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Well it is the OP we deserved. All is poo poo. It is likely to get worse. The LNP have already started leaking their talking points in advance so they can get extra coverage It's like watching a depth charge go off in a sewerage farm in high def. slow mo. My only solace is the right can't seem to help picking at their own scabs. So we get to watch all the right wing commentariat rip Clive Palmer a new one while the 'hard right' take increasingly exasperated hay makers at Turdball and Co. Parliament returns today with the only slight light on the horizon being the vague possibility the ABCC legislation gets broadened to a full blown federal corruption watchdog. Which won't happen over a huge pile of ALP LNP dead bodies but that image is at least satisfying. Oh and business confidence is once again in the shitter!
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# ¿ Feb 1, 2016 23:55 |
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# ¿ May 14, 2024 20:16 |
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Thread shouldn't loving exist.
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# ¿ Feb 2, 2016 04:06 |
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How many lives at sea equals how many kiddie rapes? I think the maths here may have gotten a little bit confused. If anyone has the time a commentary on the text of the ruling would be awesome.
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# ¿ Feb 3, 2016 01:16 |
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It's poop touching the poop all the way down at this point. Except for Pavel.
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# ¿ Feb 3, 2016 03:33 |
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xPanda posted:There was a front page article on one of the main papers this morning quoting Paul Keating saying that the GST shouldn't be raised, not because it would be unfair and an idiotic step back towards the 19th century, but because it would encourage reckless spending.
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# ¿ Feb 3, 2016 04:19 |
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As soon as possible = Upon their death.
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# ¿ Feb 3, 2016 09:43 |
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Oh Australia is deeply in the shitter at this point. With the Centerlink facebook fraud detection it will be interesting what happens if and when the cases go before the courts because unless Centerlink has other sources of information it ascribes a legal status to setting a facebook status. What if I did it for the lols? What if I set up a dummy facebook account with the correct names of other people and then doxxed someone? It's a very deep dark hole. That QUT Arsetralian beat up? Has very strong resonances of the kerfuffle that having wymen's rooms on campuses in the nineties provoked. But why am I excluded just because I'm a man!? Now we see who the real sexists are! Most people can see beyond this level of stupidity before they leave primary school. The high court judge who desented in the "Let's rape kiddies on Nauru" case was a woman! That's why you can't let them into positions of authority! When the going gets tough they buckle to their hormones and crumble when men stay hard. Lucky there were some clear thinking men around to keep things on the straight and narrow.
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# ¿ Feb 4, 2016 00:21 |
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I was aware of that but in my entirely disingenuous fake posting didn't feel a need to conform to any standards of journalistic integrity. Seeing as you have made it an issue allow me to recast my post.Cartoon posted:The high court judge who desented in the "Let's rape kiddies on Nauru" case was a woman! That's why you can't let them into positions of authority! When the going gets tough they buckle to their hormones and crumble when men stay hard. Lucky there were some clear thinking men around to keep things on the straight and narrow. At least the other two women on the panel did what they were told, or maybe they were just confused and hormonal? Really makes you think about what a crap shoot having them there in the first place is!
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# ¿ Feb 4, 2016 01:34 |
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Birdstrike posted:you're alright cartoon, I'm just having a larf http://www.theguardian.com/australi...rn-in-your-area You need to click this one but it's about income disparity.
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# ¿ Feb 4, 2016 02:06 |
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What if they are just after a fresh source of kiddies?
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# ¿ Feb 4, 2016 03:28 |
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gently caress when this first came up I likened it to the wymen's room kerfuffles of the nineties thinking that this adequately made the point. So for the hard of thinking: Does disadvantage exist? Y/N If N then you clearly are onto something. If Y then this means it is entirely appropriate for extra 'things' to be available to the disadvantaged in society. If you are not a member of the disadvantaged group then you look like a complete weenie when you petulantly spout 'Not fair what about me?' More to the point YOU are the person blowing up the 'segregation' issue. This was a complete non-issue until some self entitled dick swingers decided to make it a personal crusade. It was mentioned in this thread that the particular computer labs are not in a high traffic area of the campus and it is reasonable to conclude it was an agent provocator type incident. The irony of one of the men involved posting “more retarded than a women’s collective” more or less sealed their fate (at least in my eyes). -/- In that article about tightening immigration law due to TEARA am I the only one thinking, 'If we are so concerned about security why aren't we doing something to plug the security holes that allow "Marked "protected", "sensitive" and "cabinet", the document is believed to contain recommendations for Mr Dutton to present to Cabinet's National Security Committee." That's straight up treason right there. If something is PROTECTED CABINET-IN-CONFIDENCE it is due around the level of custody as SECRET. Given the document refers to the proceedings of the National Security Committee it is more correctly equivalent to TOP SECRET. These documents are excluded from public access for twenty years regardless of any other classifications (was thirty till recently). This is serious poo poo and it isn't the first time since the NTATA - Turdball clown car crashed into parliament house. In a proper system you'd expect zealous investigation and prosecutions....
