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MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Good lord this thread got started on a reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally stupid derail. Also people abuse their children so no one should be allowed to have children ever.

Have we heard how things have gone in Iowa? Don't have a radio at work so I'm a bit short on news.

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MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Birb Katter posted:

Cruz has been declared and Clinton is up .85% with 95% in

Wonderful! The GOP are doomed I tells ya.

Cleretic posted:

However, it is also Iowa, which is historically a terrible indicator of how things actually shake out.

Oh :(

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

MrsMachineGun was outraged this morning about the proposed changes to the senate voting laws this morning - while I argued that the current system is less than representative the other side of the coin is Libs and Labor want to change it so they can have more seats for themselves. Is it worth changing to keep nutballs like Leyonhelm out or worth keeping for the occasional good 'un like Muir to slip through?

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

So there's snap rallies to let the refugees stay tomorrow in all capital cities... except Adelaide. What the hell, Greens?

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

The Divine Orator posted:

Hey, just a lurker here but could you all maybe cut back on the Pavel stuff? It makes the thread really uncomfortable to read and given the state of Australian Politics it's kind of uncomfortable enough by default!

Not sure if uncomfortable is the right choice of words here but could we at least keep it work safe?

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Birb Katter posted:

While yes it is bad that we're using visas to block dissenting voices from coming to Australia and I'm sure it's being done at present so there is precedent to do it later at the same time it's nice to see people like this getting shafted.


Note he said that he hasn't actually applied for a visa - like Waleed said on the Project last night it was probably all hot air for attention and book sales.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Birdstrike posted:

should build a firewall to keep them bloody MRAs out

noice

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Cartoon posted:

What if they are just after a fresh source of kiddies?

Splode posted:

Mate you're so edgy it's illegal to sell you to minors

Splode posted:

I wouldn't try taking you in me carry on luggage phwoar

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Working at the ACCC the problem with IT upgrades was twofold:

1. Cost of upgrading and keeping upgraded
2. Cost of keeping people trained up when each parliamentary cycle usually meant job or budget cuts

While I was there we went through a process to change the way secure files were stored, it was botched badly and did not have a good user focus at all. If that's the way all government IT is run they're probably better off hanging on to their dinosaur systems.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Also I fully support welfare fraud for young people on Newstart to actually have a living wage. The trick back in my day was to list your grandparents address and say you were living away from home to at least scrape a few more bucks together.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005


God I hope we get flatly denied for membership. Maybe then it'll start sinking in.

Also ScreamingLlama you're advocating for terrible breaches of privacy based on the meager NewStart allowance. I'm not sure where this "you get welfare, therefore the government owns you" idea comes from, but if I pulled a sickie, posted a picture of me catching a movie on my (friends only) Facebook and someone from work reported me for it I'd be well within my rights to claim that as a privacy invasion, and yet I make way more than these poor people who would rather pretend not to be married than lose what little money they get.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

gay picnic defence posted:

I know, this seems a bit different to finding yourself wheelchair bound because of a moment of madness leading to dumb stunt or something though.

Some would argue that a person who is disabled due to their own fault (car accident while driving drunk, etc) are just as "not worthy" as an obese person. This is a horrendously slippery slope though and in a fair society what should matter is that you are disabled, not how you got there.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005


Replace the playground image with a five year old being raped by a Serco guard and you'll have a better angle, methinks.

Also:

ScreamingLlama posted:

OK then, if you think breaking the law is completely acceptable, then why don't you just drug-traffick your way out of poverty OH WAIT DRUGS ARE BAD AREN'T THEY

hooman posted:

hahhahaahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahaa

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Birb Katter posted:

Google filters its results depending on who searched for it. So it may not show hard core pornography to you when you search for love because they know you're not capable of getting an erection or what ever. This person who only searches for 'love me some muff diving' and 'love to see naked women jumping on trampolines' will have the results skewed towards their interests.

I love articles like this from the technologically tone deaf - "I watched a video on YouTube and all I got for recommendations was furry porn, collapse of society!"

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005


I hope the rest of the answer was "No, senator, that's ridiculous"

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Laserface posted:

gently caress if only human beings had some kind of overriding free will they could engage to avoid unhealthy behaviour.

Then you'd stop posting?

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Birdstrike posted:

So apparently I can deliver all the glorious lefty things I want (no high speed rail, that's dumb) without even touching the GST or super AND keeping negative gearing AND have 40bn net revenue.

