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Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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forkboy84 posted:

How much can Sinn Fein actually do to enact socialist policies in Northern Ireland though? Aren't they rather limited by the need to work with the DUP who are anything but interested in socialist policies? I'm not trying to sound like an apologist for them, I've not got a horse in this race, genuinely curious about the growth of Sinn Fein in the Republic. I've heard a little about a growing clash in the party between the old heads from Northern Ireland and a younger generation of activists who are less concerned with reunification and more worried about improving social justice in Ireland but aside from that I know very little.

Considering my sister stays in Dublin now I probably should know more about Irish politics but that tends to go as far as "Fianna Fial & Fine Gael are both terrible".

http://thebrokenelbow.com/2016/01/18/1916-and-irelands-revisionists-a-counter-blast-from-justine-mccarthy/

Ed Moloney posted:

The simple truth is that in Mr Adams and his colleagues there really is much less for the Irish establishment to worry about than they imagine or fear.

These are not revolutionaries who wish to upend the social and economic order, despite their history of armed struggle; the willingness to use guns does not in itself signify anything more than a readiness to end another’s life.

As republicans go, they are more Pearse than Connolly, more concerned about changing the colors of the flag that flies over the GPO than challenging how the GPO does its business, more intent on attaining power than using it to transform society.

Their track record in government office in the North, from an almost instant acceptance of public-private partnerships and cuts in the health services, through to the recent negotiation of the viciously pro-austerity ‘Fresh Start’ deal tells us that.

Sinn Fein is a party which has elevated pragmatism and expediency to art forms, disclaiming a fixed economic and social ideology in the interests of attaining and keeping office, driven more by the polls than political doctrines, one day championing the victims of austerity against the banks, the next declaring it ‘has no problems with capitalism’.

Last March, on the margins of a St Patrick’s Day bash for Hillary Clinton in Manhattan, at a time when alarmed European bankers were comparing Sinn Fein to the then Greek radicals in Syriza, Goldman Sach’s CEO, Lloyd Blankfein asked Gerry Adams for a private chat which lasted ten minutes or so.

Afterwards Blankfein confided to a fellow guest that he had come away ‘greatly impressed…..and re-assured’ by the Sinn Fein leader.

So relax, Dublin Four. Easter Monday 2016 isn’t going to be any bit as bad as Easter Monday 1916. If you don’t believe me, then trust the man who runs the most powerful and egregiously greedy bank in America! I don’t think Gerry Adams would lie to him.

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Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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School Nickname posted:

My Dad for 6 months was fairly set on Sinn Fein as his only alternative, but as soon as he heard of the Social Democrats he became interested. A lot of people really don't want to vote SF due to their political baggage, even if they like their polices.

Yeah, the drop in support for SF among people who were around back in the day is pretty stark:

Bryter fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Feb 4, 2016

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Marenghi posted:

Not sure what good getting into scraps with Pegida Ireland does for the anti-racist cause.

It put a racist piece of poo poo in the hospital, that's a plus.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Coohoolin posted:

All I have to go on is his twitter and his media appearances but Gerry Adams seems like a genuinely decent guy, I'd vote for him if I lived in his constituency.

His twitter feed's pretty amusing, but you're making a mistake if you think the twee image he's cultivating with it isn't calculated.

StoneOfShame posted:

My issue with Gerry is his repeated lies, not just about his IRA membership which is just ridiculous at this point as all the others have admitted it and its largely just accepted these days.

To be fair, Marty would've probably taken the same approach if he hadn't made the mistake of announcing he was the commander of PIRA in Derry on national television.

Bryter fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Feb 8, 2016

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Hahaha wait, they basically want a petition of concern?

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Badger of Basra posted:

Who do right-wing republicans in Northern Ireland vote for? Do those voters even exist?

I've known a couple. Much like left wing unionists, they are poo poo out of luck.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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NI21 are vaguely left-liberal/"progressive", but they're even more of a nonentity than the PUP.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Cabinet posted:

What time is the debate on at? I'm probably going to miss it because of work :(

8 (I think)

e: Nope, it's at 9

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Even if you were watching it you'd be missing it, can't make out a word they're saying with them talking over each other. It's really bad.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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kustomkarkommando posted:

This is kind of pants argument to use in modern Ireland though. It's not like there's exactly a rich history of war mongering in the last 70 odd years

That's why Gerry's the man for the job. He'll reverse that shameful tradition and take back Ireland's rightful territory from the Brits. Starting with Rockall.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Goofballs posted:

He's always denied being in the IRA which I kind of believe

GERRY

GERRY

OH MY GOD GERRY

WE FOUND ONE

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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He was directly involved in the running of PIRA activities and was part of the Army Council, who were always in the driver's seat.

