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Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
Say no to dogs.

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Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
gently caress that's risky poo poo.

(Thread title for March found?)

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."


Cartoon posted:

On the face of it this would appear to be clearly within the intended remit of the ICAC even if the legislation is questionable.

Cunneen seems to be guilty as gently caress and her subsequent perjury (or is it just lying) should result in some consequences. Who deems it worth the candle to protect her?
I went to a talk about this last year (had Richard Ackland, former DPP Nick Cowdery, someone from the Council of Civil Liberies and one of Cuneen's lawyers). Overall they all supported ICAC, including the civil liberties guy who even explicitly said that the coercive powers it has aren't really a problem since it's separate enough from the actual law enforcement apparatus.

The argument about the Cuneen case was more specific, and partly revolved around whether Cuneen's actions constituted official corruption or just an attempt to pervert the course of justice. Ackland made the case (with some support) that it didn't really matter, and that if they couldn't investigate this then they couldn't investigate, say, collusion on a public tender process. The general agreement was that updating the legislation was the best solution.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Ragingsheep posted:

I get the feeling that the Cuneen thing has a bit of the legal establishment closing ranks with each other?
That too, and people looking to defang ICAC.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

ewe2 posted:

They're not raising the GST it says here on page 12 of the Hun. Apparently the money raised would have to be spent on welfare so no income tax cuts (oh and its not popular with marginal seat Libs) but gosh if we don't do SOMETHING about INCOME TAX we'll LOSE 0.35 OF GDP GUYS!!!!!!

The numbers must be looking poo poo :allears:

Peter Martin posted:

The most shocking thing in the Treasury analysis delivered to Scott Morrison on January 25 isn't the finding that a cut in income tax funded by a lift in the goods and services tax wouldn't boost the economy at all.
He asked it to model a lift in GST from 10 to 15 per cent and then the handing back of every possible cent in income tax cuts. Because boosting the GST automatically results in extra spending on benefits such as Newstart, family allowances and pensions as prices climb it isn't possible to give all of it back.

But it is possible to hand back $30 billion of the $35 billion as tax cuts, and that's what Morrison asked the Treasury to model in the first instance, not legislated increases in benefits of the kind delivered by his predecessor Peter Costello when introducing the GST.

The impact is horrific.

High earning households do very well. In the top fifth, 81 per cent are better off. In the fifth below that, 80 per cent are better off.

In the bottom fifth, only 9 per cent are better off. Put another way, the change makes 91 per cent of the lowest-earning households worse off.

It makes 79 per cent of the next lowest earning households worse off, and 60 per cent of middle earning households better off.

Morrison had asked the Treasury to model a change that enriched middle and high earners at the expense of the least-well off. And the results tell us something about the nature of the change. It appears to have been one that cut tax rates or adjusted thresholds at the top more than the bottom. All of the Prime Minister's talk about how any change must be fair appears to not have sunk in.

At his request Treasury and its consultants Econtech and KPMG also did sensitivity analysis. What would happen if, say, $6 billion of the tax cuts were diverted to low earners in extra benefits? They found that the more the tax cuts were diverted to benefits, the worse the economic payoff. Econtech found the payoff turned negative. KPMG found it was positive but got weaker the more low earners were compensated.

Morrison will make much of the finding in a later Treasury brief that doing nothing and allowing bracket creep to push people into ever higher tax brackets is set to take 0.35 per cent from GDP over four years. But tax cuts funded by a hike in the GST wouldn't have halted bracket creep, they would have postponed it. And during the time they postponed it, the projected budget deficit would have swelled.

Morrison will be able to deliver income tax cuts, but they will be smaller, funded by a tightening up of superannuation and other tax concessions. There's no realistic prospect of tax cuts being funded by slashing government spending. Treasury believes that at the moment the economy couldn't stand it. Cabinet ministers believe that spending cuts of the size needed to pay for big tax cuts just aren't possible.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
I can resist posting this no longer (though I'm sure everyone's seen it)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owI7DOeO_yg

hooman posted:

Increasing the GST and cutting tax for the rich fucks the poor?