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# ¿ Feb 5, 2016 01:28 |
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ColtMcAsskick posted:Granted cartoon but is it okay that they have to pony up $5000 just to avoid being sued for having an opinion which, as far as I can tell, isn't racist? (Apart from the obvious one)
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# ¿ Feb 5, 2016 02:00 |
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I saw a sticker on the back of a car this morning - "Fit in or gently caress off". It was in the shape of Australia and was the Australian flag as a background. We are making progress!
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# ¿ Feb 5, 2016 11:07 |
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Birb Katter posted:Was the driver fit though? Be sad if the wanted others to be fit but just drove between work and maçcas
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# ¿ Feb 5, 2016 11:10 |
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Anecdote != Data but, I worked in nightclubs in Europe. The biggest problem drinkers were not: The English (They came in 2nd), The Scots, The Germans, The Italians, The Danes, The Australians (4th or so but a very small sample.) The Swedes (3rd) or the Norwegians. It was the Finns. They definitely have a "get pissed punch someone" thing going on especially in a mixed culture setting (It was usually the Swedes they wanted to punch). I've been reading a book going by the name "Black Australians - A survey of native policy in Western Australia, 1829-1897" by Paul Hsluck. It was published in 1942. The similarities between current policy positions and those of the 1890s are both compelling and utterly depressing. Pages 204 and 205 posted:]there was little in the attitude of the invaders that was likely to modify the harshness of the meeting or to assist the native in the process of adapting himself to new conditions, while there was much to hinder that adaptation. ..No particular system was tried long enough or thoroughly enough to justify anyone in saying that such-and-such a method was good or bad. White man's burden shrugged off. starkebn posted:We come from the British, the most violent culture in history
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# ¿ Feb 6, 2016 00:43 |
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-02/deputy-coroner-wants-rock-fisherman-life-jacket-laws/6590418 quote:Life jackets required for rock fishermen in bid to reduce deaths, NSW coroner says By Jayne Margetts Posted 2 Jul 2015, 4:48pm The article is old but it is once again current in the news in NSW.
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# ¿ Feb 7, 2016 04:15 |
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Once again I remind people that outsourcing enforcement (even at the investigation phase)is a terrible idea in principle. There are privacy concerns, tout law concerns and ultimately people sworn to uphold the law are allowed and encouraged to use discretion at the coal face. If you are being paid for piece work then you have a vested interest in keeping the numbers up. Bailiffs and sheriffs have historically come into regular confrontations with police due to them (Bailiffs) over reaching their allowed authority and it continues to this day. Extending the scope of these stupidities isn't progress. Even if it was all covered by the right of access to due process via the courts (which it generally isn't) the power disparity between a firm of hired thugs and an individual is too large. gently caress all of this in principle and shame on the government for introducing under the banner of reducing Welfare Fraud. And a quick reminder of why the ATO doesn't go after multinationals evading millions. The multinationals are prepared to spend at least what they owe in taxes on hiring lawyers and accountants to enable their evasion. To attempt to match this is obviously not a viable strategy for the ATO especially as all the associated costs to the business are a tax deduction. Better to go after a couple of million people over claiming on Monte Carlos.
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# ¿ Feb 7, 2016 05:46 |
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I'd like to point out that one of the benefits of paying people a liveable amount of welfare is it promotes people doing art related activities and reduces crime. I'm not sure the people most fervently advocating welfare crackdowns and cuts really want to live in the world that this will create. They may believe that somehow they won't be effected because they are deserving and will be living in the gated communities with their millionaire overlords.ScreamingLlama posted:(I'm not saying they found the best way to go about combating the fraud, either, but I'd like to see you do better.) I have actually been involved in combating welfare fraud. It was mainly deadbeat Dad's evading child support payments. Just what key areas of my performance were substandard? Every revenue (spending or collecting) agency has thresholds that have to be reached before serious enforcement action is commenced. Even in the case of someone defrauding the Commonwealth of $400,000. dollars (your SMH link). The cost of prosecution against recovery (if it was ever possible) would far overbalance the financial benefit. These cases are done to show the average client that the organisation is serious about fraud once it is detected. Suggesting that a crack down is a revenue positive measure is amazingly short sighted. There are the costs of detection, investigation, prosecution and recovery. Even in the case in the SMH the financial consequences of doing nothing were probably better on the balance sheet than the prosecution and cessation of payments. This has become like the Airport security theatre. It plays well to the mob and actually does gently caress all. There's plenty wrong with welfare fraud but I haven't heard anything about it from the LNP that makes me think they give a poo poo either. ScreamingLlama posted:ITT people who think there's nothing wrong with welfare fraud
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# ¿ Feb 7, 2016 07:50 |
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ScreamingLlama posted:You lot seem to be operating on the assumption that I think underpaying people on welfare is a good thing. I think it's a very bad thing. But that's not the issue at hand. The issue at hand is whether it's appropriate for the Gestapo to spy on social media and watch people in public to catch fraudsters and I think that it is.
