback will singlehandedly reignite the epidemic that is at trace levels this time of year.
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Elias_Maluco posted:I dont know, perhaps it seems overblow to us because we are just so used to it. Its been slowly getting worst and worst for decades (the pollution, the corruption, the violence, everything) but its hard for us to see, its the normality for us. If it makes you feel better, I was born and raised in Brazil and I always thought that Rio is an awful, dirty mess, even before I moved to the US.
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The minister of sport for the interim government said that security is outstanding and nothing has happened to people who were out at appropriate times in appropriate places.
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Well, as bad as security in Rio is, turns out that Lochte likely lied about the robbery. The police are claiming that Lochte couldn't provide the time, location, or even color of the cab he was in when the robbery took place. Now, it is very possible that the police would lie about something like this. But what sealed it for me was the video of them arriving at the village in the immediate aftermath of the robbery: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...club-party.html There is no chance in hell that they would take Lochte's money and leave behind not only their cell phones, but the huge rear end watch he was wearing. Between that and him surviving his refusal to lay down against robbers who apparently were fluent in English, that is all bullshit.
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You didn't get the part that I thought was far fetched. being robbed in Rio by fake (or real) police agents- totally beliavable Lochte not reporting it to the police or USOC or IOC for fear of getting into trouble while posting about it in social media - he is such a moron that its believable Lochte not remembering where it happened, when it happened, the color of the cab because he was too drunk - believable Lochte standing up to the robber and even having a back and forth with the rare one fluent in English, and then horsing around minutes after having a gun pointed to his head - less believable, but can be just a matter of embellishing The robbers taking his cash while leaving his (and everyone's) huge rear end watch, wallet, and, more importantly, cell phones - completely, absolutely, 100% unbelievable. Cell phones are by far the number 1 thing robbers go after in Brazil. I've had relatives robbed where the robber didn't even ask for money, just the cell phone. Being robbed is so common in Brazil that most people don't walk around with much cash on them. I have never, ever heard of a robbery in Brazil where the robbers went for cash and not cell phone or watch. Kidnapping someone and forcing them to go to an ATM? Sure. But leaving behind obviously expensive watches and cell phones while taking only cash? Every single Brazilian I know started claiming BS the second they heard that. joepinetree fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Aug 17, 2016 |
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davebo posted:Are the cell phones so popular to steal for the physical phone they can wipe and resell, or is it more for the identity theft possibilities? I imagine if you were the type of person to save your passwords in the phone you could pull a "woopsie" and just drop the phone real hard when going to hand it over to the thief. It's not identity theft. As evobatman mentioned, parts are huge. But there is also a huge black market for the cell phones themselves: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/20/americas/brazil-rio-phone-thefts/ The funny thing is that online comments are awash with Americans claiming that Brazilians don't believe Lochte because they are all socialists trying to protect the image of their country. When what really caused people to distrust the story wasn't the claim that it was fake police or that the IOC was lying, but that he stood up to the robbers and not only got away unharmed, but with his cell phone. A stolen cell phone is more profitable than pretty much anything else there.
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They didn't initially report it to the police. Once it was picked up by the media, they reported it to the USOC and were then interviewed by the police, where they did in fact confirm the robbery. It doesn't matter if you are not the one to first contact the police about something.
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Well, there are a ton of problems with the olympics. Green pool and empty stands isn't it, though. The massive debt, the militarization of poor neighborhoods, the security forces going absolutely trigger happy again local populations, etc are.
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Mirthless posted:??? I am finding the endless making of excuses the funniest part in all of this. "Well, you see, he trashed a place in front of the security guard and tried to run away. Then the security guard held them and called the police, but allowed them to leave after they paid the damages. It's totally like a robbery." And yeah, he lied to the cops.
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According to the New York Times, after the first reports of the robbery became public on Sunday, state department officials and the USOC met with the swimmers and they all agreed that they should avoid attracting more attention and let the USOC handle things via a statement. Immediately after that, Lochte went to the beach and gave NBC that first interview.
