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DaNzA posted:i actually have a pretty lax definition of terrible and for me it means that you literally can not get any calls or data through even though you have full or 5 bars of signal phones gently caress up on the beach because the ocean fucks up the signals and it's a very large network design problem to try to solve for a given area you don't know what you're talking about in your stupid rants about cellular service
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mishaq posted:verizon was the only network that worked reliably during katrina also landing the onstar contract paid for their initial build-out and its approximately infinity times cheaper to upgrade existing towers from Ng to N+1g than to build out new towers
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pram posted:my dad works at the spectrum factory well obviously
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Feb 23, 2016 17:26
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Beeftweeter posted:lte is more than fast enough for 99% of whatever if you don't live in a garbage area isnt cell network latency mostly limited by your proximity to the tower?
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Feb 23, 2016 17:32
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mishaq posted:fairpoint 
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mishaq posted:from when i first heard about this poo poo and saw their "demo" it's vaporware as gently caress the guy behind it also did OnLive, WebTV and QuickTIme stuff at Apple before that. it's my hunch that he loves making people skeptical. OnLive got a bunch of press from people saying it was fake. i feel like they're trying to get that "suspicion hype" going again by having these thrown-together demos. but rest assured there is investment and experience behind it.
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Feb 23, 2016 18:01
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i have at&t and i live across the street from a 3000 capacity music venue and yeah sometimes i get dropped calls when there's a show going on
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Feb 23, 2016 18:09
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PleasureKevin posted:the guy behind it also did OnLive, WebTV and QuickTIme stuff at Apple before that. when i think of a list of successful products i think onlive, webtv, and quicktime
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Feb 23, 2016 18:19
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Panty Saluter posted:isnt cell network latency mostly limited by your proximity to the tower? no, there's a whole bunch of things that introduce latency for packet data in cellular connections data + mobility is very complex one of the biggest things LTE changes is treating everything (voice, data) the same unlike all previously technologies
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Bloody posted:when i think of a list of successful products i think onlive, webtv, and quicktime
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Feb 23, 2016 18:37
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PleasureKevin posted:the guy behind it also did OnLive, WebTV and QuickTIme stuff at Apple before that. it's vaporware
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Feb 23, 2016 18:38
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mishaq posted:no, there's a whole bunch of things that introduce latency for packet data in cellular connections im guessing error checking slows it quite a bit i guess vop thru air is still like 75% of light in a vacuum so not huge
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i'm honestly surprised anyone cares about call drops/quality any more because virtually nobody uses smartphones to make actual phone calls a lot of people actively discourage others from calling in favor of texting
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i literally hate phone calls ityool2016 primarily because call quality is 10% of what it was ityool1996
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Bloody posted:i literally hate phone calls ityool2016 primarily because call quality is 10% of what it was ityool1996 You need to get on Tmobile the best network where call clarity is Actually Good
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Bloody posted:when i think of a list of successful products i think onlive, webtv, and quicktime WebTV was bought by microsoft for $500 million. it actually lasted as MSN TV until 2013 (with tech support available until 2014). i know this because i know someone in support and apparently it was used by old people. onlive was the first video game streaming service and lasted 5 years. however it was run terribly by Perlman (Artemis guy) and could have done a lot better. he tried to get exclusive games, and even though he got them, he flipped out over Gaikai having demos of those exclusive games (which were just to sell physical copies of games, not streaming ones) so he dropped their exclusive games lol. also they used way too much rendering power for things like menus, which were amazing, but wasteful. the other thing is, he didn't set a marketing budget at OnLive. why? i think because he's like donald trump in that he thinks he can manipulate the media into giving him press for free. at the time OnLive seemed unbelievable, so there was lots of press saying it was actually impossible. but this was akin to a headline saying "new service is unbelievable!" same strategy here. mishaq posted:it's vaporware that is likely what Artemis wants you to think.
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PleasureKevin posted:that is likely what Artemis wants you to think. put your vc money where your mouth is
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The Puppet Master posted:put your vc money where your mouth is they don't need investors, they need partners to deploy and test the tech. they most likely have all the money they need through Rearden.
