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Namtab
Feb 22, 2010


Cunts

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Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:



No surprise, it's getting absolutely annihilated on twitter

Please don't post spoilers of my lunchtime reading

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Pistol_Pete posted:

Well, the conservative press are very conspicuously failing to follow Cameron's line that he's achieved an excellent result in the EU negotiations and now we should all vote to stay in, thank you very much.

In fact, a few months of headlines like these and I can see the 'Leave' camp actually winning.

Well the conservative press are pretty much on the leave side and Cameron's big renegotiation hasn't achieved anything "meaningful" so the grassroots is mad, the backbench is mad and the press is mad.

Living in a Tory area there's a bit of feeling that Cameron mostly offered the referendum because no other mainstream party would, and that he never has no interest in leaving or campaigning for brexit to begin with. Which I mean it's true but it was obvious in May also so it's not like it's a huge trick.

Upside is that this is potentially a good time for corbyn to work on stability seeing as the Tories are set to implode for a while.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Assange is a oval office is the thing. He's a dumbass for getting himself into this position what with being hated by America, but even if he weren't maybe he shouldn't be engaging in behaviour leading to really plausible accusations of rape????

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Don't rape people, assange!

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

JFairfax posted:

A man who tried to eat a cheeseburger in one mouthful choked to death, an inquest has heard.

Darren Bray, a father-of-three from Barry, died from an obstruction of the airways after a ball of food measuring 8cm by 5cm lodged in his throat.

The BBC reported that Dr Rhiannon Trefor told Cardiff Coroner’s Court: “He would not have been able to breathe… with that in his airway.”

Dr Trefor said Mr Bray would have died quickly, Wales Online reported.

he 29-year-old was at a friend’s house in Barry in October 2015 when he tried to eat the burger, folded in half, from fast food restaurant McDonald’s. He told his friends to “watch this” as he did so, the court heard.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/father-of-three-choked-to-death-after-eating-whole-cheeseburger-inquest-hears-a6853586.html

I love my country (Britain)

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

I hope they can pay me :ohdear:

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

baka kaba posted:

Apparently some places have literally had to go begging to Jeremy Hunt just to meet payroll. He issues loans because he wants to teach them a lesson about financial responsibility. I really wish I was making this up

That's been going on for a while

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

big scary monsters posted:

I don't really feel like you can overspend on the NHS, it can only be underfunded. It's really hard to think of a more important British national organisation. Given a choice between the government falling and the NHS collapsing I don't think many people would choose the latter.

e: obviously water supply, sewerage, electricity, rubbish collection etc. are all super important too, but those are mostly either private or at a regional level.

I mean, you can if your overspending means that you're underspending on services that could reduce the demand on the nhs, such as adequate social care provision for the vulnerable.


Luckily the conservatives are doubling down by underspending on both.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

I would support the rise of the judge system

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Pork Pie Hat posted:

If you get elected police commissioner and don't outsource law enforcement to a sociopath local billionaire vigilante you're doing it wrong.

I agree

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

He just said he met them, not that he likes or supports them.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Pissflaps posted:

He said it was 'excellent'?

The rally, not the people within

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

It's good, that corbyn is against extradition to the US, and is willing to communicate with groups who are also against it.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

baka kaba posted:

Why does pissflaps support Guantanamo and human rights abuses?

I'm not sure he supports that, he's just very pro extradition

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Pissflaps posted:

Oh. The rally was excellent. Meeting the people taking part in it was bad. I understand now.

He didn't say that. Jeremy corbyn has yet to offer a public opinion regarding the people.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Pissflaps posted:

'Had a lovely time at the Nuremburg rally. Met Hitler.'

Good godwin, epic lack of decent counterarguments.

'Gonna infer from a four year old tweet that corbyn supported a rapist and continues to do so'

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Pissflaps posted:

It's an elegant response to the mental contortions some of you get in to to justify the stuff that gobshite comes out with.

The mask slips, as the guy willing to contort any statement made by corbyn into the most negative meaning possible accused others of the opposite.

You've been asked before about who you would like to see as leader, to which you reply "anybody else". So I've got an alternative that you should be able to answer. The vote for Labour leader had a public element to it, which of the candidates did you, pissflaps, vote for?

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Pissflaps posted:

None of them. I'm not a Labour Party member.

Vote for a different party that has a leader you like then

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Thats democracy

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

If we quit the eu can we buy the good light bulbs/hoovers again?