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# ¿ Feb 7, 2016 08:16 |
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Laserface posted:So we should just bail out every fuckwit who gets in over their head? why dont we help gamblers, drug addicts, and criminals? bowmore posted:I'd prefer they go after the corporations that pay no tax rather than the welfare cheats I wouldn't take too much comfort in Turdball almost ruling out a GST. This is all wind testing in the lead up to the election.
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# ¿ Feb 8, 2016 00:42 |
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A sub-human piece of filth posted:'This is not an easy issue to manage, but it has to managed with a very cool head and a very big heart,' he told reporters in Canberra. A sub-human piece of filth posted:'If we give those people smugglers any marketing opportunity, let me tell you they will use it and there will be more deaths at sea, more children put at risk.' Lives that were never put at risk in returning the 23 was it, boats? Oh wait a bunch of people died, in a big hearted kind of a way. gently caress You Michael, gently caress You.
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# ¿ Feb 8, 2016 09:35 |
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Sorry guys it isn't cool to use anyone's disability as an argument against them. Please stop. Even if the person has explicitly used their disability as a bargaining chip. There are so many other ways to show how hosed up what SL is advocating that it really only makes the disability argument look like a dog act. Points not including disability 1/ The fraud is a tiny part of government revenue (Not the 'billions' claimed without citation by SL). 2/ Detecting the fraud costs a significant amount. 3/ Prosecuting the fraud definitely costs more than the amount potentially saved ( That's not why there are prosecutions). 4/ In many cases 'fraud' is a result of the Byzantine processes in place to discourage valid applicants. 5/ When the benefits are so pitiful it leaves people in financial hardship despite their best efforts a little 'massaging' or the facts is inevitable (See also petty crime in Dickensian Britain). There are more but until SL addresses the above and justifies their stance of: ScreamingLlama posted:(I'm not saying they found the best way to go about combating the fraud, either, but I'd like to see you do better.) -/- Want to choose the worst* person possible? Of course you did! http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...131-gmhyfe.html quote:Kate Carnell quits business lobby to become first small business ombudsman February 1, 2016 James Massola I have a strong suspicion that this is going to be another barracking spot for the neo-cons rather than any sort of a small business 'support' role. I hope to be greatly disappointed. -/- http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-09/closing-the-gap-doomed-to-fail-without-more-indigenous-input/7149442 quote:Closing the Gap 'doomed to fail' without more Indigenous input, activist Patrick Dodson says By the National Reporting Team's Natasha Robinson Updated about an hour ago Book published in 1942 about WA in the 19th Century posted:]there was little in the attitude of the invaders that was likely to modify the harshness of the meeting or to assist the native in the process of adapting himself to new conditions, while there was much to hinder that adaptation. ..No particular system was tried long enough or thoroughly enough to justify anyone in saying that such-and-such a method was good or bad. *Worst woman? I think it's great the position has gone to someone who isn't a suit but KC is a total piece of human garbage who can be paid to say anything.
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# ¿ Feb 9, 2016 00:41 |
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katlington posted:Jesus loving christ ian mcdonald at the senate legislation committee. SHY called him a joke lmao.
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# ¿ Feb 9, 2016 03:30 |
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UrbanLabyrinth posted:Doesn't an ombudsman usually act as an advocate against that industry (e.g TIO, FOS, Commonwealth Ombudsman) rather than advocating for that group? quote:AUSTRALIAN SMALL BUSINESS AND FAMILY ENTERPRISE OMBUDSMAN Unfortunately the position is, as I suspected, there to provide a shill for the neocon penalty rates/IR agenda and that amply explains Kate Carnell getting the job. Nice to see the government funding a position specifically to promote their agenda.