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Bloody posted:when i think of a list of successful products i think onlive, webtv, and quicktime lol how can one dude fail so hard
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Shaggar posted:lol how can one dude fail so hard he says, without irony
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mishaq posted:phones gently caress up on the beach because the ocean fucks up the signals and it's a very large network design problem to try to solve for a given area but could that also cause connection time out or dead service even when it shows I'm having 4-5 bars of lte but with a known crowd nearby? I even checked the frequency band on the phone showing that I was on Verizon's 700mhz lte band 13 and that's when the connection dies occasionally it would hop onto Verizon's aws band/band 4 and everything would work again but only with like 1 bar of band 4 signal, then it drops to band 13 again with good signal but no service again this wasn't at the beach and was just in the city, maybe it's like what you said that there are more multipath propagation with buildings and the longer reaching 700mhz band just made it worse? but how would you mitigate that without building more towers or not trying to cover a ton of people with one site? DaNzA fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Feb 23, 2016 |
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Valeyard posted:UK operator known as EE has 4G, Double Speed 4G and 4G+. Which of those last two is faster? Who knows trick question, the fastest thing is the bill increase letters
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5g is texting your bff who is in the same room as you 5g is +1ing a beyonce instagram 5g is netflix and chill 5g is different for everyone, what does 5g mean to you?
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b h m posted:5g is texting your bff who is in the same room as you 5g is an unobtainable sum of money
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5g varies from extremely uncomfortable to deadly, depending on the vector
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5g fucktard
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Bloody posted:also landing the onstar contract paid for their initial build-out and its approximately infinity times cheaper to upgrade existing towers from Ng to N+1g than to build out new towers yeah I was about to say if 5g does save on towers, it'll probably be one of the faster upgrades rolled out they'll probably find a way to charge you extra for it too
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pram posted:5g fucktard
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Panty Saluter posted:im guessing error checking slows it quite a bit it's not like you go directly from the network equipment at the base of a cell phone tower directly out to the Internet, there's a bunch of poo poo in between in the core network your IP sessions in anchored at a specific router because the network has to deal with the fact that you're moving pre-lte the communication within the cellular core network wasn't IP, so all your data traffic was getting encapsulated data connections in the 3G world all process through radio access network controllers, because the base stations are really dumb LTE changes all that, 100% of the radio network decisions and control is at each tower, and it's IP from the tower all throughout the core
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DaNzA posted:thanks for that and that's good to know why are you checking what band your phone is currently using that means you're either running your iPhone in diagnostics mode so you've got a severe case of the 'tism, or you're doing some android fuckery so you've got a fatal case of 'tism induced poverty even i never do that and i deal with telecom for a living
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mishaq posted:phones gently caress up on the beach because the ocean fucks up the signals and it's a very large network design problem to try to solve for a given area when i was in miami beach last month my phone on AT&T had great service while my gf's on t-mo didn't work at all
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Panty Saluter posted:isnt cell network latency mostly limited by your proximity to the tower? yeah but it's still rare for me to have more than ~60 ms to a fast server
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i am aware of my cellphone ping times
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Bloody posted:i am aware of my cellphone ping times my autism demands i speedtest my connection whenever i'm bored in a new area
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i have ever even considered speed testing my cellphone
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this new 5g fucktard thread is nice i like it
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Beeftweeter posted:my autism demands i speedtest my connection whenever i'm bored in a new area same!!!
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Panty Saluter posted:same!!! one weird thing i noticed is that i think t-mobile might exempt the speedtest.net app because it uses like 200 mb of data on lte and my cap for them is 250 mb (its their free tablet plan). then again other poo poo doesn't seem to change the meter that's built in on ios (under "manage account") so idk
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mishaq posted:why are you checking what band your phone is currently using so I check the band out of curiosity and it shows band 13, and toggling the airplane mode lets the phone get onto band 4 and everything goes through again but the phone only shows one to two bars of signal eventually it automatically switches back to band 13 with great signal but everything are timing out again every loving time
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