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Oct 27, 2010

eXXon posted:

Since this is apparently troubling you deeply, I apologize for my split-second decision to derisively refer to the head of an organization as a capo - an Italian mafia slang term that also literally means head - in order to exaggerate for effect, mistakenly leaving the impression that I consider their activities to be genuine organized crime rather than just mildly sociopathic.

I hope we've all learned a valuable lesson about how choosing to "exaggerate for effect" tends to make an absolute loving mess of a discussion, as people try to puzzle out why you're saying things that are both false and entirely unreasonable just for the sake of dumb shock value.

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Oct 27, 2010

Cicero posted:

I don't think that was a serious accusation, they were just being insulting

Well, don't throw out bullshit accusations for the sake of being insulting. D&D doesn't need people making up inflammatory fiction about each other.

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Oct 27, 2010
The content of the email doesn't really matter.

The core issue is that GoDaddy's employees are in an economic situation such that a plausible-sounding $600 bonus goes right into "CLICK THIS RIGHT NOW" territory.

Like, it's a legit subject for a phishing test, because an actual scammer can dangle money just fine. But the solution for people biting on offers of money isn't retraining, it's paying them more in the first place.

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Oct 27, 2010

BiggerBoat posted:

This is a great point.

Software updates are loving constant and have a way of eventually crippling the devices they're designed to run on because the speed of software innovation outpaces the hardware on whatever it is you're using.

Also, what are everyone's thoughts on the telehealth thing? NPR did a segment on it today and it seems most people would still much prefer to actually visit a doctor, myself included, especially if it's something more than just having a sore throat or some poo poo. I'm afraid it will become the new norm and I worry about older people who need doctors the most who may not be up to speed on the smart phone video calls and poo poo. I bet it's a loving nightmare for them when just having to visit a doctor in the first place for whatever ails them probably already sucks poo poo.

It will likely cut down on costs to providers but there's no way that patients will ever see any of that savings. I don't like it. Seeing my shrink or attending virtual AA meetings kind of defeat the point for me but I think that's where we're headed.

I don't think telehealth is going to replace in-person doctoring. If anything, the goal is for it to become part of the pipeline to in-person doctoring, dragging people into the system to rack up further bills.

The theory is that since telehealth is easier and quicker than regular doctor's appointments, people might be more willing to schedule them for things they might bother setting up a real doctor's appointment for, allowing the medical system to collect some money for things that otherwise would have gone unseen. It becomes a funnel to draw people into the system.

But if it turns out your issue isn't obviously minor enough to be be solved with over-the-counter medicine or a basic catch-all prescription, then all the telehealth doctor can really do is tell you to come see a real doctor - often an urgent care or ER. So in the case of a real issue, the medical system at large gets paid for the telehealth, and then gets paid for the actual in-person visit the telehealth doc tells you to make.

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Oct 27, 2010
Let's look at the two possibilities for the Mastodon lawsuit:
  1. Trump's handlers bury a tiny "source code here" link somewhere in their site's fine print, quietly burying the issue, or
  2. after a long-fought high-profile lawsuit, judges bring the issue to the national headlines by suddenly invalidating the GPL, a license that's been in full industry use and legally enforced for more than three decades, because they love Trump so much that they want to spare him the trouble of taking the relatively simple fix above

Somehow, 1 seems a little more likely than 2. After all, it's not like Trump is having some kind of crusade against copyleft or anything. He just wants his base to think his team built the site themselves. Fighting a high-profile lawsuit all the way to the Supreme Court, only for a judge to rule that he used Mastodon's code but doesn't have to follow the license terms, seems like it would only draw more attention to the very part he doesn't want attention on.

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Oct 27, 2010
It's gonna be real interesting to see the specifics of that deal, because Tesla's total production output in 2020 was barely 500k vehicles. So the Hertz deal is probably somewhere between one-third and one-fifth of Tesla's entire yearly Model 3 production. How long is it even going to take them to deliver that?

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Oct 27, 2010

Mister Facetious posted:

So they hired the AI ethics people Google fired right?

They hired the people Google fired, right?

Nope. They hired Accenture's senior Responsible AI researcher and Facebook's technical head of privacy.

And on top of that, this team is explicitly a advisory research group with no authority to force change. All they can do is make suggestions, which the engineers are free to ignore with no consequences.

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What the META team doesn't have is serious enforcement power. They say they don't want it at the moment — "You can't really drive change through fear of enforcement, but for long-term investment in change you do much better by growing education," according to Williams — but at the end of the day, META is a knowledge-creating team, not a police force. While they can research and propose changes, they cannot necessarily force other teams to fall into line. Their work is democratic, not authoritarian.

"There's a life cycle to enacting change," Williams explained. "You have to focus on enhancement; your first iteration or two is more on monitoring than it is on auditing. This as a concept is so new that focusing very directly on discipline and enforcement, you can't really drive change through fear."

"Ethics is literally about the world of unintended consequences. We're talking about engineers who are well-mentioned in trying to build something who didn't have the background or education," Chowdhury said. "We're talking to people who wanted to do the right thing and didn't know how to do the right thing."

Chowdhury reads widely as a way of processing her thoughts — she cited countless books and papers during our conversation — and she sees herself creating a leadership style through a feminist lens. Rather than punishing or controlling the people she works with, her definition of leadership is about finding ways to share resources and power, not keep it for herself. Seeking enforcement authority would oppose that kind of leadership definition. "I worry very much about the consolidation of ruthless authority," she said.