Sign me the gently caress up.

Yeah, I played around with it as well and it just can't be that easy. Can it?

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

PaletteSwappedNinja posted:

Tim Wilson, the Human Rights Commissioner, will run for Robb’s safe seat of Goldstein.

I have huge respect for Wilson.

He is very smart, diplomatic and hard-working, and brave and articulate in the contest of ideas.

He is a libertarian rather than a conservative, and how badly we need people who believe in freedom.

Wilson, for instance, has been brilliant in the defence of free speech, when too many others were silent. He has fought for free markets and against the over-regulation that stifles creativity, initiative, investment and employment.

Even when we’ve differed - on legalising same-sex marriage, for instance - Wilson has been able to argue with the greatest civility, without giving or taking offence. He prefers ideas to combat, policy to posturing, deeds to words.

I like him a lot.

And, of course, now that he is leaving the Human Rights Commission the coast is clear to call for its complete abolition.

Source your quotes please.



:laffo: "We thought they were fake poo poo, still wore them though" pull the loving other one.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Frankly posted:

- Few adults/no children in detention by end of Howard years

So what? That was a long time ago

quote:

- Labor policy led to 51,000 new arrivals, 1,200 deaths at sea

This one and the first point are tough to unpack, but the main thing is that the amount of refugees attempting to come to Australia is out of our hands. If a war breaks out in Indonesia tomorrow it won't be because of anything Labor or Liberal have done, and refugees fleeing war will have Australia as one of our options.

Also the amount of deaths at sea is completely disingenuous - the only reason we can't compare numbers is because the Libs are keeping them completely secret ("on water matters") which includes a count of deaths caused by Australian boat turnbacks. Not to mention that the reason a lot of these boats are dangerous to travel in is due to Australia destroying boats.

quote:

- 2,000 children in detention under Labor, down to <100 today

While that's admirable 1 is too many.

quote:

- Increase in 'legitimate' asylum seeker intake (this phrase gives me the shits but I don't understand it fully)
- Australia is now the World's Most Generous Nation for Resettling 'Genuine' Refugees (by head of population and by national wealth) and 2018/19 will be our biggest intake in 30 years

We have increased our quota but we could be taking a lot more. I can't remember the exact numbers but the intake went up by a few hundred when the Greens were pushing for a few thousand.

quote:

- Detention centers run sporting activites, art programs, recreational facilities, libraries, English classes and self-education facilities
- Greens, advocates using 'overblown language' and 'emotional manipulation' and subtly called me out on my similarly strong language.

For the most part we don't know what's going on in detention facilities - journalists are having a hard time gaining access, and while those activities are great, there's also reports of food poisoning, hunger strikes, rape and worse.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Found the Greens policy - they want to increase it to 30,000 : http://greens.org.au/safer-pathways

2015-16 we'll take in 25,750 but 12,000 of those are due to the Syrian crisis.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Frankly posted:

Thanks again Mystical.

No problem, happy to help :)

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

So do they admit that they ripped off LINO wholesale from the yanks with RINOs (Republican In Name Only)?

Re: helmet chat, better city planning is definitely needed. I look at the five minute car ride I have to work, and when walking it becomes a 20 minute + endeavour because I can't loving make it in a straight line. Plus the lack of sidewalks makes me worry for when my daughter is old enough to start riding a bike - the sidewalks end randomly and don't always have a corresponding start on the opposite side of the road. Also no bike lanes.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

MonoAus posted:

Also re: helmest chat, I have a question for cyclists. Once bicycle infrastructure has been built, why do so many cyclists still choose to ride on the street? (Maybe this is a Perth thing only).


open24hours posted:

Because the bicycle infrastructure isn't very good? Canberra has an excellent network of bike paths for recreational cycling, but they're much too circuitous if you're riding for transport.

Exactly, cars get freeways and overpasses so they can go from point a to point b in the shortest time possible, cyclists and buses get circuitous routes that make their travel time even longer.

I have to catch a bus to training in town on Thursday and Friday and since my suburb doesn't connect to an OBahn route it's going to take soooo long :qq:

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Birb Katter posted:

Nothing is pulling them out, earths momentum is pushing it out.

Pull factors: never a thing

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Anidav posted:

Man, I know Friendly Jordies is a ALP Right shill but he sure is good at tearing Mike Baird to shreds.