As far as loyalty goes, if he'd never denied his membership in the first place, he might not have pissed off Brendan Hughes so much that he went on record with inimate details of Gerry's involvement. D'oh!

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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It's the second person I've witnessed saying they believe him.

The first was Martin McGuinness.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Marenghi posted:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2016/watch-mary-lou-mcdonald-confronted-by-incensed-man-on-dublins-grafton-st-34468268.html

Interesting bit of news from the other day. A well dressed man who identifies as a small business owner confronted a Sinn Fein politician on the street. He said they follow a tax policy which punishes people who want to work hard and get on. He also said he was apolitical but would vote Fine Gael.

The media hasn't covered it since but he was outed on Twitter and Facebook as CEO of the Irish branch of Sarasin & Partners, a wealth management firm that manages £13.4B worldwide.

I'm pretty sure all those young people who earn 69 grand he's talking about have already been "taxed out of existence" because I've never loving met any.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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It's actually kind of stunning that, without exception, the leaders come across as so incompetent and unprofessional compared to the surrogates in the last debate

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Hahaha they're going to ask Gerry what his biggest regret is, aren't they

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Marenghi posted:

a bit reminiscent of the way George Osbourne talks about growth http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-11627746

THESE STRIKES ARE WRONG AT A TIME WHEN NEGOTIATIONS ARE GOING ON

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Blut posted:

I fear that for Gerry and co the end goal of being in power is Republicanism, not Socialism.

I think you're being charitable if you don't think they see power as an end in itself.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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kustomkarkommando posted:

Some good news though. Lucinda looking like she might not make it

https://mobile.twitter.com/RTEDublinBaySth/status/703546408218009600

Yessssss

Every cloud!

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Foul Ole Ron posted:

Its far from over and there will be a few interesting days a head, but FG hosed up big time.

The 'keep the recovery going' slogan and Enda's woeful performance seems to have driven away swing voters on mass back to FF.

I can't see Enda surviving this (good riddance) but I have a feeling that FG also might be in trouble in years to come.

I wouldn't count on the people who just went back to FF in droves to have long memories.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Sinn Fein are ending their policy of TDs drawing only the average industrial wage from their salaries. Apparently they aren't too impressed with having to struggle the way that people on the average industrial wage are accustomed to.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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quote:

If anyone is genuinely offended by my use of the N-word they misunderstand or misrepresent the context in which it was used. For this reason I deleted the tweets

Hahahaha "I'm very sorry that you're offended"

Jesus...

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Near had a heart attack when I saw that caption. It's a typo, thank Christ.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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https://twitter.com/ChrisHazzardSF/status/728602303771594752/photo/1

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Pretty dire looking for the SDLP overall...

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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SDLP were in the running for a seat in Strangford for a second there. That's not something I ever thought I'd say. Things are strange.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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"Make Ireland Great Again"? Did I miss the first time around?

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Marenghi posted:

Wasn't that Joan Burton? Encouraged young, unemployed people to gently caress off to other countries for work.

Yep, literally sent out letters to the unemployed saying "you know, there's jobs in Norway..."

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Whoever gets in in Foyle should have the room sing the anthem of the Russian Federation.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Ahahaha the fuckers lost the petition of concern

That alone was worth £500m, cheers Arlene

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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The British commentariat are taking the election results well

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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I like the idea that tearing up the GFA would be an affront to unionists when the only major party to oppose it is uh the biggest unionist party by far

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Come on now lads... Can't afford us?? Are you trying to tell me that the 26% GDP growth was a big bunch of bullshit?

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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kustomkarkommando posted:

You're entitled to claim citizenship if you have an Irish-born Grandparent, you have to jump through quite a few hoops in terms of producing documentation proving this (death certificates, marriage certificates etc) and the process is not cheap (its something over €1000 a pop I think excluding the costs of securing copies of all the documents need).

It's €270 according to this. Unless I'm missing another step or something.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Personally I think it's a great idea, if only because it'll be funny to see the die hard unionist side of my family struggle with the dilemma: do they refuse to participate in a free stater election or do they dirty their hands to vote against Gerry??

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Oh god.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Imagine if they get that insane bridge to Scotland of the ground...

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Blut posted:

Hopefully. Its pretty cowardly.

It really exposes the divide between their historical, rural border county, conservative Catholic vote and their new, urban, working class socially liberal socialist aspirations.

Official Sinn Fein/Provisional Sinn Fein split incoming

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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kustomkarkommando posted:

there was a couple of angry questions fielded by a segment of the population at public debates when Martin McGuinness, a Northerner and Irish citizen, ran for president.

Haha I remember that. Hope someone checked up on the question askers. Part of me struggles to believe you could tell Martin McGuiness he's not Irish to his face and remain fully intact.

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Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Congrats folks

Can your next referendum concern invading and annexing the north? cheers

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