WELL I NEVER.

They also seem to have forgotten that they were relying on bracket creep to reduce the deficit.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Anidav posted:

Isn't all these resignations exactly what Turdball wants? A reshuffle with a bunch of small L no names so he can sail into an election without a face the public can hate?
Stuart Robert was, until recently, not a face the public knew, let alone hated.

I guarantee you Turnbull would much prefer to not have to continually reshuffle based on ministers resigning in scandal.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

"[s posted:

Leaked Captain Planet script[/s] the SMH"]A prized $120 million CSIRO ship built to study marine science has been hired out to international energy giants Chevron and BP to help them search for oil and gas in the Great Australian Bight.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Anidav posted:

Wagering against Turnbull is suicide. An election would be called at the first sign of polls heading towards 50 50
They're not going to call a DD or a Reps-only election though.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

gay picnic defence posted:

That's what those senate reforms are for. Didn't they get passed the other day?

A DD halves the quota (since you need to elect 12 Senators, not 6), so it becomes much, much easier for minor parties to get in. Those changes might reduce it a bit but it's still a huge gamble.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

EvilElmo posted:

It doesn't reduce it a bit it basically removes the chance. Only Minor party to get senators will be the Greens and Xenophon (+1 maybe) under the changes proposed.

In a DD though?

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
CPSU are good and are currently getting stonewalled hard by the government.

EvilElmo posted:

So candidates with under x% (can't remember the exact number) of the vote get ignored, so the weird preference deals that allowed Muir to get up won't matter anymore.
I was pretty sure the recommendations didn't have a quota threshold, but I could be wrong (I know it got proposed).

quote:

It will certainly turn it from being near impossible to very hard. They'd need a big personal following and voter turnout. If all the racist UPF etc. groups get together and get behind 1 candidate in NSW and QLD they might get a senator in each state. But that isn't going to happen. All the vanity candidates will flock to the senate ticket in the view it's easy to get elected, which will kill their respective chances of getting up.
The quote reduction does change things though. Lion Hat got more than half a quote last time on first preferences. PUP in Tasmania almost did. Xenophon would have got 3 candidates up (rather than just himself). This is before any preference stuff really comes into play.

There's a difference between small-but-actual parties like Family First and the Shooters and Fishers, and preference-harvesting groups or fringe candidates, and it'd really matter at a DD.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
Freedom is dead.

https://twitter.com/latikambourke/status/698833750780743680?s=09

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

EvilElmo posted:

Wasn't Latika off to some cushy overseas job?

UK correspondent or something I think?

She still keeps up to date on Australian stuff

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

tithin posted:

That Tim Wilson resigning thing isn't news is it? I remember reading something last week from here that he was going to do it, and a tweet from a (female?) politician that it was time to shut down the human rights commission?

I thought he hadn't officially confirmed he was stepping down to stand for Liberal pre-selection (though it had definitely been rumoured).

thatfatkid posted:

There's going to be an election before the budget. The libs want to get elected again so that they'll have a "mandate" to "reform" the economy i.e. GST increases.
Yes, the Coalition are going to go to an election early (which people hate), that will either be Reps only (which will force another election later, which will cost them seats and money) or a DD (which will give them a more volatile Senate), without the benefit of an election budget because

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

thatfatkid posted:

Early election? The election is due this year, and both parties are clearly gearing up for an election right now.
Sure, because they're expecting an election in September or October. An election in the next couple of months is still early (which is why it'd be Reps only or a DD).

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
Here's a more timeline. They deliver a budget in May, with a mix of (election-year) handouts and proposals designed to be blocked to take into an election as a policy manifesto / evidence of Labor's intransigence. This takes a little while, which fills in the June sitting session. MPs return home for July (to prepare for the election), and then in late July Turnbull announces the election will be held in the first week of September, roughly 3 years after the last one.