Many of the researchers and leaders in the ethical machine-learning worlds believe that working inside a tech company and accepting a role as an adviser (rather than an enforcer) makes the work useless. That idea frustrated Chowdhury, Williams and Font, all of whom kept returning to the idea that you can't make real progress if you're forever apart from the industry you're critiquing. "Everyone outside the industry is pointing their fingers at you as if you are the problem. You are trying your best to do your job and do a good job and people are like, you are fundamentally unethical because you take a paycheck from them," Chowdhury said.

"But the goal of META is not to be this shining example of finger-pointing where we get to be the good guys while throwing our company under the bus," she added. "That's actually not very productive if our goal is to change the industry and drive the industry toward actionable positive output."

i don't exactly have high hopes for this approach

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Oct 27, 2010

How are u posted:

:psyduck:

I feel like making video games that are fun and selling them to people who want to play them are the future of the video game industry. What is it about blockchain that burrows into people's brains and makes them say dumb poo poo like this?

The future of the videogame industry is endless microtransactions, with collectibles, cosmetics, and gachas constantly tempting players to keep coming back to the game every day to be bombarded with opportunities to feed money into the system.

Shouldn't be hard to see where crypto bullshit fits into that.

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Oct 27, 2010

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

As someone that got yelled at once when passing through Oregon for trying to pump my own gas, yeah it's real.

It's really loving weird.

Maybe it's a low key jobs program?

Originally, all gas stations were full-service with the gas being pumped for you. The development of reliable gas pumps and various safety improvements made self-service viable, and various economic pressures made it competitive: by firing the attendants and making drivers pump their own gas, self-service gas stations could lower prices and undercut their full-service competitors. When oil prices rose in the 70s, that was the deathblow for full-service, as gas stations all over the country fired their attendants in order to try to counteract the big rise in the sticker price of gas.

The exception is in NJ and Oregon, which banned self-service gas in 1949 and 1951 respectively. Officially, the point of the laws was safety, and the explanation was convincing enough for the NJ Supreme Court to uphold the law. Many have suggested that it was actually protectionism, with Big Full-Service lobbying the legislature to pass laws protecting the inefficient full-service stations that were unable to compete with the cheaper self-service stations. Personally, I'd say both are credible explanations - pumping your own gas wasn't as easy or as safe in 1949 as it is now, but it's usually fair to assume that lobbyists had a hand in something.

Either way, those laws surviving all the way to 2021 likely has a lot to do with economic issues, though politicians in both states are quick to say that residents seem to genuinely prefer full-service as well.

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Oct 27, 2010
It's worth noting that Uber is subject to a very different financial context from standard taxi companies: they can operate without regard for profit. Q3 2021 was Uber's first profitable quarter ever, after accumulating more than $22 billion in losses over the course of more than a decade. With investors keeping them afloat, Uber and Lyft are free to experiment without worrying too much about costs or revenue impact.

That's how they've managed to implement innovative systems and unusual side projects while still maintaining price parity with standard taxis or even undercutting them. The taxi industry certainly has been stuck in its ways, but having to operate at a profit has also restricted its ability to change things compared to Uber.

I'm bringing this up, because Uber is commonly cited as an success for innovation and deregulation, but to me it looks more like a sign that an organization has more freedom to focus on improving service and creating a more efficient system when it's subsidized and doesn't have to worry about being run for profit. Which sounds like a sign that we should be putting more money into publicly-run transit systems!

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Oct 27, 2010

PT6A posted:

Uber's success is innovation, not deregulation. They want to convince you that it's both at the same time, but it's all about the app, and there was never any real obstacle to taxi companies getting together and saying "hey, let's do this" other than the fact they thought they didn't need to.

The de-regulation had utility inasmuch as it allowed a bunch of assholes to crack a restricted industry and prove that their way works better, but it's not a necessary condition to provide most of the benefits of apps like Uber or Lyft.

The key to Uber's success isn't the app, it's pretending that drivers are independent contractors and making them provide their own vehicles. The massive potential workforce this enables is crucial to their quality of service.

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Oct 27, 2010

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

No, I'm pretty sure the success is the app. No actual consumer cares one bit on the employment details of the guy driving.. Everyone cared a huge amount they made taxis a thing where you click a map then it charges your credit card seamlessly instead of taxis being a weird complicated set of antagonistic interactions from start to finish

The employment structure is how Uber eliminated the antagonistic interactions from the taxi system. They're able to fire workers practically at a whim, allowing them to maintain a tyrannical system in which drivers are desperate to maintain customer satisfaction lest they be fired at Uber's whim. Even fast food companies, notorious for high turnover and quick firings due to a large potential workforce, can't just fire anyone whose customer satisfaction rating falls below 4.6 out of 5. Uber's independent contractor model allows them to easily maintain significantly more active workers than they need in an area without incurring extra costs, which not only helps to maintain quick service but also makes individual workers extremely disposable. The secret to ensuring absolutely no bullshit whatsoever from the drivers isn't the app - it's the employment environment Uber created in which they have overwhelming power against the driver.

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Oct 27, 2010

BigRed0427 posted:

The gently caress? Why? Why is that loving possible?

They weren't completely locked out. The key still worked. But since they could unlock the car via the Tesla app, many owners stopped bothering to carry their physical keys around, since they already had something in their pocket that could unlock the car.

The app doesn't directly communicate with the car, though. It sends the request via the internet to Tesla's servers, and then Tesla's servers authenticate it and forward it along to the car. If Tesla's servers go down, then everyone who didn't bring their backup physical key with them is in trouble.