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# ¿ Feb 9, 2016 05:07 |
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There's a reasonably strong case to support that the big boom in English cultural achievements in the late fifties and sixties was due to welfare funding and the art school system. Not exactly ABI, but a similar economic circumstance. http://fineart.ac.uk/collection/html/stroud.html http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2011/apr/10/art-schools-funding
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# ¿ Feb 10, 2016 00:40 |
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Last I checked this was supposed to be about Australian politics (as hideous as that is) and not about giving other posters poo poo. If you have compelling arguments about an issue make them for the benefit of all. 'Ha ha you suck' or 'nanana I was right' are utterly pointless. tl;dr Gas thread, Ban everybody.
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# ¿ Feb 10, 2016 08:15 |
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hooman posted:Piss from within.
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# ¿ Feb 10, 2016 08:50 |
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Frankly posted:actually it comes from a dumb Lano & Woodley joke that stuck with me. http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/fact-sheets/myths-about-refugees/detailed-mythbuster/ (eg) quote:Even for refugees who are in need of resettlement, there is no orderly resettlement “queue” to join. In reality, the resettlement system works more like a lottery than a queue. Very few resettlement places are available globally and, while UNHCR aims to prioritise those in greatest need, most refugees – even people in very vulnerable situations – cannot realistically expect to be resettled in the near future, if ever. Many refugees lack access to UNHCR’s resettlement processes altogether and simply do not have resettlement available to them as an option. It is unreasonable to expect refugees to remain indefinitely in situations of danger and insecurity, or to penalise them for seeking their own solutions, when the international community fails in its responsibility to provide effective protection. Australia doesn't have a visa issuing office in many places that are the source of refugees so in for instance Iraq you can't apply for resettlement at the Australian Embassy/Consulate. It's lies and disinformation all the way down. Hardly surprising when the ABC mixes up a few facts about child rapes. The five year old was only sexually assaulted there was no actual penetration
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# ¿ Feb 11, 2016 01:12 |
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Don't worry he's only deputy leader (Chancellor) there is no way Malformed Turdball (Hindenberg) will ever let him have real power.
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# ¿ Feb 11, 2016 02:28 |
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Lowtax should put me on commission.
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# ¿ Feb 11, 2016 05:56 |
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Should I have turned down the gig writing speeches for Fiona Nash? I thought this came out pretty good. She's a stand-up comedian right? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-11/barnaby-joyce-named-as-new-nationals-leader/7161584 quote:Senator Fiona Nash has been elected as deputy leader of the Nationals. "Within the next few years we will continue to build on the exceptional work that has been done by the most recent giant of our party, Warren Truss," Mr Joyce said. -/- Can anyone nail this down for me? http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...c3604d470f01ee3 Claims advice was given as a joke. Driver denies receiving advice. It's all a big pile of steaming caca at this point http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-30/icac-probe-into-top-prosecutor-witness-coaching-claims/5853554 Cunneen outright denies the allegations and claims malicious prosecution. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-11/icac-chief-slams-report-against-margaret-cunneen-probe-as-flawed/7158560 Juridiction of ICAC questioned and the High Court rules it out of bounds leading to a report from Inspector David Levine claiming that it was a low point in the "ICAC's history" http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-04/icac-inspector-scathing-of-watchdog%27s-actions/7001490 Now the head of the ICAC has struck back and seems to be winning. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-11/icac-chief-slams-report-against-margaret-cunneen-probe-as-flawed/7158560 There are clearly political machinations involved. Anyone know a good reputable source that has done the hard yards? On the face of it this would appear to be clearly within the intended remit of the ICAC even if the legislation is questionable. Cunneen seems to be guilty as gently caress and her subsequent perjury (or is it just lying) should result in some consequences. Who deems it worth the candle to protect her? The subsequent bruhaha constitutes an attack on the ICAC itself which would be fair enough if there has been an abuse of power but it seems more and more to look like a deliberate hatchet job. All fascinating stuff and anything that gets Ray Hadley to say "Those stout hard working members of the judiciary" rather than "They should just sack all of these out of touch judges." is worth it regardless of the actual facts.
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# ¿ Feb 12, 2016 00:50 |
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SKY COQ posted:Got him, yes http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-12/stuart-robert-to-resign-fom-ministry-abc-understands/7163226 quote:Stuart Robert to resign from Turnbull ministry following probe into China trip By political correspondent Anna Henderson Updated 13 minutes ago
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# ¿ Feb 12, 2016 03:23 |
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Barnaby Joyce doesn't understand simple poo poo. Press Gallery don't look up from their Twitter feeds.
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# ¿ Feb 12, 2016 05:13 |
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Zenithe posted:Oh yeah, QLD Whooping Cough rates are like five times above last year.
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# ¿ Feb 12, 2016 09:52 |
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So are we officially back to muppet government now or do we have to wait till after the latest cabinet reshuffle kerfuffle? Asking for a friend.
