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Jared Kush
Mar 4, 2015

by zen death robot
Since the Republican Primary thread hasn't talked about the Republican Primary for a while I figured it might be a good time for a new thread just for discussing the question: Are Trump supporters racist?

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Pannus
Mar 14, 2004

there's a variety of good reasons for voting trump, being racist is just one of them

Nagato
Apr 26, 2011

Why yes my username is the same as an autistic alien who looks like a 9 year old from an anime, why do ask?
:nyoron:
theres a good broadway musical called avenue Q, i recommend it

Mad Wack
Mar 27, 2008

"The faster you use your cooldowns, the faster you can use them again"

Nagato posted:

theres a good broadway musical called avenue Q, i recommend it

its off broadway now which means you can see it for kike 30 bucks

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005
Yes, next question

Jared Kush
Mar 4, 2015

by zen death robot
What effect do you think removing illegal immigrants and keeping them out will have on the job market? Also, what should be a higher priority: the needs of the working class or multiculturalism?

Mad Wack
Mar 27, 2008

"The faster you use your cooldowns, the faster you can use them again"
who is gonna clean my apt

huge pile of hamburger
Nov 4, 2009
TRUMP!
*click*

mannerup
Jan 11, 2004

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♬No Matter What You Do Im Gonna Get It Without Ya♬

♬ I Know You Ain't Used To A Female Alpha♬
he's building a wall to protect america from superpredators

StevePerry
Sep 5, 2003

don't stop believin

watwat posted:

TRUMP!
*click*

Jared Kush
Mar 4, 2015

by zen death robot
Another question for the liberals to pull funny faces and make farting sounds with their armpits instead of answering: How do you think immigrants who went through the process to become a legal citizen feel about the plan to give amnesty to everyone who didn't?

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



T r a v i s posted:

Another question for the liberals to pull funny faces and make farting sounds with their armpits instead of answering: How do you think immigrants who went through the process to become a legal citizen feel about the plan to give amnesty to everyone who didn't?

Good.

The route to citizenship is far to laboriously expensive and arduous for people who wish to become American citizens.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

T r a v i s posted:

What effect do you think removing illegal immigrants and keeping them out will have on the job market?

It will absolutely destroy the restaurant and hospitality industries. Also agriculture.

Jared Kush
Mar 4, 2015

by zen death robot

Thump! posted:

Good.

The route to citizenship is far to laboriously expensive and arduous for people who wish to become American citizens.

So you think that people who played by the rules don't mind when others decide that the rules don't apply to them because they are too strict?

WampaLord posted:

It will absolutely destroy the restaurant and hospitality industries. Also agriculture.

I think if that's a real possibility then it deserves to be discussed. What makes you think that would be the result?

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



T r a v i s posted:

So you think that people who played by the rules don't mind when others decide that the rules don't apply to them because they are too strict?



Yes. Most immigrants seem to support comprehensive immigration reform in this country.

Jared Kush
Mar 4, 2015

by zen death robot

Thump! posted:

Yes. Most immigrants seem to support comprehensive immigration reform in this country.

So does Donald Trump.

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

T r a v i s posted:

What effect do you think removing illegal immigrants and keeping them out will have on the job market? Also, what should be a higher priority: the needs of the working class or multiculturalism?

it will shrink the economy and reduce wages in most sectors

the paradigm shift
Jan 18, 2006

T r a v i s posted:

Since the Republican Primary thread hasn't talked about the Republican Primary for a while I figured it might be a good time for a new thread just for discussing the question: Are Trump supporters racist?

yes op, hth

the paradigm shift
Jan 18, 2006

T r a v i s posted:

Another question for the liberals to pull funny faces and make farting sounds with their armpits instead of answering: How do you think immigrants who went through the process to become a legal citizen feel about the plan to give amnesty to everyone who didn't?

Depends on how big of an rear end in a top hat the person is I'd imagine

Trash Trick
Apr 17, 2014

Everyone's racist.

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

the_paradigm_shift posted:

Depends on how big of an rear end in a top hat the person is I'd imagine

i love the incredibly stupid idea that being a legal immigrant is somehow harder than being an illegal one

Jared Kush
Mar 4, 2015

by zen death robot

babypolis posted:

it will shrink the economy and reduce wages in most sectors

Why do you think this would happen?

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008

trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump
They're pretty much all racist, but racism isn't always the primary reason they support Trump. There are also a healthy contingents of people that support him because they're authoritarians and he's the biggest swinging dick on stage

NutritiousSnack
Jul 12, 2011

babypolis posted:

it will shrink the economy and reduce wages in most sectors
What?


Everyone agrees it would increase wages by a large amount exactly. The problem is food prices would soar.

Brannock
Feb 9, 2006

by exmarx
Fallen Rib

Hey man how about we send you our 2% poorest and least educated people? Should be no problem right? You aren't allowed to deport them or restrict entrance btw

NutritiousSnack posted:

The problem is food prices would soar.

No it wouldn't, wages are a very low percentage of the cost that goes into food prices.