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Tesseraction posted:

Probably we could, actually.

It's gonna take a lot of arguing for a stay vote then.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

people have the right to make unwise choices, vote with your conscience.

Guavanaut posted:

As long as it didn't do anything really stupid like leave the ECHR as well, I don't see the human rights side changing.

The Tories really really want to do this, and are backed up by the press who scream about it every time we can't deport a criminal because of it, or when prisoner votes raises its head.


E:

OwlFancier posted:

Also, if you recognize that someone is hurting themselves but don't understand that they are, that does not exculpate you from your obligation to stop them. There is a distinction between respecting someone's informed choice and recognising that they don't really have the facility to choose.
man things sure would be a lot easier if I as a nurse could stop people doing anything unhealthy.

Namtab fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Feb 8, 2016

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Loving Africa Chaps posted:

Currently the basic rate is:

Two intern (sorta) years

FY1 22,636
FY2 28,076

Enter into specialist training

CT1 30,002
CT2 31,838

Pick sub-specialty

ST3 34,402
ST4 35,952
ST5 37,822
ST6 39,693
ST7 41,564

Congrats you are now a consultant

Generally you then get 40-50% on top for all your out of hours work

Holy poo poo a year in and they get a progression that I need a promotion to obtain :qq:


I hope the doctors continue fighting the contract, not least because I'm pretty sure the nurse contract comes up for renewal this year.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

For the record, the nurses (and ahps) pay scale is here.

https://www.rcn.org.uk/employment-and-pay/nhs-pay-scales-2015-16

For the record band 3 and 4 is healthcare assistants and support workers, registered nurses start at 5, 7 is a ward sister, 8 is management.

Every year you go up a point in your band, when you reach the top of a band you get 1% a year until you get a new banding through a job interview.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Tesseraction posted:

Well I figure the nurses are also doing it because they're aware it's a hosed up lovely contract and they're looking out for their comrades.

It's poo poo, it's dangerous, the 7 day nhs mostly exists.


Ultimately I expect there'd be even more public support if the nurses ever took strike action because there's a misconception, even among some of my nursing colleagues, that doctors all earn tons to begin with.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

There's a lot of Tory nurses and I have a reasonable suspicion that the rcn doesn't do general strikes.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

I checked and the RCN has never had a general strike

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

namesake posted:

And before this the BMA hadn't acted like a trade union before.

Could this be the big society Dave spoke of

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

minema posted:

Most of the nurses I work with are with Unison now.

I think the majority of nurses are rcn. The only nurse I know in unison used to be a union rep before he started his training.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Worth noting that the abolition of the bursaries is the second step in creating a nurse recruitment crisis, the first step already happened and it was the inexplicable decision to require all nurse trainees to complete a three year degree, thus ensuring that the future generation of nurses gets less practical patient contact but can write essays really well.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Public bodies showing political bias seems suicidal.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010


What do you honestly think would happen if, say, the fire and rescue service openly backed Labour in an election, and the Tories won.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

It sucks when parents of patients criticise cuts and I have to be neutral.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Plus there's a real expectation in the apolitical (read: people who aren't posting about politics at midnight) that the nhs set itself apart from party politics.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

OwlFancier posted:

Does that fall ahead or behind people's expectations of the NHS to provide the service people depend on it for?

Cos like, at this point not openly opposing the government represents grievous mismanagement.

Surprisingly there are a lot of contradictory expectations when you provide healthcare.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

On the other hand re: constitution, do you really want a tory created constitution?

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Guavanaut posted:

Is the Supreme Court a fetishisation of US politics? I thought it was more to bring the UK in line with a lot of places in Europe like France and the Netherlands and Portugal that all have their own Supreme Court (or courts) for jurisprudence, rather than continuing the strange mixture of powers where the upper house of the legislature is also the final court of the judiciary.

Having Scotland be able to opt out of the criminal side of the Supreme Court is admittedly strange though. The North American equivalent would be if Louisiana or Quebec were able to opt out of Supreme Court decisions because of their law being based on French civil law rather than English common law.

I'd hope Quebec could opt out, being Canadian and all.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

TinTower posted:

Well, seeing as he's thrown his lot in with Ashers bakery… :v:

His opinion wrt that seems reasonable

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Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

turns out no one man can be Correct in thought and deed all the time. Who knew

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