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julian assflange posted:Are you actually serious? That was a real question. Everyone just looked awkwardly at him and mumbled "ambulance" before the ads started High point may have been when the moderators starting interrupting each other complaining that everyone was interrupting each other
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The amendment to the Justice Bill in Northern Ireland that would have allowed for abortion in cases of fatal foetal abnormality was defeated 59 to 40, with the SDLP whipped to vote No - with only Claire Hanna, the party's candidate for Belfast South who's consider one of the young liberals in the party, abstaining from the vote. SF, Alliance, Steven Agnew of the Greens, Basil McCrea of NI21 and John McCallister (formerly of NI21) voted in favour - surprisingly joined by a small handful of UUP MLA's who where allowed a free vote, among the UUP Aye's was party leader Mike Nesbitt. Another motion to legalize abortion in cases of rape or incest managed to split Alliance, only two of their MLA's voted in favour (Anna Lo, who tabled the motion, and Stephen Farry) - the rest voted it down, ostensibly it seems to focus on the fatal foetal abnormality motion and avoid "slippery slope" talk (that came up anyway in the debate around the motions)
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Gerry can speak Irish but he's by no means fluent, and is pretty open about that and has been taking lessons for a couple of years, and would get trounced by Enda or Micheal especially if the debate was anything like the TV3 version. If you missed it someone uploaded the full debate to youtube if you are a masochist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQbpZJPThWI But you can always just watch this highlight which is probably enough for anyone tbh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFCHmYLBcGs
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In regards to Joan getting the chop if she falls short at the election, which may very well happen looking at the recent constituency polling, who's favorite to replace her? My money is on Brendan Howlin. Safe seat, known name, "safe pair of hands" etc - it may be a slightly bitter pill for him that after years of jostling for the leadership he gets it foisted on him but he seems like the most likely pick. If Alan Kelly survives he'll be doing it by distancing himself from the national campaign and making a show of himself (much like he's doing) and I'm not sure the party will be hurrying to pick him, Ged Nash is looking pretty shaky in Louth and I don't thinks the odds are in his favour to hold his seat, Alex White is a dead man walking and I'll be massively surprised if he retains his seat and that leaves Aodhán Ó Ríordáin who will struggle to hold on as well.
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Coohoolin posted:Ehm pretty much every national leader anywhere ever has ordered murders. This is kind of pants argument to use in modern Ireland though. It's not like there's exactly a rich history of war mongering in the last 70 odd years
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Feb 15, 2016 00:18
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if it came out Haughey had someone murdered and mulched up at a beef processing plant I would be shocked that there was someone competent enough in the guards to actually cover it up
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Debate tonight at 9:30 on RTE - Gerry, Enda, Joan and Micheal joined by Lucinda representing Renua, Richard Boyd Barrett for AAA/PBP and Stephen Donnelly for the SocDems. Claire Byrne moderating with a selected studio audience so hopefully it will be better controlled than TV3s attempt. For anyone abroad the debate will be streamed for free via the RTE international app if you can't get a proxy working with the RTE player http://www.rte.ie/playerinternational/ kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Feb 15, 2016 |
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SIPTU have announced another Luas strike. This time its going to be on Paddy's Day. Cue another round of anti-union moaning
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julian assflange posted:Is it still/again about pay? Aye they are looking for parity with Irish rail drivers, which averages out to something like a 40% pay increase over 5 years- but they probably would settle for less, Transdev are refusing any pay increase above inflation which is in the negative at the minute so basically they are offering nothing. There's only been one pay increase of 2.5% in the last 6 years even with revenue increasing 30% so they are pushing hard for something substantive.
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This is probably a preview for the summer. The Haddigton Road Agreement between the government and public sector unions expires in June and considering the "emergency is over" they are not going to swallow more freezes - this is a skirmish in advance of a messier argument.
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I'm in a hotel in Belfast and this TV doesn't get RTE. :cryingpadraigpearse:
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Boyd Barrett is getting a round of applause for everything he says now. He seems to have won the audience at least.
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julian assflange posted:Social Democrats guy has done alright as well but he is a little dry. Gerry hasn't spoken in nearly 15 minutes which is extraordinary The comment from Joan that he sounds a bit too much like a management consultant rings a little bit too true, the SocDems needed to stand out a bit more for a bump - beginning to think they should have sent Catherine Murphy instead
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Based on the reaction to the debate it does looks like the SocDems might sweep up a fair few ex-Labour supporters. Not sure how it will play out for them though, the only SocDem candidate outside the main three that seems to be getting much attention is Gary Gannon in Dublin Central and it doesn't seem that likely he's going to inch out Maureen O'Sullivan for a seat - the other two seats are pretty much certain for Mary Luo and Pascal Donohue. 7 seats is their target and they'd be doing well to hit it kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Feb 17, 2016 |
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julian assflange posted:Serious voter that I am, I didn't notice that Cork South Central doesn't have a SocDem candidate. Feck Yer in Fianna Fail country boyo
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Here's a map of all the constituencies the SocDems are fielding candidates in: From here, which has maps of all the other parties as well - including all the ones people forget exist
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drat didn't mean to edit this. Oh well, it was just number stuff about Cork South Central.