I thought he was just an ALP shill rather than specifically ALP right?

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Jumpingmanjim posted:

http://dontplaywithproperty.org.au/

The property lobby has a new campaign out against negative gearing changes. It feature this image as a background:



:laffo:

"The Australian housing market is a house of cards, precariously balanced. Please help us keep it that way."

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

"People are willing to harm themselves or their children to escape our death camps detention centres, clearly this means that they're duplicitous scumbags and not desperate people trying to flee from our horror show of an island government-sanctioned tents." - Peter Dutton

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

xPanda posted:

I think you have to boil water for young babies no matter the source. But of course that doesn't mean that Nauru water isn't undrinkable anyway - no way to determine from that statement.

This is true, you have to sterilise everything, which is quite annoying when it's 40 degrees and bubs is thirsty.

Of course at least I have a fridge to cool it down afterwards, unlike these poor people who only have the kettle in their tent :smith:

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

chyaroh posted:

My pet peeve are roundabouts with jungles planted in the middle. It royally screws up the primary purpose of a roundabout, which is to keep the traffic flowing. If you can't see a car coming until it is at the intersection next to you thanks to all the foliage then you might as well have left the bloody thing as give way/stop signs instead.

God yes. This happens all the time around new building areas. It's frankly dangerous. Put some shrubs or something on there that don't grow above a foot, not trees and large flowers.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Question for the thread based on an anecdote.

We were talking about negative gearing at lunch and while one of my co-workers think Labor's position is to unceremoniously drop it (and that Liberal will phase it out except for new buildings, which is the Labor position) and that it would effect me, a person with a single home, by the market dropping as all the investors dropout. Hence if my house value drops by 50 grand the bank will then charge me that.

Is this in any way true? I honestly don't care if my house value drops as long as my daughter will eventually be able to own a home or apartment rather than rent forever.

Also it's a bad investment if you rely on tax breaks to make your investment work.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Cheers for the answers folks, no I don't work with Laserface, just a privileged white boy who's voted Liberal all his life and is quite lovely outside of talking about politics.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005


Hey, that's awesome!


tithin posted:

Hey, this is correct. A loan is a legal binding contract that can only be altered with the consent of both parties.

If the value of your house drops 50k, you're still on the hook for it.

Signed, banking scum.

That's what I thought, thanks scum.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Birb Katter posted:

Right on queue we get someone in government setting up a site to promote racism.

"The site will also root out treating people with respect and its purveyors who seek to stymie free speech "

Good lord, who says this kind of thing without realising what they're saying. "Treat people with respect?!? gently caress off!"

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

UrbanLabyrinth posted:

That's Birb's replace-"Political Correctness"-with-"treating people with respect" filter, not the original wording.

:doh:

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005


:golfclap:

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

KingEup posted:

To my knowledge the post history doesn't include archived threads.

Is this the thread you're looking for (requires archives, obviously) Why Australia is Screwed

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Halo14 posted:

Another good article explaining Negative Gearing...

Negative gearing explained: will Labor’s policy make it cheaper for first home buyers?

http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/negative-gearing-explained/7192920

Thanks for this, I tried to explain negative gearing to my wife the other day and was struggling for a nice, concise summary like this.

That the stats back up Labor's plan helps too.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Birb Katter posted:

Cleiv to Turdballs



:vince:


Birb Katter posted:

Seeing as none of you are picking up the slack, moar Poep



Pope is the best. Where are these coming from, a break down of the Defence White Paper?

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

uncivil mittens posted:

Investing in property is popular currently , in my understanding, because of its security and the allowances and offsets provided to the investor. Overall though it seems that it has a higher negative impact on people who are not investing in housing and especially those who don't already own a home, by artificially inflating housing prices. Is this unique to investing in properties, or are there negative societal effects associated with all types of investments? For example, if the investor, or even many investors, dropped the same amount on bonds or shares it would have little impact, that I'm aware of, on pretty much anything right?

You're right - high investment in a particular share or bond would drive it's price up but that would only affect other investors and the stock market, not prevent people from getting a roof over their heads because fucko needs a 6th loss-driven investment in their portfolio.

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MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

It just makes me so loving angry. People on NewStart are bludgers because they need government money to loving feed themselves but negative gearing is for honest solid-gold investors who use an investment loss to get free taxpayer money gently caress gently caress gently caress

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