It's just another example of how Tesla designs stuff that tends to fail poorly, and then markets it in a way that leads users to overly rely on the best-case scenario and neglect backup options.

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Oct 27, 2010

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Is this post based on confusing this with the Facebook thing, or is someone actually trying to take a black excellence in technology conferences software down a peg?

Take THAT black creators! Your online covid canceled conference replacement software looks bad. Owned!

Roughly thirty seconds after Facebook announced their Metaverse product, "metaverse" has become the media's favorite phrase for every single even slightly virtual experience, even if it's 00s-tier "walk an avatar around" stuff. There's professional thinkers around every corner acting like they've never seen a website before in their lives as they furiously bang out tens of thousands of words on the amazing potential of metaverses everywhere.

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Oct 27, 2010

Sagacity posted:

Perhaps they did some market research and it seems like an investment that'll pay off to them?

In the B2B technology market, there's a lot of weird poo poo that gets sold because it appeals to the top execs who sign the checks and make the purchasing decisions, even though the line employees who'll be forced to use the stuff will absolutely hate it. This Metaverse stuff sounds like the perfect example. The C-levels will love the idea of screwing around in VR during their meetings, at least for a few weeks...and that'll be enough to get them to buy several hundred VR headsets for the whole company along with a year-long subscription to something, regardless of whether it's any use to the people who do actual work. "Is it useful?" and "will top executives buy it?" often have different answers.

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Oct 27, 2010

How are u posted:

Play to... earn??

Imagine if there were capped numbers of good items in MMORPGs, and once that cap is hit, the only way to get your hands on those items is to buy them from other people. Also, imagine that instead of using an in-game currency, the game only uses outside currencies like Bitcoin and Etherium or a bespoke cryptocurrency, so it's encouraged to plow real money into buying the currencies necessary to engage in these inter-player sales.

Now imagine crypto nerds and MMO poopsockers being able to tell their parents that they're spending eighteen hours a day grinding out MMO items as an investment, and that all that videogame time will surely lead them to massive profits in the player economy.

Of course, in the end it boils down to the same dilemma as every other crypto scam - if the whole system is designed around letting early adopters and dedicated devotees hoard up the vast majority of the stuff while forcing later adopters and casual dabblers to buy it from that first gen at a huge markup, well...how many people do you really expect to get in on the bottom rung of Pyramid Scheme: The Game? Play-to-earn is basically play-to-win, except that instead of paying the game maker to not have a miserable experience, you have to pay the older players.

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Oct 27, 2010

Sage Grimm posted:

Which is already happening in the Philippines and Argentina through essentially gold-farming schemes. Except of needing just computer and internet access, you also need someone to stake the initial ~$1500 USD to get started.

And of course we've got someone trying to make a Roblox-style scheme work except that it appears they want their content-creator base to pay for every asset, every plot of land, and every gacha-like modifier to participate in their ecosystem. When the thing they're aping already has issues with exploitation, I can't imagine this ever getting off the ground without insane levels of investment from the parent company seeking out partnerships. Just like Atari has (sure, expected from a company pretending to be still doing video games) or brands like the Smurfs (?) and the Care Bears (?????).

Yeah, but imagine if there was a cap on the total amount of gold that could exist in the game at once, or on the total amount that can be generated gamewide in a given time period. So if people gold farm hard enough then they could literally own all the gold in the game, making it impossible to get gold except by buying it from gold farmers, who could use their monopoly on gold to charge insane prices. That's what crypto bros want to do - take the exploitative dynamics that already exist in gaming-for-profit, and add even more artificial scarcity to further increase the power of the sellers by allowing them to outright monopolize rare items.

Of course, in practice, it suffers from the same issue as every other dream of making stuff based around crypto: it's so focused on creating theoretical massive profit opportunities for the haves that there's no thought given to preserving the fun for the have-nots. In practice, most people will abandon the game as soon as the supply of useful stuff gets bottlenecked enough that have-nots are forced to buy their stuff from the haves. Which of course tanks the value of all that carefully-hoarded stuff, and likely causes the game itself to die out as well.

This leads to the second, much less realistic, pillar of crypto-based pay-to-earn: storing the items on the blockchain so that they exist independently of the game, so that people can retain their item hoards even after the game dies out.

Sometimes the idea is that even though the NFTs are no longer connected to a useful item, they will become collectibles because the game that issued them no longer exists, or something. I can see game companies getting into that, honestly - it's no problem of theirs if it turns out no one wants to buy those item NFTs from the rubes who paid out for them.

Sometimes the idea is that games will create ingame items only accessible to people with NFTs from other games, allowing them to take their collection of hoarded items from game to game: getting bonuses from each one, and using those advantages to farm up even more items in the new games, building up an incredible dragon's hoard of items from a variety of games that allow them to be incredibly powerful in all NFT games forever or sell off that ultimate gaming power to other people for megabucks. This is pretty much just fantasy, and there's no incentive for game devs to cater to that fantasy unless they're scammers seeking to quickly lure in easy marks.

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Oct 27, 2010

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

It's honestly actually kinda surprising there isn't some indie game API to make some shared dumb database. Like dead cells now has weapons from hollownight, shovelknight is in everything, the crypto part would be pointless but "get a sword in this game, it shows up as a bonus skin in these other games" feels like it'd be a standardized thing by now. For that sort of game.

There's not really much reason for a dev to give players bonus poo poo for buying games made by different devs. And there's even less reason to restrict it only to the smaller subset of players who've obtained a particular item or cleared a particular hurdle in that other game.