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# ¿ Feb 13, 2016 00:29 |
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Anidav posted:Isn't all these resignations exactly what Turdball wants? A reshuffle with a bunch of small L no names so he can sail into an election without a face the public can hate? Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce. This is the man who puts the gently caress into fuckup. He's only been in the job a day and he's already dropped a clanger. He has a huge track record of saying stupid poo poo and it looks like there are some other Nats on their way into the cabinet clown car. Turdball also has to stand in the mess that is ~his~ NBN implementation. That all spells a recipe for Red Nose day to me.
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# ¿ Feb 13, 2016 01:29 |
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Skellybones posted:This government will stay in as long as Howard did
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# ¿ Feb 13, 2016 04:46 |
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Found this: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-13/turnbull-cabinet-reshuffle-who-is-going-where/7163334 It's interactive so I can't really quote it. Notable is Luke Hartsuyker. He was even touted as a likely Nationals leadership candidate. There's something more to this that I haven't seen anywhere. I like this quote about the reshuffle: quote:Federal Cabinet is getting dumber with each reshuffle. Those promoted today weren’t good enough 6 months ago. They were only promoted because Minister’s stuffed up or bailed out. So many have training wheels (Ciobo has Robb, even Joyce has Nash to help him bite his tongue, and she has training wheels herself). Turnbull is great at spinning this as rejuvination, but it’s just desperation. And the team probably won’t last to the election. For starters, Pyne and Roy are also under investigation by the AFP along with Brough. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-14/scott-morrison-criticises-labors-negative-gearing-plan/7166670 I mentioned sometime back that Morrison wasn't a great fit for Treasurer because (unlike his previous portfolio) you couldn't act as a valve for information. In treasury the rest of the world knows the figures often before the Treasurer does. This is a classic case of Morrison missing the entire point and proudly doubling down: quote:Scott Morrison says Labor's plan to scrap negative gearing will raise 'very little' revenue By political reporter Matthew Doran Updated about an hour ago The guy is a dumb baboon in a suit and his elevation to Treasurer is making this clearer every day.
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# ¿ Feb 14, 2016 05:04 |
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BBJoey posted:so is there any source for his $600 million claim or is he literally just making poo poo up and getting away with it Perhaps to explain why Morrison is insane and this a good Labor policy> Debt and Deficit are different things. At ~0% interest it is actually very sound for governments to borrow money. Maybe what the country should be asking Scotty is why he can't fund government debt more cheaply. That's definitely his job. Can't blame Labor for that. Debt can be used to make your government policies (long term) succeed. Deficit is where you aren't bringing in as much as you are spending. Structural deficit is where you have made long term policy decisions that lock in the deficit for future years. This is what JWH did in spades. He took one off windfall revenue gains (and this is the cringeworthy part ->) with huge unprecedented long term revenue negative asset sales to cut taxes to the well off. The LNP have decided that this is clever economics And ala Britain, Greece, The USA have committed themselves to not only continue the tax cuts but to 'fix' the deficit by further (revenue negative) asset sales and savage cuts to everything. Neo-con government fundamentally questions the point to any government existing and sets about dismantling the bits that aren't directly lining the pockets of the wealthy. TheMightyHandful posted:If alp's negative gearing gets up, won't investors just start knocking down and rebuilding properties?
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# ¿ Feb 14, 2016 05:46 |
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# ¿ May 14, 2024 20:16 |
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Recoome posted:that is some horrifying poo poo right there May I suggest an alternative to the apparently problematic slogans? Ditch the Rich You're Welcome. -/- Arsetralian don't click http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...a41cb427712ef93 quote:Cunneen puts committee on notice over leaked transcripts THE AUSTRALIAN FEBRUARY 15, 2016 12:00AM Chris Merritt Legal Affairs Editor Sydney So she's doubling down on what appears to be a technicality. I can not see this ending well for her. -/- OK so we had the Royal Commission into Trade Union corruption which even if it was actually meant to dig dirt on Labor politicians pretty much completely failed to deliver. How many Federal Labor parliamentarians are currently under police investigation? My rough tally is zero. Compare that to the LNP with three cabinet ministers (Brough, Pyne and Roy ) currently under investigation and a recently resigned minister looking to face criminal charges. Jamie Briggs only resigned a couple of months ago. Also lol at Arthur Sinodinos claiming he did no wrong because he isn't actually in Goulburn Jail. If ever their was a royal commission needed into corrupt and criminal behaviour it isn't the ALP connections to trade unions it's the LNP and their dodgey mates. Don't touch the poop. Sometimes the post of the pooper is all the advertisement of their idiocy needed. This is one of those times.
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