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Mirthless posted:Ouch It runs in the family. If you want to lose some IQ points, you should see his sister's famous interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NXv3gMVeEc
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blowfish posted:In civilised society mall cops have the authority to stand their fat rear end in your way while swearing at you for shoplifting or breaking a door or something. It's the actual cops that point guns at you (in moderately civilised countries) or just go and arrest you without involving guns (in fully civilised countries). Mirthless posted:He probably didn't have a gun pushed against his head, though considering he was drunk and being menaced by two dudes with firearms I can't say I blame him for having a poor memory I think that the word "privilege" gets bandied about too freely these days. But thinking that security guards won't pull guns on you for petty reasons in the US (or that they will be arrested if they do so) is a great example of privilege. 5 minutes on google and there are several examples of security guards firing warning shots and occasionally even killing unarmed people without losing their jobs, much less being charged. http://kutv.com/news/local/state-takes-no-disciplinary-action-after-security-fires-shot-into-ceiling http://wreg.com/2015/09/13/police-respond-to-shooting-at-soccer-field/ http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2...tch-his-camera/ http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/security-guard-wont-face-charges-in-deadly-shooting-at-detroit-apartments http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/19/mckenzie-cochran-northland-mall-died_n_5849348.html And even the third version made publicly available of what happened by the swimmers, carefully worded through a press release, still paints Lochte as an aggressive rear end in a top hat who kept shouting in the security guards face and trying to confront him despite being told to sit down. At the end of the day, people can believe whatever the gently caress they want. Doesn't change the fact that the version that Lochte told NBC initially, and the version that Lochte told Rio police, are both different from the current version. joepinetree fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Aug 20, 2016 |
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tsa posted:You think it's an exaggeration because getting robbed at gunpoint is a part of daily life where you live. This is getting stupid. Among the things lochte lied about, he claimed that his wallet and $400 were stolen from him. He said it in the interview and he said it to the police. No matter how much you want to trust this latest account as the true one (and a reminder that this version is the fifth or sixth version, was written with a PR department, and was done after the video was public, so that it could be adjusted to fit it), lochte did not have his wallet or 400 bucks taken. So go ahead and believe that sheltered Americans "felt" they were being robbed. Go ahead and believe that lochte honestly misremembered things due to trauma. He still lied to the press and the police about what was taken. Or are you going to come up with a scenario about how lochte could have thought he had his wallet and 400 taken despite still having them with him? Brazilian ESPN got access to Feigen's original deposition. He claimed he was sleeping on the back seat when the cab was pulled over, and even worked with a sketch artist to describe the robber, who he described as athletic and wearing a black jacket. In the second deposition he claimed that lochte decided to make the whole thing up for attention. So whatever you believe about the security guard, they clearly lied about things. joepinetree fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Aug 20, 2016 |
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gohmak posted:So the police lied about the bathroom being vandalized and they commited no crime peeing on the side of the building and tearing down a sign. But they got shaken down for 50 bucks by security anyway. That is the new spin the US media is trying to put on it, but it is only partly true. There is indeed no evidence of bathroom damage. But the swimmers did destroy a promotional billboard. Also, there are two different versions out there. The guy who translated for the swimmers claims that it was the swimmers who offered to pay to avoid having the police called (this is backed up by the police logs showing a call made by the gast station at the time). The swimmers claim it was the security guards who demanded payment. Impossible to know who is telling the truth, though it is important to note that the translator hasn't changed his story, while the swimmers have. Finally, the thing these new reports by USA today and Yahoo that have come out do not talk about is what the swimmers told the police. Lochte's initial account to the police was pretty much the same version he told NBC initially, including claiming that they took his wallet and $400. Feigen's was that he was asleep in the back of the cab when they were pulled over. He then proceeded to give a false description of a robber (who he claimed was tall, muscular, brown skinned and had a military hairstyle). So yeah, it seems the police might have exaggerated the amount of damage done by the swimmers. And, unsurprisingly, the version the swimmers told after the videos came out match the parts of it that can be seen on video. After that, it is a he said/they said between the witnesses with regards to who brought up money first. But the one thing that is not disputed in any way is that Lochte and Feigen lied to the police, both about what was taken and who took it. Since the videos don't show the actual negotiation, it is impossible to know who brought up money, and unsurprisingly Americans distrust the witness who claims that the swimmers brought it up, while Brazilians distrust the swimmers.
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mobby_6kl posted:The Olympics are over but the athletes are still suffering Too bad Brazil couldn't figure out the whole "being a developing country" thing for the convenience of the athletes. Not trying to make light of the situation. But I don't see how "a country's olympic committee can't afford to go home and they can only afford lodging in the bad part of town" is anyone's fault but that country's olympic committee.
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