As a general rule of thumb, an indie dev wants to devote their resources to making stuff for the people who bought their game and played it, instead of rewarding people who bought some other game and played it.

It's been done occasionally, but there isn't enough demand to build a whole framework around it. It usually involves a $$$ cross-promotional marketing deal, not just something devs do for the hell of it.

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Oct 27, 2010

Motronic posted:

Well that was quick.

CommieGIR posted:

Literally started hours after the announcement. Twitter is effectively dead as a way to expose the Alt-Right.

I know that article confirms everyone's preconceived notions about the new Twitter changes this week, but it's two months old, and therefore doesn't have anything at all to do with this week's Twitter changes.

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Oct 27, 2010

Mercury_Storm posted:

Like Crain, I also greatly disagree with this. Right wing propaganda is many times easier and cheaper to spread, and people seem to take to it like heroin. I would love if facts and logic would have an equal shot by default but this has not been the case.

It's not that right-wing propaganda is easier to spread, it's that emotional clickbait that promotes a black-and-white view of the world and makes people furious is easy to spread, especially if it plays to existing distrust of systems and convinces people they know the secrets The Man isn't telling you.

Left-wing propaganda that plays to the same themes spreads reasonably well. The problem is that leftist propaganda playing to those themes is less effective.

Conservative ideologies calling for a maintenance of the status quo with only slight alterations, or a return to an idealized version of the past, fundamentally have an easier time spreading via vague messages of hate and distrust.

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Oct 27, 2010
Court documents have given us a glimpse at how hosed-up and abusable Youtube's automated copyright management system is:
https://twitter.com/torrentfreak/status/1466728172918128645

Two men formed a fake music company, and managed to convince a company that handles Youtube copyright claims that they were the real publishers and copyright holders of over 50k music tracks. That company then helped them use Content ID to claim all monetization payments from anyone who used any of that music on Youtube - including the actual creators, owners, and copyright holders of that music. They pulled in more than $20 million of monetization payments that should have gone to the actual artists, and despite plenty of complaints to Youtube, were able to keep doing it for four years before any consequences appeared.

Interestingly, there's no word of them getting booted from Youtube, nor is there any indication of whether Youtube's going to do to compensate the victims. The reaction is instead coming in the form of a grand jury indictment for various federal crimes (conspiracy, wire fraud, money laundering, and identity theft).

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Oct 27, 2010

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

You don't have to worry about that anyway. Franchises are under strict requirements to call themselves McDonald's. As I., Don't have X item on the menu screen by Tuesday? Your not a McDonald's anymore. Don't have all the signage updated to x standard? You lose your McDonald's name.

It's nuts, and for the most part forces the owners of the franchise into very low profit margins due to constant new standards to adhere to.


I wanted to become a franchisee for a Popeyes or some poo poo but after going to a seminar and talking to others I heard people chadding it up about 4-6% profits and fuckkk that. Double digits or bust

That's about in line with restaurant profit margins in general. Paying real people to cook real food and serve it to real customers just has inherently crappy profit margins.

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Oct 27, 2010

There Bias Two posted:

Does a car even come with a terms of service agreement that can be retroactively modified?

In the case of Toyota, it wasn't retroactive. It's been in the fine print when you buy affected models all along, complete with the details and specifics of the free trial period.

The article (dunno why it wasn't linked in the first place!!!!!) is playing it up because it's the apparently the only example they could find of a non-Tesla company charging for something software-locked that wasn't tied to the mobile app or the infotainment system...

...which suggests they didn't look very hard, because there's plenty of other instances of car companies software-locking something and making people pay to unlock it. For example, Mercedes limiting the rear-wheel-drive unless you buy a $500+/yr subscription is much more relevant to the article's fears of locking basic car performance behind subscriptions.

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Oct 27, 2010

PT6A posted:

The one aspect I've not heard much about is... what are we doing to boost our electrical generation capacity to account for most vehicles being electric? We already have requests to save energy and/or brownouts whenever it's too hot or too cold, what happens when every petrol vehicle becomes electric? That's a more pressing issue than "where" in my opinion.

Typically, most EVs charge at off-peak times when energy use is lower, not peak times when the grid is being pushed to its limit. So it's not as big an issue as you'd think.

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Oct 27, 2010

Baronash posted:

I think some of your underlying assumptions are wrong. Online communities in the 90s and 00s were shaped by moderation. By the early 2000s, you even had tv shows making jokes about draconian modding of discussion forums. There were some notable exceptions, such as 4chan, but the pseudo-libertarian approach came much later. The mid-to-late 2000s is when you really started to see websites begin to abrogate their responsibility to moderate content on their platforms, with the rise of sites like Reddit (still moderated, but just at the community level with few site-wide restrictions) and the explosion of social media. Social media may have pre-dated Facebook and Twitter, but the News Feed/Twitter Feed concept was a radical departure from what came before, and it has shaped the platforms that have arisen since.

My point is that websites like Twitter and Facebook pursued a hands-off moderation style with the window dressing of "free speech," but it was actually just a decision motivated by maximizing profit: Facebook's own data says that extremist content increases engagement and keeping it off the platform when you are aiming for a billion users requires a massive content review team. I think it's important to remember that it actually hasn't always been this way, and that it is permissible (some might even say morally necessary) for these large platforms to moderate their content.

I think it's even deeper than that - it's a shift to a decentralized, anything-goes siloed approach.

