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babypolis posted:the imf proved that redistribution has no negative effects on the economy, but inequeality reduces economic growth. Link!>???!!>!?!!!
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a cop posted:Link!>???!!>!?!!! here you go friend https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/sdn/2014/sdn1402.pdf i lied about them proving it because a single study doesnt prove a theory, and its actually a very contentious issue, as you can imagine
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Feb 15, 2016 19:13
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If supply of labor goes down, wages will tend to go up due to scarcity. This is why labor unions work, and why many fields require a certificate/license of some kind to practice in (artificially limit the labor pool).
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Feb 15, 2016 19:15
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Immortan posted:This is because you're stupid & an ideologue. I think it's because to think otherwise would require him to question liberal dogma.
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Feb 15, 2016 19:20
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T r a v i s posted:I think it's because to think otherwise would require him to question liberal dogma. we all have our own biases, dont try to pretend you are any better. political beliefs are mostly emotional with a bunch of rationalizations thrown in afterwards. at least i have some evidence and theory to back up my rationalizations
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Feb 15, 2016 19:28
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The fact that you think that only one side of the immigration debate has evidence and theory kind of proves my point.
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Feb 15, 2016 19:32
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T r a v i s posted:The fact that you think that only one side of the immigration debate has evidence and theory kind of proves my point. i never said that though, i said it was not a clear cut, which implies the exact opposite, and i agreed with and accepted your objections. i was talking about myself, personally. i respect your right to prefer the evidence that proves you right, so dont disparage me from doing the same
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Feb 15, 2016 19:47
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I'm not ideologically opposed to any possible solution; that would be the liberals who cry racism about anything that might undermine their assumption that America bears more responsibility for the rest of the world than its own citizens.
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Feb 15, 2016 19:51
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T r a v i s posted:I'm not ideologically opposed to any possible solution; that would be the liberals who cry racism about anything that might undermine their assumption that America bears more responsibility for the rest of the world than its own citizens. so then why prefer trump over anybody else.
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Feb 15, 2016 20:02
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You got a better idea? Free stuff for everyone isn't a better idea, by the way.
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Feb 15, 2016 20:13
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I dunno, Cruz sure does have great plans and Rubio is charismatic enough to make me swoon while on the debate floor but.. These are Fourteen words I can live by~
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Feb 15, 2016 20:20
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i can't believe there are people broke brain enough to look at social programs in other less wealthy nations and cry "free stuff!" as if it's never been done before and impractical
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Feb 15, 2016 20:30
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So what was the point of the press conference? I missed it.
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Feb 15, 2016 20:39
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stoutfish posted:i can't believe there are people broke brain enough to look at social programs in other less wealthy nations and cry "free stuff!" as if it's never been done before and impractical Who do you think is going to pay for "free" healthcare and higher education?
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Feb 15, 2016 21:11
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T r a v i s posted:Who do you think is going to pay for "free" healthcare and higher education? we'll save money on healthcare compared to our current system and free tuition comes from a tax on wall-street speculation? are you retarded? in fact those two things will be a massive boost to the effective net-worth of the american people, so it's better than free.
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Feb 15, 2016 21:13
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T r a v i s posted:Who do you think is going to pay for "free" healthcare and higher education? you are. give me your lunch money, nerd, so I can use it on food stamps and BMWs
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Feb 15, 2016 21:14
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but i know you're a spiteful piece of poo poo who would gladly trade away those things so you can kick undesirables out of the country.
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Feb 15, 2016 21:14
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stoutfish posted:but i know you're a spiteful piece of poo poo who would gladly trade away those things so you can kick undesirables out of the country. I want to kick undesirables out of the country and single payer healthcare and free tuition.
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Feb 15, 2016 21:16
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The Saurus posted:I want to kick undesirables out of the country and single payer healthcare and free tuition. thats hard....