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Someone leaked a poll commissioned for the Sunday Times conducted on the day of the TV debate and immediately after It puts Labour at 4%, that is complete wipeout territory and half of what they have been polling - the Labour reaction has been one of sheer disbelief and they are insisiting it must be an outlier Here's it visualised  For comparison here's the latest Red C poll conducted between Monday and Thursday which tracks closer to what we've been seeing in previous polls 
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And just to add some emphasis to that 4% of first preferences would be the worst Labour result ever - which would be kind of hilarious coming off the back of their best result ever in 2011
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Discendo Vox posted:"someone leaked a poll" should send all sorts of red flags up. Who "leaked" it, and what were their motivations? What were the sampling methods? How are you confident these are the actual results? It was conducted by Behaviour & Attitudes who are a respected enough polling company, it was undoubtedly leaked to generate a bit of press and the Times published it today in advance (behind a paywall of course) - Labour have generally been tracking slightly lower in their polls for a while than in other polls but full sampling info will be published tomorrow. 8%, which is what they've been sitting on in other polls by Red C and others is still a dismal result for Labour, last time they dipped below 9% was 87 after they pulled out of a previous coalition with FG which was (at the time) their lowest first preference vote share since the 40s - Labour are privately confident they will secure 10%+ and anything lower may spell serious internal party wrangling kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Feb 20, 2016 |
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Coohoolin posted:Is there a clear reason for such a shift? Is it at all comparable to Labour losing in Scotland because of anti austerity and anti right wing sentiment shifting to a nationalist party? Labour got a record poll boost in 2011 as people shifted to the traditional opposition parties en mass in protest to FFs dismal handling of the bail out and the beginning of austerity - their time in government has been marked by a continuation of austerity policies and many of the people who voted for them are bitterly disappointed in their performance - a couple of Labour TDs have even been expelled for voting against the government as the Irish whip system is incredibly strict. Adding to that many Labour figures from years gone by who built the popularity of the party since the 90s are retiring and not contesting the election - generally negativity about Labour failing to mitigate FGs austerity policies plus a passing of the old guard is not making people very optimistic about their chances.
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Discendo Vox posted:This means nothing. Many polls are poo poo. What was the method? They usually conduct their polls with door to door surveys sampled across all constituencies and then weigh the results by self declared likelihood to vote and past voting history, eliminating undecideds. As I said the full data has yet to be published yet by the company and the reported margin of error is 3%, which isn't that far from a similar poll conducted by Millward Brown in the same time period for the Sunday Independent which puts Labour at 6% with a similar margin of error. Again these are all headline figures being released for the weekend media cycle before the full polls are published for the Sunday papers edit: Actually hold on the full tables have been released now kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Feb 20, 2016 |
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The turnout for the referendum was decent considering they generally get poo poo turn outs - the campaign hasn't exactly been electrifying though and people have been complaining about how boring it's been considering the months of build up and electioneering. I would still hope for something in the mid 70s range, so a bit higher than the last couple of elections but on par with the last election off the back of an FG/Labour coalition - which did not work out very well for Labour so maybe they are trying to be boring on purpose
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RTE2 has a "Facebook Election Special" on tonight ahead of the next leaders debate on Tuesday - live questions from the studio audience, Facebook and Twitter hosted at Facebook's offices in Dublin. No leaders are coming along but they've pulled together a motley crew of representatives - Leo for FG, Mary Lou for SF, Timmy Dooley for FF, Aodhán Ó Ríordáin for Labour and some really rather bizarre other picks to fill out the panel including Eamon Ryan of the Greens, former FF senator turned Independent Averil Power and AAA-PBP's candidate for Carlow-Kilkenny Adrienne Wallace
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This is like an audition for "I want to be the next leader of my party"
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Eamon Ryan has some proper balls laying into Facebook's tax avoidance schemes while sitting in their HQ good on him
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julian assflange posted:Does anywhere liveblog these things? well the major interest on twitter at the moment is the shaky camera work and this https://twitter.com/marktigheST/status/701537413940641792
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Well any good will Eamon Ryan may have built up from attacking Facebook over their tax avoidance may have just evaporated after he started insisting that women where having abortions because as a culture we don't value motherhood
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New Ipsos MORI poll for the Irish Times puts Labour at 6% Its also the fourth poll out now showing a dip for SF in recent days, the drops have ranged between 1 and 4% so its not massive but a sign that the momentum they hoped to build with the campaign may not be materialising as planned.
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Resurrecting cork south central chat from previous pages it's looking like 2 FF, 1 FG (Coveney not Buttimer) and 1 SF based on some recent constituency polling http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/poll-shows-big-breakthrough-for-sinn-fein-in-cork-south-central-721735.html
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It seems pretty dumb to cut back to only 4 after the 7 way was praised as a generally good show, if its another shouty performance were reaching the stage it might negatively effect the actual results
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Cabinet posted:What is the reason for them cutting it to 4 anyway? I don't think they've given any, the SocDems have called it state censorship and Lucinda has raised a racket about it as well.
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With the debate about to start peep the latest seat projections RTE has put together RTE" posted:Fine Gael 53, Fianna Fáil 33, Sinn Féin 27, Labour 12, PBP four, Social Democrats five, Green Party two, Renua two, Independent Alliance three, Others 17. With a caveat that Labour have been given 4 extra projected seats based on past performance re: percentage of the vote and seats held - a past trend that may not hold up considering the shift to younger faces?
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Gerry asked "Who is Senator Cahill?" twice after Enda brought her up. ooh er.
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Bryter posted:It's actually kind of stunning that, without exception, the leaders come across as so incompetent and unprofessional compared to the surrogates in the last debate I wonder if they had an audience whether it would make a difference or not - might make them wind their necks in a bit
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If you listen carefully you can actually hear the political system creaking
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Gerry going in for the dad jokes
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