It's an overall migration from a "this is my site and my community and I as the owner am responsible for keeping it clean" to "we're just a ~platform~, everyone can go make their own communities and run them how they want, and our job is mostly to keep those communities separate". It's a philosophy built around "don't like it, don't read it". It starts with stuff like Reddit which focuses heavily on dividing the site into completely separate subcommunities with no central oversight, and then comes the rise of algorithmic platforms built specifically to try to give everyone their own personal echo chamber where they only see what they want to see.

It's not a clean-cut split, since there were platforms built around encouraging subcommunities from the start, but it's become far more mainstream now. That way of thinking has even spread into old-web mainstays; SA is certainly a lot more about "every forum and thread is its own separate little subcommunity" (complete with hands-off admins leaving them to self-police) than it was a decade ago.

The thing is, I don't think all this was originally intended to encourage radicalization. The basic concept of showing people stuff they want to see regardless of their interests, instead of trying to pursue a single content stream with wide appeal, makes sense - especially in the heyday of stuff like Cracked Dot Com. And I'm sure that using algorithms to silo objectionable content so that only people who want to see it can see it, instead of using moderators to remove it completely, comes with double benefits since it not only cuts human moderation costs but also retains those objectionable groups as a niche audience that's easy to appeal to since they're rejected from most other outlets. The various feedback effects that have come to light since then, such as the high engagement rate of controversy and extremism causing the algorithm to preferentially push it, were probably unexpected...but as long as the money kept flowing, the platforms weren't especially bothered by it.

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Oct 27, 2010

PT6A posted:

What happens when every car in America is scheduled to charge from midnight to 6, rather than a handful? Does our grid still handle that without problems, over a heatwave or a cold snap where heating/AC is still running overnight?

I don't know if it is a problem, but I haven't seen any numbers saying it's definitely not going to be an issue and it seems like something we should probably consider given incidents like in Texas last winter.

The Texas grid problems were because their power generation equipment wasn't winterized and a significant portion of it froze, and also because Texas intentionally isolated their power grid from the rest of the country so they wouldn't be subject to federal regulation.

Power generation will need to be scaled up somewhat to handle electric cars, but the ability to schedule charging to off-peak times when power usage is at its minimum will help a LOT, especially as electric car usage slowly ramps up.

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Oct 27, 2010

Tuxedo Gin posted:

It's funny because they paid money for what amounts to a third party turning their bank statement into an Instagram "memories of the year" post but on the blockchain! and then, of course since this is crypto, the third party was a scammer and did a pump and dump

It was also supposed to give people tokens based on how high the numbers on their "memories of the year" post were that year. The more active you were on NFT marketplaces, the more tokens you'd get.

Which is a pretty obvious warning sign that someone's targeting whales, but hey, no one said crypto folks weren't gullible.

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Oct 27, 2010

Arsenic Lupin posted:

https://twitter.com/ThePracticalDev/status/1477452084693942284

I hate the human race. (The article is about "dark patterns" to force users to turn Javascript on.)

Unironically posting a joke article from a teenager's blog here as something to complain about sure is an interesting negative anecdote about social media and human nature, but the teenager isn't the one who comes out of it looking the worst.

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Oct 27, 2010

BiggerBoat posted:

What would the thread say about tech's overall impact on the quality of news and journalism? Better, worse or the same?

On the subject of journalism specifically...

I'd say the overall impact is negative, because of a factor even more fundamental: the ability to know exactly how many people were interested enough to look at any given article, exactly how many people read through the whole article, and exactly how many people decided to send the article to someone else.

Of course, it's been possible to kind of estimate that by looking at paper sales or TV viewership at particular times. But the data online is far more granular, and breaks down to the specific article level. That really has an impact on the incentive structure of news, driving things toward clickbait, misleading headlines, and controversial opinion pieces.

Combine that with the ability to publish instantly at any time of the day, without even waiting for the 7pm news, and reporters are incentivized to rush in a constant battle for scoops and rumors that might get people stirred up.



On the subject of news as a whole, it's a mixed bag. It breaks our dependence on well-funded mainstream news organizations, which can be both a blessing (see: much better info about police shootings) and a curse (conspiracy alt-media can click-farm even better than mainstream news).

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Oct 27, 2010

Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:

the tunnels are short enough now as designed that they can be ventilated by just moving cars through them, and picking up fresh air at the stations which are only a few minutes stroll apart at best. there is one underground station and both other ends of the tunnel are open air

if the tunnels were longer, the narrowness of their diameter would be a much larger problem in terms of ventilation, for lack of space to put in-tunnel fans and such

you can see the length of the entire system here, its quite tiny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUoZCUqbCNg

Relying solely on the piston effect has important implications in the case of a service-stopping emergency.