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

T r a v i s posted:

Why do you think this would happen?

well heres my logic:

lets say trump deports every single illegal immigrant. 11 million people leave the economy suddenly. as a result of the loss of labor supply wages in the service and agricultural go up. prices also go up. consumption is reduced significantly both from the increase in prices and the sudden exit of a bunch of people from the economy. this shrinks the economy and reduces wages in most other sectors of the economy. its not a cleat cut case because the increased wages and lessened tax burden would offset some of the loss of consumption, but i believe the result would be overall negative

Brannock posted:

Hey man how about we send you our 2% poorest and least educated people? Should be no problem right? You aren't allowed to deport them or restrict entrance btw

as ive said before i got nothing agaisnt the us enforcing the border. but deporting every single illegal immigrant, some of which have been in the us for many years and have very little ties to mexico, would solve nothing, create a humanitarian crisis, and make basically everyone worse off

babypolis has issued a correction as of 18:07 on Feb 15, 2016

Jared Kush
Mar 4, 2015

by zen death robot

babypolis posted:

well heres my logic:

lets say trump deports every single illegal immigrant. 11 million people leave the economy suddenly. as a result of the loss of labor supply wages in the service and agricultural go up. prices also go up. consumption is reduced significantly both from the increase in prices and the sudden exit of a bunch of people from the economy. this shrinks the economy and reduces wages in most other sectors of the economy. its not a cleat cut case because the increased wages and lessened tax burden would offset some of the loss of consumption, but i believe the result would be overall negative


as ive said before i got nothing agaisnt the us enforcing the border. but deporting every single illegal immigrant, some of which have been in the us for many years and have very little ties to mexico, would solve nothing, create a humanitarian crisis, and make basically everyone worse off

You forgot to factor in the large portion of earnings by illegals that is sent back to their country of origin rather than reinvested in the US economy.

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

T r a v i s posted:

You forgot to factor in the large portion of earnings by illegals that is sent back to their country of origin rather than reinvested in the US economy.

you are right, that would also offset the loss in consumption, as i said its not a clear cut case. but i still believe it would result in a net loss for the country

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008

babypolis posted:

you are right, that would also offset the loss in consumption, as i said its not a clear cut case. but i still believe it would result in a net loss for the country
You're right. It's preferable to let undocumented migrants work for criminally low wages.

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

the trump tutelage posted:

You're right. It's preferable to let undocumented migrants work for criminally low wages.

i think some form of amnesty for law abiding, longtime residents, combined with legal protections, and continued border enforcement, would be the best possible solution and result in a net gain for america

Baku
Aug 20, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

the trump tutelage posted:

You're right. It's preferable to let undocumented migrants work for criminally low wages.

Obviously that's a bad scenario, but I'm also not sure why a bunch of people paying illegals 2 bucks an hour or whatever would go "ya got me" and pay Americans 8 bucks an hour to do the same jobs or why Americans would suddenly be content to pick fruit for minimum wage if we spent tons of tax money finding and mass deporting illegals.

It seems more likely that all the places they worked would just go out of business.

Immortan
Jun 6, 2015

by Shine

babypolis posted:

you are right, that would also offset the loss in consumption, as i said its not a clear cut case. but i still believe it would result in a net loss for the country

This is because you're stupid & an ideologue.

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe

Zombies' Downfall posted:

Obviously that's a bad scenario, but I'm also not sure why a bunch of people paying illegals 2 bucks an hour or whatever would go "ya got me" and pay Americans 8 bucks an hour to do the same jobs or why Americans would suddenly be content to pick fruit for minimum wage if we spent tons of tax money finding and mass deporting illegals.

It seems more likely that all the places they worked would just go out of business.

Wages usually make up less than 2 percent of the average industry's operating costs, including agriculture.

The industrial corporate farms that the US has now can easily afford to pay a living wage and provide decent conditions.

I think that illegal immigrants should be deported because I am a racist. Even though I'm a legal immigrant who donates my time to helping people from the developing world apply to immigrate to the United States legally, including from Africa and the Middle East.

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

Immortan posted:

This is because you're stupid & an ideologue.

lol i seriously doubt your incredibly ignorant rear end knows anything about economics or how the world works in general

Trash Trick
Apr 17, 2014

Immortan posted:

This is because you're stupid & an ideologue.

How now, there's no need to get rude and nasty about it.

Trash Trick
Apr 17, 2014

babypolis posted:

lol i seriously doubt your incredibly ignorant rear end knows anything about economics or how the world works in general

Wow, come on guys, please be civil with one another.

Immortan
Jun 6, 2015

by Shine

babypolis posted:

lol i seriously doubt your incredibly ignorant rear end knows anything about economics or how the world works in general

Says the Bernie supporter. :ironicat:

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

Immortan posted:

Says the Bernie supporter. :ironicat:

the imf proved that redistribution has no negative effects on the economy, but inequeality reduces economic growth. in light of those facts supporting a socialist is completely logical. you like trump because you like that he swings his dick around a lot

stoutfish
Oct 8, 2012

by zen death robot
*counts numbers of words in title*

*laffs*

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Immortan
Jun 6, 2015

by Shine

babypolis posted:

the imf proved that redistribution has no negative effects on the economy, but inequeality reduces economic growth. in light of those facts supporting a socialist is completely logical.

yeah look at me guys i believe free healthcare and college is actually going to be free woo vote bernout 2016!!11

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