Gorbash posted:

Weren't they near broke a couple of years ago?
Yeah, elections are expensive, and regardless of how much money they'd have they'd prefer to throw everything at one rather than budget for two in quick succession.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
https://twitter.com/AllanJClarke/status/699034965963460608

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
Also he said that in response to a listener complaining about a minute's silence at an indigenous AFL match.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

open24hours posted:

Couldn't they take the power to legislate away from the states at the same time? Or make it illegal for a state to have a marriage act that excludes same sex couples?

Yeah, we could put same sex marriage in the constitution. It'd be a loving stupid idea, but it's not physically impossible.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

ewe2 posted:

Catallaxy Q&A Trip Report:

The catallaxy crowd have an "interruption bingo" to count how many times lefties interrupt rightys to Stop Them Saying Righty Things (the winner had 55). We have a new category of conservative too, there's Conservative and Malcolm Conservative. Ciobo is a Malcolm Conservative.
I don't supposed they considered "Malcomservatives" did they?

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
Is anybody here in the North Sydney Greens?

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Quantum Mechanic posted:

I assume you mean Lower North Shore? I basically know everyone active in it.

Probably them, yeah. My girlfriend's dad is giving a talk to them about electoral reform stuff next meeting, was just curious if anybody here was going to be there.

E: Lee Rhiannon is on the Joint Standing Committee for that too right?

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Solemn Sloth posted:

Weird that a guy who makes his money from shuffling micro party preferences would release a report scaring the greens away from abolishing micro party preferencing

It surprised me too.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

AgentF posted:

What is the basis for the Greens' commitment to senate reform?

The current system has some obvious issues and can be manipulated.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Amoeba102 posted:

Make drivers pay for the roads they use, tracked how? What put a toll both at the end of every street? The fuel excise is a way of making you pay for the driving you do that is relatively simple to implement. Without details it seems pretty dumb. Anyone read the report?

Not that specific report (I'm skimming through now), but replacing fuel excise with congestion pricing is a pretty standard suggestion. The general idea isn't to put tolls everywhere but in areas like city CBDs where you want to reduce traffic. It also has the benefit of accounting for hybrid or petrol-free cars.

E: There's a recommendation to start tracking heavy vehicles (via satellite etc) and charging them based on road usage, with the argument being that lots of these trucks are already tracked, that one truck causes more road damage than a thousand cars, and that successful similar schemes have been implemented elsewhere.

Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Feb 17, 2016

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Amoeba102 posted:

I suppose that's one way, but it's different from how the article presented it. Problem with reporting, I guess.
The report itself is pretty light on specifics of implementation; it's got that recommendation for heavy vehicle, and then some more general "look into this later" ones for light vehicle / car pricing.

London-style congestion pricing gets suggested every so often for the Sydney CBD; there were a bunch of articles about it late last year but nothing came of it.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Anidav posted:

The Turnbull government would seize a rare, absolute majority in the Senate if it finalises a deal on voting reform and calls a double-dissolution election, according to two experts on the preference system.
The Greens - who are negotiating with the Coalition to end "preference harvesting" among minor parties - would likely lose two of its current 10 senators if it agrees to support reforms and both houses of Parliament are dissolved.
A review of voting data by Graham Askey and Peter Breen, veteran players in minor party preference negotiations, forecasts the Coalition would win 40 Senate seats - a gain of seven - while Labor would remain anchored at 25 under the proposed changes being sought by the government.

Antony Green posted:


Could voting reform lead to the Coalition winning a Senate majority at a double dissolution? It is a claim that has set the dogs running this morning after analysis by the Renewable Energy Party claimed it would. (See Sydney Morning Herald article here.) The claim is the Coalition would win 7 of the 12 vacancies in three states delivering the Turnbull government a Senate majority.

It is a claim that doesn't stand up to analysis.

First let me point out that the self-interest here on the part of the two who have done the analysis, Peter Breen and Graham Askey. Both are part of the Renewable Energy Party, a micro-party currently applying for registration. Both have been involved in previous micro-parties and Breen was one of the micro-party members elected from the famous 1999 NSW Legislative Council tablecloth ballot paper. Breen, along with preference 'whisperer' Glenn Druery, worked briefly on the staff of Victorian Motoring Enthusiast Senator Ricky Muir after his surprise election in 2013.