Let's take a look at what conditions look like after a British subway crash:

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Platform 9 was 21 metres (70 ft) underground, and fire and ambulance crews had to carry all the equipment they needed through the station and down to the scene of the accident. The depth at which they were operating, and the shielding effect of the soil and concrete, meant their radios could not get through to the surface. Messages and requests for further supplies were passed by runners, which led to mistakes: one doctor requested further supplies of the pain-killing gas Entonox, but by the time the request reached the surface, it had been garbled to "the doctor wants an empty box".[38][39] The fire brigade deployed a small team with "Figaro", an experimental radio system that worked in deep locations.[34] Working conditions for the emergency services became increasingly difficult throughout the day.[34] The crash had thrown soot and dirt into the air from the sand drag, and from between the two metal layers of the tube carriages. Everything was covered with a thick layer of the residue which was easily disturbed.[40] The lamps and cutting gear used by the fire brigade raised the temperature to over 49 °C (120 °F) and oxygen levels began to drop. In the deep lines at Moorgate, ventilation is produced by the piston effect, created by trains forcing air through the tube lines. With services stopped since the crash, no fresh air was reaching platforms 9 and 10.[41] A large electric fan was placed at the top of the escalators in an attempt to remedy the situation, but soot and dirt was disturbed and little draught was created; the machine was soon turned off.[42]

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The use of the flame cutting equipment had a detrimental effect on the atmosphere on the platform. Oxygen levels dropped from the norm of 21 per cent to 16 per cent and the smell of decomposition from the bodies trapped in the wreckage was noticed by workers.[49] Those working on the platform or tunnel were restricted to 20-minute spells working, followed by 40 minutes' recovery time on the surface. All workers had to wear gloves and masks; any cuts had to be reported, and no-one with a cut was allowed to be involved in the extrication of a body.[50] Temperatures improved after a company donated an air conditioning unit, which was installed at ground level, and the air piped down into the tunnel.[51]

And that was at a subway station with an exit to the surface right there, in a system with larger tunnels than the Boring Company builds, and the train never caught fire.

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https://twitter.com/BleepinComputer/status/1480182019854327808

Some popular open source JS libraries run by Marak Squires were updated with seemingly malicious code that would cause any project using them to output "LIBERTY LIBERTY LIBERTY" and the American flag over and over again in an infinite loop, blocking other functionality.

The natural assumption was that his accounts were hacked (compromises of widely-used libraries have been a growing problem in recent years), and Github suspended his account while NPM rolled the libraries back to previous known-good versions. So there's been some debate about the ethics of the platforms doing this. Do they have the right to lock him out of his accounts and roll back changes that his accounts made?

However, a little digging around brings up a Github issue post from November 2020 titled No more free work from Marak - Pay Me or Fork This, in which he complains that corporations are using his freely available open-source libraries and not paying him a six-figure salary. Given that he's been on social media yet hasn't commented at all on the library compromises, people naturally moved to the assumption that the damaging code commits were intentional, perhaps a method of striking back against what he sees as ungrateful users of his free software. So that of course sparks a lively debate on the economics of free open source software, the ethics of people using free software in for-profit applications, whether the platforms have the right to prevent him from intentionally screwing over his users on his way out, and so on.

So that kinda raises some interesting questions, overall! Probably the one I'm most interested in is one that's increasingly becoming a problem in the library-driven tech industry: if someone's made a very popular tool that's automatically incorporated into a lot of software, what happens if they decide to take their ball and go home? Does it matter whether they simply yank the package as the left_pad author did a few years back or push a change that actively sabotages users?

What about selling the package to someone else, who may very well be a malicious software writer themselves? Does the platform it was published on have the right to undelete the package or rollback the breaking change? What if it's open-source software that anyone can fork or duplicate, does that change the answer to the previous question?

It's a complex ethical landscape, overall. There's balancing programmer rights vs user rights (or whether they have any at all) vs platform rights, there's the question of how open sourcing (which involves the programmer giving up many of their rights and controls) affects things, there's the question of whether the considerable real-world harm makes a hardline "the users should suck it up" stance troublesome...there's really a lot there!

 

As for some side context that isn't really relevant to the philosophical questions here, Marak first started complaining about unpaid use of his libraries shortly after a reclusive programmer and crypto investor named Marak Squires showed up in the news for accidentally setting his apartment on fire while building bombs. Rumor has it that his insurance refused to pay for the damage (I suspect bombmaking accidents aren't covered), and Marak claimed to have lost access to his gold stockpile in the aftermath of the fire.

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BiggerBoat posted:

So am I in the minority thinking that huge TV screens and the ubiquity of cell phones are directly responsible for this?

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-technology-health-business-transportation-67e41529c766edf0c2d7a2c12a377bb4

There's no mention in this article about phone usage or a big screen TV's in every car yet I see this constantly effecting people's driving every damned day. More talk of mandatory breathalyzers even though nothing in the statistics cite impaired driving as a cause of the rise in car fatalities.

The spike they're talking about is one that began in 2020. In 2017-2019, the number of traffic fatalities fell each year, only to suddenly shoot up in 2020. And although we don't have 2021 full-year numbers yet, early indications are that the rise has continued.

Economic shifts and the resulting social effects have a huge impact on the traffic fatality rate. The three top single-year declines in traffic fatalities since WWII were all in major recession years: 1974, 1982, and 2008. And the NHTSA itself credits the 2008 decline to economic factors: the younger generations who were most likely to lose their jobs in the Great Recession also tended to be the riskiest drivers, so when they lost their jobs and stopped driving as much, there were a lot fewer major accidents.

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Examination of the 2007 and 2008 FARS data shows that the fatality declines were driven by significant reductions in fatalities in crashes involving younger drivers 16 to 24 years old. Also, there were significant reductions in the number of children 15 and younger killed in traffic crashes. The reductions in fatalities in crashes involving younger drivers manifest significantly in corresponding reductions in multiple-vehicle crashes and those occurring during the weekend.