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Feb 15, 2016 21:16
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The Saurus posted:I want to kick undesirables out of the country and single payer healthcare and free tuition. you have to choose one or the other. only in your idiotic fever dreams are both possible with trump
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Feb 15, 2016 21:23
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i'd liked to be linked trump's plans for healthcare and higher education
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Feb 15, 2016 21:25
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stoutfish posted:we'll save money on healthcare compared to our current system and free tuition comes from a tax on wall-street speculation? are you retarded? in fact those two things will be a massive boost to the effective net-worth of the american people, so it's better than free. Hahahaha
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Feb 15, 2016 21:29
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T r a v i s posted:You got a better idea? Free stuff for everyone isn't a better idea, by the way. It's not free stuff though and it never has been, it's stuff that's collectively paid for by everyone for taxes, which enormously drives down the cost of securing that stuff and increases efficiency, similar to buying in bulk but writ large for the entire country if, hypothetically, the idea of money was abolished (extremely unrealistic, but put that aside for a moment here), the "cost" of production/services would be the materials needed for it, the work done to create it, the time put aside to do it, the education and healthcare needed for competent workers, and the logistics to distribute it. anything beyond these basic ideas (and I'm sure I'm forgetting a couple essentials, but bear in mind the basic thrust here) raising the costs is inefficiency or graft, or both being able to collectivize paying for something that a society views as necessary significantly helps reduce inefficiency and/or graft* and gets us closer to the true cost of that something. because the act of paying your taxes and the act of receiving the benefits of social programs or nationalized production are often long temporally separated, many people think they get the latter for free when that's far from the case *: of course you get into the problem of entrenched bureaucracy and government inefficiency, but speaking as someone who's worked in both public and private sectors, the various American governments might be bad at times about waste, but private businesses are a hundred times worse and they're not subject to public scrutiny or votes
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Feb 15, 2016 21:31
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babypolis posted:you have to choose one or the other. only in your idiotic fever dreams are both possible with trump I'd rather have the healthcare and educaton hence my support for Bernie but since Shillary isn't promising any of that, I can support Trump over Shillary for the wall and hardline on illegal immigration with no loss on my part.
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Feb 15, 2016 21:35
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T r a v i s posted:Hahahaha ah i see, you've never had a critical thought in your life.
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Feb 15, 2016 21:36
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Dude with a Guy Fawkes user pic: "Bernie's gonna make the 1% pay my student loans! Yeah!"
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Feb 15, 2016 21:39
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T r a v i s posted:Dude with a Guy Fawkes user pic: "Bernie's gonna make the 1% pay my student loans! Yeah!" it's on a chicken styrofoam tray
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Feb 15, 2016 21:40
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stoutfish posted:it's on a chicken styrofoam tray that person's gonna catch some nasty diseases
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Feb 15, 2016 21:48
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babypolis posted:it will shrink the economy and reduce wages in most sectors If we shrink people, food and houses will be big
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watwat posted:TRUMP! 
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Feb 15, 2016 22:24
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T r a v i s posted:Who do you think is going to pay for "free" healthcare and higher education? people buying t-bills probably
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Feb 15, 2016 22:47
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Zas posted:people buying t-bills probably If by "people buying t-bills" you mean "the middle and working classes" then I agree. I guarantee you that Wall Street has already figured out how to pass the check in the unlikely event that Bernie is elected and gets these programs instituted. Getting back to Trump's proposal for immigration, liberals need it to be racist because otherwise there is no reason not to try it, and they are scared that it will actually improve the economy and expose the fact that they have been pushing amnesty just to get more voters, cheap labor, and to assuage their white guilt despite the cost to American citizens.
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Feb 15, 2016 22:59
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everyone in the world rich and poor buys US debt, not just the middle and working class.
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Feb 15, 2016 23:03
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T r a v i s posted:If by "people buying t-bills" you mean "the middle and working classes" then I agree. I guarantee you that Wall Street has already figured out how to pass the check in the unlikely event that Bernie is elected and gets these programs instituted. yeah no reason not to try you know except for the millions of people who will be displaced you are just as scummy and sleazy as the man in your avatar
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Feb 15, 2016 23:12
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I feel like its our responsibility to mexico to secure the border, the cartels are destroying their country due to our dependence on illegal drugs.
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Feb 15, 2016 23:17
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babypolis posted:yeah no reason not to try you know except for the millions of people who will be displaced Cry me a river for the people who know what the law is and broke it anyway.
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Feb 15, 2016 23:22
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T r a v i s posted:Cry me a river for the people who know what the law is and broke it anyway. yeah i will because im actually capable of empathy for othes, while you are clearly just a really lovely person. my goondolences for your broke rear end brain
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Feb 15, 2016 23:25
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T r a v i s posted:If by "people buying t-bills" you mean "the middle and working classes" then I agree. I guarantee you that Wall Street has already figured out how to pass the check in the unlikely event that Bernie is elected and gets these programs instituted. what if i just think national borders are loving stupid
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Feb 15, 2016 23:25
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babypolis posted:yeah i will because im actually capable of empathy for othes, while you are clearly just a really lovely person. my goondolences for your broke rear end brain Weird, you don't seem capable of being empathetic to the American working class.
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T r a v i s posted:Weird, you don't seem capable of being empathetic to the American working class. you seriously argue just as badly as ted cruz. its uncanny
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