So Breen has some self-interest in opposing the suggested Senate reform as it would destroy the micro-party business model.

Let me deal with the suggestion that the Coalition can win 7 seats in a single state.

To elect six Senators at a double dissolution, the Coalition would need to reach 46.2% of the first preference vote. If they poll more than 46.2%, they have a candidate in the race for a seventh seat, but realistically the Coalition would need close to 50% of the first preference vote to elect seven Senators. But if the Coalition poll less than 46.2% of the vote, it would be impossible for it to elect seven members from a single ticket. For Breen to claim the Coalition will win seven seats in NSW, Queensland and WA is to say the party will poll more than 46.2% of the vote.

How often has the Coalition done that at Senate elections? Here's the list of first preference Coalition votes above 46.2% since 1990.

Queensland 1996 50.3%
Western Australia 1990 46.2%
Western Australia 1993 50.1%
Western Australia 1996 47.5%
Western Australia 2004 50.2%
Western Australia 2007 47.7%
Western Australia 2010 46.4%
South Australia 2004 47.5%

The above cases are the only instances in the last quarter century where the Coalition could have won seven seats at a double dissolution, yet Breen and Askey are claiming it will happen in three states in 2016, including NSW and Victoria. If the Liberals and Nationals ran separate tickets in WA and Queensland, they could in special circumstances get an extra Senate seat by splitting their vote across two tickets. This was how the Coalition won four seats in Queensland at the 2004 half-Senate election.

Yet in their analysis, Breen and Askey claim that Labor and the Greens risk losing seats to a single Coalition ticket because of split votes, so it would be odd to reverse the argument and say splitting votes wouldn't disadvantage the Coalition.

In his argument explaining why Labor and the Greens could help the Coalition, Breen quotes a half-Senate race where Labor and the Greens split the 'left' vote and allow the Coalition to win, but he assumes the Coalition would get 53.6% of the vote.

Let's face facts. If the Coalition get the 50% of the vote to win seven Senate seats in NSW, Victoria and WA, then the Turnbull government would be returned to office with a massive House majority.

Under both the current and the proposed electoral system, a party would come close to winning seven Senate seats if its vote was above 50%. This system is proportional representation, and if a party gets more than half of the vote, there is always a reasonable chance it will get a proportionate outcome which is more than half the seats.

The current Senate electoral system could just as easily produce the same result. However, you would have to work out the labyrinthine preference flows and factor in the random factors produce by voters needing to use magnifying glasses on the over-sized ballot papers in under-sized fonts.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
Morrison's press club address consisted of him saying nothing for so long that he avoided too many questions about why he said nothing.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Amethyst posted:

Something tells me this is a flawed analysis from a bunch of clowns.

Turns out the flaw was using Reps 2PP figures instead of Senate preferences.

Which is either willfully misleading or staggeringly stupid.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
The new 404 pages from The Australian are better than the actual articles. Can someone who isn't phone posting link some here?

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Jumpingmanjim posted:

theaustralian.com.au/qualityjournalism





Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
https://twitter.com/7Sport/status/700176031164948480

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
https://twitter.com/mearesy/status/700460225111789569

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

ewe2 posted:

Smells like a big nudge to see if the early election DD idea will swing.

Well they have to say something, given they don't actually have any new policies to counter it with.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
https://twitter.com/theage/status/700618112593326080

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Skellybones posted:

Why is he so invested in Pell?

They're on the same side in the Culture War.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

BlitzkriegOfColour posted:

Is there any sort of physical principle upholding this? I would imagine it would be the opposite and that the gravitational pull of the sun, no matter how weak from 1AU, would still make things a little easier than shooting in literally any other direction?
The Earth is already moving through space, so anything we launch inherits some velocity. To hit the sun you need to slow down, and to leave the solar system you need to speed up, and the speed of the Earth makes it easier to do the latter than the former.

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Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Solemn Sloth posted:

I have no words

Opting out of super is a great way for the government to put more money in the hands of low income earners without affecting the budget, and all it means is long term pain for individuals and the country.

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