In 2008, there were an estimated 57,000 fewer young drivers 16 to 24 years old involved in injury crashes, about a 7.3-percent decline from 2007. This decline was statistically significant (α=.05). In comparison, drivers 25 and older involved in injury crashes declined by about 4.6 percent. This decline was also statistically significant. There were significant declines across both age groups in drivers involved in injury crashes during the weekend, although the magnitude of the decline was greater for the younger drivers (13.6% decline versus 8.3% decline). Declines were seen across both age groups in drivers involved in multiple-vehicle injury crashes, although the decline among the younger drivers was not statistically significant.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics has reported on the younger workforce in the United States having significantly higher rates of unemployment as compared to older age groups. It seems reasonable to suggest that this has probably had a big impact in the travel, both discretionary and non-discretionary, among young drivers.

Fatality declines mirror the change in unemployment rates in the MSAs. MSAs were put into three categories based on the percent change in the rate of unemployment, with the bottom third representing the MSAs that had the largest percent increase in the rate of unemployment. Fatalities declined by about 12.4 percent in MSAs that were in the bottom third from 2007 to 2008. The corresponding change for MSAs in the middle third and upper third were 8.7 percent and 8.2 percent, respectively. There were also big disparities in fatality reductions among MSAs within a State. This was probably a reflection of the varying degrees to which the recent recession has affected various urban areas within a State.

In conclusion, the significant decline in fatalities in 2008 was driven by large decreases in crashes involving young drivers, multiple-vehicle crashes, and crashes occurring during weekends. Areas that experienced greater increases in unemployment rates also recorded higher decreases in fatalities. When areas are redefined to include buffer zones, fatalities in rural areas declined more significantly than the fatalities in the urban and suburban areas.

Of course, the 2020 pandemic has caused significantly different dynamics from a normal recession, but it's still not hard to see the impacts on driving behavior. There's still not a ton of good data, but early statistics suggest that the 16-24 age group is by far the least likely to be working from home, which skews traffic toward that riskiest group as older workers drop the daily commute and set up their home offices. The general reduction in road traffic also tends to cause riskier driving behaviors, as people feel more safe and confident in the less-crowded roads and drive more aggressively as a result.

And while I can't find any studies on this yet, the massive rise in delivery orders (delivery app demand has more than doubled compared to pre-pandemic years) and online shopping is almost certainly a contributor. "Driver/sales workers and truck drivers", the BLS category that includes delivery workers of every kind, had one of the highest fatality rates even before the pandemic. Now there's way more demand for people to shuttle food and packages to people's front doorsteps in a hurry.

So to sum it all up, the social and economic dynamics of COVID have taken the safest groups of drivers off the road, while putting more and more of the riskiest groups of drivers on the road to provide and deliver services to those safe drivers sitting in their home offices.

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BiggerBoat posted:

I could very well be mistaken but I was surprised that the ubiquitous use of cell phones while driving wasn't even mentioned or looked at, either way, in those studies. My "data" is not empirical in any way but my day to day anecdotal observations reveal a LOT of people drifting into bike lanes, crossing into mine and having to make very fast stops at intersections. I'd estimate the % of "distracted drivers" at (conservatively) somewhere around 20 - 25% and these people seem even easier to spot than drunk drivers are. The way they drive is very similar.

I'd like to see some data surrounding who was texting or using their phones similar to the ones that are done for "impaired" drivers and I wonder how often that's done by insurance companies or law enforcement. Being impaired can often include people who had ANY weed/drugs in their system, were under the legal alcohol limit or who even use prescription medications of any kind - not just ones that advise you not to drive and often can't tell if the driver was on them at the time.

I have an old car but had to get a rental not too long ago and I was shocked at how distracting that center console laptop/tablet/TV really was for me. And to be fair, I DO notice a ton of people treating the roads like racetracks so I dunno.

Here's the thing: cellphones have been around for a fair few years at this point, so it's very unlikely that they were responsible for a sudden massive spike that started in 2020.

There's plenty of people studying the use of cellphones and their impact on distracted driving, but that's a longer-term trend that didn't start the year COVID came around.

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Generally if someone's a racist neo-Nazi, you can point to instances of them actually being racist. This sort of symbology-diving stuff can occasionally be useful to draw further insight into already-questionable behavior, but it's not very useful in making the case all on its own.

When an item like this is in the top of the list, it feels like they don't really have a lot to go on.

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4. The other co-founder goes by Gordon Goner, who says he picked the name because it sounds like "Joey Ramone".. being that the group frequently uses anagrams and that it doesn't at all sound like Joey Ramone, maybe this is an anagram. Sure enough its an anagram with only one solution, Drongo Negro, Drongo is common 4chan and Australian slang for stupid, its in the dictionary as such, second definition.. So, his name means "Stupid Negro." The probability of picking a name that is also a racist anagram is about 1 in 750 billion. Writers frequently use anagrams for character names and they are also often incorporated within videogames, some of which Yuga Labs have stated they play.

At the very least, it's dubious enough that it feels like a distraction from the many better-supported reasons to hate NFTs. And there's plenty of obviously-racist NFTs out there, like Floydies.

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Doggles posted:

Using suicide hotline data to help train customer service chatbots to be more sympathetic. :allears:

Even worse than that - the for-profit company was founded by the suicide hotline company as a spinoff, for the express purpose of using the gathered data for for-profit usage.

https://www.crisistextline.org/blog/2018/03/12/what-is-loris-ai/

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Over the past five years, we’ve trained 12,000+ people to demonstrate empathy and compassion in conversations with people in crisis. And they’re great at it! Our self-reported texter satisfaction rate is 85%. Crisis Counselors tell us they use these skills in other ways too–in their family life, work life, etc.

Along the way, we started hearing from companies and organizations who want to apply our training to their challenges. They’ve asked us to teach their people with the skills and confidence to navigate hard conversations.

