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Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
More meltdowns please. I don't know any young people in real life who were 'no' supporters, so laughing at /pol/ people is the best I'll get.

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Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
Ulster, on either side of the border, is always reliably nuts. If Roscommon gets much company in the dustbin of history in this referendum it'll probably be the Nordies.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine



Well well well.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

irlZaphod posted:

Probably only thanks to Gerrymandering. In the Marriage Equality referendum, it was a Roscommon-South Leitrim constituency. It was Galway-Roscommon this time.

Mental that FG seem to have become a far less conservative party than FF.

FG historically have been more socially conservative than Labour, but they've always been a lot less socially conservative party than FF. Their core support base has traditionally been a lot more middle class than FF. It was DeV and FF who were fully in bed with the Catholic Church.

FG have always been too far to the right on economic issues, but their current Thatcherite neo-liberal views are an extreme even for them. Whenever Leo goes they might pivot back towards their more normal centre-right-ish economic views.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
To be fair at least this way he'll get a ministerial position in the next government and actually be able to influence the country. Catherine Murphy does good investigative work but the Social Democrats aren't going to achieve anything lasting by refusing to ever go into government.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

DepoProvera posted:

Yes everyone should just join FF or FG

No not at all. Smaller parties in Ireland have been proven to be able to have a very large influence while in government, ie the PDs or Greens. But the problem with the Social Democrats is they had the opportunity to go into this current government in 2016, when they could have extracted a prince's ransom from a desperate FG for their seats. But Shortall in particular was resolutely against it, preferring instead to play the "long game". Which given herself and Catherine Murphy are only likely to last one more election or so given their age is a very risky proposition.

Its why I can see the merits of Donnelly's decision to leave, with the crux of his argument being "if you're not willing to go into government now, then when will you be?".

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
It'd be nice if we got into a tradition of a monumental piece of socially liberalising legislation/amendment being implemented every 3 years.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
Decriminalising drugs would be great. But secularising schools and hospitals is probably a more important issue. Its ridiculous how involved the Catholic church is in both of these today.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
Well that was fast:

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/05/29/flings-duster/

quote:

Co-leader Róisín Shortall TD said:

“We need to take religion out of the school day entirely. I will be tabling an amendment to the Education (School Admissions) Bill 2016 today to do just that.

Education Minister Richard Bruton’s proposals for divestment are piecemeal and seem like yet another long fingering exercise.

The Citizens’ Assembly model proved to be incredibly valuable in dealing with the issue of how to legislate for access to abortion in Ireland….

…The overwhelming public support for repealing the Eighth Amendment reflects a changed mood in the country.

People are moving towards a sense of civic ethics and increasingly they want to see the separation of the church and state in other aspects of public services, particularly our education system where 90 per cent of primary schools are under the patronage of the Church.

It would be very appropriate and timely for the government to task a Citizens’ Assembly to examine the issue and bring forward recommendations to the Oireachtas.”

Go the SocDems! It'll probably be ignored by FG, but we'll see.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
A DUP TD probably wouldn't be that much worse than the Healy-Raes to be fair. Probably just as backward socially, but maybe slightly less corrupt.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

irlZaphod posted:

All our political parties are left compared to the US...

This is true of most civilized countries, though.

Ireland hasn't had a single left wing government since independence. Labours few years as minority coalition partner here or there have been as close as we've come, and thats pretty far off. Its pretty horrifying how conservatism has dominated the country for the past 90 years.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
Its a shame all of these nutjobs/corrupt FFers/egomaniacs are coming out of the woodwork. The whole election is going to be a colossal waste of time and money.

Presuming he wins hopefully Higgins doesn't die any time soon, that would trigger another election again then wouldn't it?

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/10/25/leader/

Casey leading in so many online polls is really odd. I really didn't think there were so many 4chan alt-right types in Ireland.

Unless its yanks voting in all the polls, I guess. Hopefully they they'll enjoy going 0 for 2 after the abortion referendum and this.

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Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
On the one hand lol at Gallagher. Delighted he won't get his expenses back.

On the other, Casey jumping from 2% to 21% when he decided to start Trumping it up is very worrying. There will be undoubtedly lots of very interested, unscrupulous people taking note of that...

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