At the same time, we’ve been thinking: “How can Crisis Text Line continue to grow at its current pace, without relying entirely on individual donors or (*shudder*) a chicken dinner fundraiser?” How can we fundraise in a way that helps us further our purpose of putting more empathy in the world?

The answer: a subsidiary for-profit venture called Loris.ai, named after a deceptively adorable venomous lemur native to Southeast Asia. (Communication skills are often categorized as soft, yet these challenging moments make-or-break a career or company. Same with the slow loris – it looks cuddly, but one wrong move and it can kill you.)

Loris.ai is a mission-driven social enterprise teaching people to have more empathy, cultural competency, and hard conversations. It turns what Crisis Text Line does best – empathy and innovation – into a means of keeping Crisis Text Line sustainable and free to users. We’re leveraging our data-informed training to build a new training that will make companies more compassionate. Maybe it’s a start-up cliché, but Loris.ai actually will make the world a better place.

Crisis Text Line is the majority shareholder in Loris.ai. We literally own it. (And we share a Founder/CEO – Nancy Lublin – so it’s all in the family.)

Beyond its future impact on its corporate clients and the potential impact on Crisis Text Line’s financial future, we foresee Loris.ai changing the not-for-profit space as a whole. We’re modeling a new path to sustainability for not-for-profits. Simply put, why sell t-shirts when you can sell the thing your organization does best?

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BiggerBoat posted:

Why does a dishwasher need to be connected to the internet? I've somehow managed without it my entire life.

What if you load your dishwasher in the morning, and then forget to turn it on? What if you don't know what water temperature and wash intensity settings to use, and need an app to tell you? Do you want a dishwasher that's smart enough to turn itself off when it's done washing your dishes? By golly, Home Connect is the dishwasher for you!

https://www.home-connect.com/global/smart-home-appliances/dishwashers

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Did you forget to turn on the dishwasher in the morning? It's no problem thanks to Home Connect. If you have activated remote start, just send the command through the app to your smart Home Connect dishwasher while you are already sitting at the office. Your clean dishes will be waiting for you when you come home. Your dishwasher will shut itself off automatically after its job is done.

You can use the app to control your WiFi-enabled dishwasher with your smartphone or table. For example, you can enter the type or degree of soiling on your tableware and the app will recommend the perfect programme. No longer do you have to worry about which wash programme to choose; your appliance automatically chooses the most efficient and energy-saving option. You can even be reminded that your dishwasher tabs are about to run out.

...in other words, it doesn't really do anything genuinely useful or interesting, but Wi-Fi chips are cheap and a lot of marketing buzzwords can be implemented in software.

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withak posted:

Sorry to interrupt the valuable IT guy website service planning discussion, but The Algorithm has started recommending products for suicidal people:

https://twitter.com/maxwellstrachan/status/1489595959197712394?t=CyDm1jXBijrp6ktDAoiRFQ&s=19

Looks like the algorithm hasn't identified a product that people are using to commit suicide. It's just noticing that a fair number of people buy certain things together, and suggesting that anyone who buys one of those things should also buy the other things. The algorithm has no idea these things are being used for suicide, and it's not treating them specially at all.

Which is a growing problem in general: most of these algorithms don't have any smarts at all, they're highly generic and treat everything equally, so they're incapable of accounting for real-world situations. That ranges from petty inconveniences, like buying a TV and getting bombarded with TV ads and recommendations for weeks afterward, to serious issues like Facebook ads' repeated discrimination scandals because they didn't think to exclude race from the auto-generated list of categories advertisers could target with.

Of course, the real problem in this case isn't the algorithm at all. It's that the human managers at Amazon are consciously choosing to keep the product listed and subject to the system's normal behaviors, even after being repeatedly warned of the issue.

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Owlofcreamcheese posted:

I feel like a huge advantage of a machine ordering system is that it could inherently speak any language the software supports if they wanted to. Like that feels like a big deal. Being able to just roll up only speaking french or spanish or chinese and expecting to have a way to interact with a drive through. Ordering food in a language you don't speak is a charming magical experience like 8-10 times that grows extremely frustrating rapidly. Speaking to siri in your native language would be a thousand times easier for a lot of people that trying to pantomime "cheese burger" to a bored teen

Is there any voice recognition software that not only supports multiple languages, but just automatically detects what language someone is speaking instead of needing to be explicitly set to a language? Given the current state of the art, I kinda doubt it.

I don't have an iPhone, but I'm pretty sure you can't just roll up and start speaking French to Siri. You have to go into a menu and change its language setting first.

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BigRed0427 posted:

Wait, what the hell did i mess?

Never thought I'd see the day Elon Musk deleted a tweet. Sad!


And I just remembered that, per the terms of a settlement with the SEC, Musk is supposed to get all his tweets approved by a Tesla lawyer before making them. That's very obviously not happening, and the SEC has so far failed to successfully enforce it in court (though it appears that the SEC still hasn't given up hope on that), but it's still funny to think about the CEO of Tesla running his Hitler meme tweets past a company lawyer.

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Mister Facetious posted:

you're not making songs with a singer that sounds like them, you're taking their actual voices as source samples, and using machine learning to copy the sound/style.
imo, this seems closer to the equivalent of stealing source code to make your own version of a similar program.

in this case, you want the one neat trick of using a sound-alike, and licensing their voice (for a lot less) as a source for your ML deepfake version.

Is that really any different from having a real human engaging in voice training to make their voice sound more like them?

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